everything actually important is already metric

Ayo the car thing is absolute bullshit.

10mm bolt for the fuckin brake caliper but 3/8 for the fuckin slide bolts?

Get the fuck outta here

GM has been using all metric for years now.
Don't know what car you're driving but I think you're just using the wrong size wrench/Allen key
- My last car was a 2012 ford fiesta. The lug nuts are 19mm. The caliper bolts were 10mm and the slide bolts were 3/8.
  
  The car before that was a 2001 cavalier. Not only did it have metric and standard bolts but the slide bolts were fuckin Allen heads.
  
  Like literally why?
I especially hate the T series bolts

Don't forget the most important US measurements of them all: 5.56, 7.62, 9, etc.

.308

Oh wait....
- .308 is 7.62, civilian measurement vs military (there's actually implications related to pressures, sidewall thicknesses, machining tolerances, but yeah same same)
- pls explain 🙂

Also, the imperial system is defined through the metric system.

In using imperial, you're just using metric with extra steps.

No Python without C
- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jython
- My goto phrase when I want to troll people: "The creators of python called it that because they wanted a name that started with P, as a nod to its predecessor, Perl."
  
  It's not exactly Ken M level, but post that anywhere and the amount of angry futile typing can faintly be heard around the world as other geeks start fuming.
- Everything is just C with extra steps.
The Imperial system is not defined though the metric system, the US Customary system is.
- Your statement is incorrect
  
  Since the Weights and Measures Act 1985, British law defines base imperial units in terms of their metric equivalent.
  
  Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_units

In the UK, weed is measured in authentic receding British imperial units where an ounce weighs one less gram every year.

Hah, nice

The army uses metric almost exclusively. It’s where I learned it.

Yep. One "klick" is one km.
- I think the main problem US people have with metric is their aversion to anything that has more than two syllables.
Except in electronics. Everything is still .1 inch headers. We invented too many electronics and it’s stuck now.
- It is also annoying that the electronics industry prefers the term “mil” for 1 thousands of an inch. Why not use “thou” like machinist use?
- Not all of it though. Like JST plugs, barrel connectors, breadboard pin spacing, etc.

talking to my european friends
talking to my african friends
talking to my asian friends
talking to my south american friends
talking to my north american friends (exceptions apply)
talking to my oceanian friends
talking to my antarctican friends

Alright friend-haver, no need to flex that hard on us
- bro measured stuff with his friends
- hypothetically
talking to my antarctican friends

Gotta go to !linuxmemes@lemmy.world for that.
- Quote from article(translated)
  
  Few years ago I've seen post on Pikabu, which was recruitement of sysadmins and penguins flippers.
talking to my north american friends (exceptions apply)

As a Canadian, boy do they ever
- pool
Are you sure about Antarctica? I wouldn't be surprised if emperor penguins measured distance in feet and flippers.

My favorite fuckery is when Europeans see shit like 25.4mm, 27.2mm or 31.8mm and it's because of imperial bullshit

Not to mention that every single food product has metric measurements on the label as well.

Pisses me off so much that we don't standardize that in Canada, they still show $/lbs as the main price advertised but the item is weighted in kg with the $/kg written in a smaller font.
That's ok, your animal welfare standards are so shockingly horrific, you can't export any food anyway 😂
- Oh, man, you got us!
  
  Wait. I'm being told that the US is the largest exporter of agricultural goods in the world, exporting 20% of its agricultural production.

Last panel should be the entire US Customary System, which is literally just a rescaling of the SI ("metric" system) units. US Customary is derived directly from SI.

I think most people are aware

When I was young I lived in Puerto Rico for a few years (1980's). Milk was sold in either one litre cartons or one gallon jugs. Distances in road signs and road markers were in kilometers but speed was in miles per hour. Fuel was sold in litres but fuel usage is in miles per gallon.

I believe Canada and the UK do similarly.
- Milk yes, car distance no, fuel usage no
  
  Km and L/100km are used in Canada.
Seems like a good way to become proficient in both so that you're more adaptable.
- Nah. People just talked distances in fuel tank fractions, fuel dollars or travel time. For example, "how far is the mall?", 'about a quarter tank'. Or "how far is San Juan?", '$5 will get you there'. Or " how far is Rio Grande" ' about ten minutes that way'.
The US sells beverages in 2 liter bottles and milk in gallon jugs. Also any food packaging shows the weight of contents in both standard and metric.

Bicycle parts entered the chat

The entirety of the American scientific research community, which happens to be the most productive research community in the world, slides in with a wink 😉
- I thought, you were saying that the USA is still researching how to build one of these "bicycles". 🙃
Oh fuck the bicycle world for that, as much as I like working on my bike, it's a fucking pain to figure out the size of parts!
- At least in this case it's not America's but Britain's fault. I primarily blame the small arms industry in Birmingham! :)

I literally learned lessons on metric in public school

You didn't have even liter of milk before school?
- I did not

You forgot measuring bullets.

Bullets are a weird, dumb one. Yes, kind of. But also: .308, .303, .30-06, .50 BMG .30-30, .45-70, .38, .32, .44, .45, .50AE. Then nonsensically basically all "30 calibre" are the same diameter, which is exactly not quite .3 of an inch. Most of those are calibrated by the metric system (as many imperial measurements are today), but the terminology exists in the imperial system.

And then there's fuckin gauges for shotguns smh.
- Everyone uses guage descriptor for shotgun bores. It's been around longer than the metric system. And it's doubtful it will ever change.

The whole world uses both for various things. Even the countries that "officially" use metric. Specific global industries still use imperial. Canadian and British people are perhaps the most famous for combining the two, but most of Europe also mixes things in here and there.

And of course the whole conversation is Euro-centric and ignores the historical use of traditional measurement systems in Africa and Asia, but somehow that never gets brought up.

Yeah TVs/screens for example are typically in inches anywhere I've seen. There might also be the metric listed.
- They are indeed usually in inches but that’s probably bleeding back to Europe from the US. And most people don’t actually know how much that would be in metric. It’s sometimes listed but no one I know actually uses those numbers. We just know that 65 is bigger than 55, etc. If we want to know if it fits in our living rooms, then we look at the actual size in cm. I also couldn’t think of anything else that’s imperial, at least here in Germany.
- Rims are also commonly referred to in inches, at least in germany. But just as with screen sizes, it's 50/50 with cm, the latter being more useful especially with screens.
- It makes sense as an Inch is a good measurement for that. You aren't going to use mm or meters
but most of Europe also mixes things in here and there.

I hate calories and horsepowers

Let's not forget that the Apollo space program used SI units at every step, except for displaying it to the astronauts.

And that a very expensive probe crashed into mars instead of landing because NASA used metric for all measurements but one contractor didn’t get the memo.
- Not NASA, but a subcontractor (Lockheed??).
NASA is also really funny and uses millimeters as their base unit for everything.
Have you ever done physics with non SI units? It is terrible and causes mistakes

What are you talking about with the weed? It's sold in pounds, ounces, quarter ounces and "half quarters" which is as ridiculously un-metric as it gets.

We used to just call that an eighth.
- Yes, but a metric eighth.
- Gosh, I wonder how many grams there are in a quarter ounce?
My theory on this is we use the imperial weights when describing the size in relation to the jail time associated with getting caught with it and then switch to metric for personal use.
- I guess because no one buys 20 pounds of weed, but 20 grams is just fine...
Sold in grams for small amounts, then back to Imperial for larger amounts.
- I don't think I've seen a gram for sale since legalization. I see pre-rolls and half-quarters. Weighed in grams but packaged in imperial.
Should have bullet measurements instead

not to mention, the imperial system is just the metric system in disguise. An inch is defined as 25.4mm, and not by some universal constant, like a proper measuring system.

Which sports use metric in the US? Gridiron football uses yards, auto racing uses miles, baseball uses feet, etc. The only sports I can think of that use metric are track and swimming, and those aren't as popular outside of Olympics time.

Afaik every American high school has a track program, and yeah every event is measured in meters
Funnily enough most high school swimming pools are 25 yards rather than meters.

I was just in the states and I didn't think the budtender understood grams so I was careful not to use that language lol

Not until you're talking pounds of it. What would you even ask for? A tablespoon?
This is hilarious. What did you ask for?
- An amount of ounces probably
- Quarter ounce
I imagine a US bartender would know what a gram is but there's basically nothing in there you'd ask for in grams, or by weight in general.
- I don't think budtender was a typo

Yeah, but you still have work tool measurements in 5/8, 7/32, and 13/64 or whatever the fuck dumbass measurements.

I say this as an American that hates the way tools use measurments here.

Depends what kind of work you do, mechanics work in metric only, construction is in Imperial...
- Mechanics work in metric mostly. You still come across some imperial sizes occasionally. Though recently that's been getting standardized a lot better.
I specifically prefer woodworking in fractional inches. I've had this argument on Lemmy before and it basically goes:

"But inches bad! Metric good! Fractions bad! Powers of ten good!"

"I mean yeah okay but I nearly never have to divide by ten in the wood shop, I do have to divide by two or three or four, and since we mill stock to finished dimensions that are usually 3/2*x inches, most commonly 3/4" or 3/2" it's trivial to do. Cutting mortise one third the board's width in 3/4" stock ends up being exactly 1/4" wide. Easy. The metric world usually mills boards to 19mm, which is pretty close to 3/4" so it's suitable for the same applications. Show me the line on a metric tape measure that indicates one third of 19mm."

"But Americans use inches so it must be dumb and bad!"

I use metric for quite a lot of things, I learned chemistry and physics in metric in school, I vastly prefer doing mechanical and engineering things in metric. I learned carpentry (structure building) in inches but I could cope with metric there, I learned how to fly in mostly US customary units (distances in nautical miles, speeds in nautical miles per hour aka knots, altitude and runway lengths in feet, pressures in PSI, temperature in °C) I could cope with different units there. I'm not giving up inches in the furniture shop though, because working in fractions works to well.

But yeah the faster we can erase fractional inch wrenches from the world the better. "What's one size louder than 3/4?" "Ah shit 6/8...12/16, plus 1...13/16."
- Except there's an easy way to mark thirds: if you have a, let's say, 27 cm wide board you take the measuring by skewing a little the tape and measuring 30 cm. You mark 10 cm and 20 cm and there you have it: a third of the wide. You don't even need the precise measure. If you have something with proportional marks you just use it and you get a third no matter the width. It's like a center finder but with thirds (or fourths or...)

Like many strains, weed is a hybrid situation

I got 40-90 C down pretty well monitoring my PC temps in that I know more of what it should read in C compared to F.

Weed to uses a mix in Canada

You buy grams until it reaches the point where you've bought an ounce and then you go up to buying a half pound or a pound...

Makes no fucking sense.
- then you go up to buying a half pound or a pound
  
  good, strong flex there.

fucking go to space

There was that one time where a NASA mission was ruined because they used the wrong units
- Mars climate orbiter.
- There was that one time QC failed you mean.
The Apollo Guidance Computer did all computations in metric and then converted them to display in Standard units for the benefit of the astronauts.

As a European: How many ounces do you need to buy for a joint?

1/427th of a football field's area's worth of powdered sugar, with a depth of 1/2 inch.
- Densly packed ?
The weight of approximately one paper clip
≈ 1/14
- dude no way you're rolling 2g joints 😂

Soda bottles larger than 20 ounces...

Some of us are comfortable going both ways.

But don't tell anybody because I live in Texas.

Funnily enough, I'm in a metric company and buy my weed in imperial

Wine and other liquor bottles too. Go check that sticker, I guarantee you it's measured in milliliters.

I use a mix

Europeans literally see no irony in throwing shade at Americans for hanging onto their traditional measurement system, while also speaking 27 different languages in the span of a few hundred miles.

Maybe come down off your high horse until you get that situation sorted, eh? >.>

Edit: Oops, I thought it would be safe to make a joke a in a meme thread.

Being colonised be the English does that to your native languages

Source: am Irish
well, language is culture, and we all know how cultured the states are.
Whenever I post something on the internet, I do so in English, since that's a language most people on this world speak. I'd love it if Americans did the same with measurements when writing down recipes on the internet. I'm sorry for this offensive opinion.

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Als ge liever wilt, kan ik het ook in het Nederlands doen. Op het internet spreek ik over het algemeen Engels, aangezien dat een taal is die nagenoeg iedereen spreekt. Ik zou het vree tof vinden als Amerikanen dat ook zouden doen met maten en gewichten in hun recepten. Sorry om zo kort van antwoord te zijn.

as an European, MPH seens better.

Ok, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Why?