Non-binary

There are also only two different animals: elephants and non-elephants.
- Anything unrelated to elephants is irrelephant.
  
  This comment needs way more approval
- I think you are mistaken actually the different types of animal are frogs and not frogs
  
  There are bullfrogs and elephant bulls, so we can conclude that {🐸}∩{🐘}⊂{🐂}
  
  Your both wrong there are crabs and then there are crabs 🦀🦀🦀🦀
  
  Crabs and not yet crabs.
- Are these elephants in the room right now?
  
  As a non-elephant in the room I feel overlooked
  
  The elephants exist in a state of being in the room and not being in the room
- You either are crabs or have crabs
  
  Holy crab
- There are elephants, non-elephants, and undetermined elephants.
  This comment was made by the intuitionistic and/or fuzzy logic gang.

Technically the existance of non-binaries also makes the binaries no longer binaries (due to increased optionality), so it would be fair to say everyone is non-binary
- Good point!
- And when everyone is non-binary, no one is 😔
  
  That's not how that works. If there isn't a binary (because there isn't just 2 options) then this would be a non-binary system and so everyone would be non-binary.
- Was looking for this comment. Thank you.

What up my hexadecimals
- That's just like Hangul, but for computer numbers.
  Once you're quite good at reading hexadecimals, you no longer need to look up binary, though you still need decimal-hexadecimal conversion, which is slower.

There are only 2 numbers
0/1
all the other numbers
- All the other numbers can be written wit 0/1
  
  Counterpoint: Floating-point inaccuracies.
  
  All numbers can be written with |
- You joke but in astronomy there are only three elements. Hydrogen, helium, and metal. Which is just every other element together in one group.
- 1 is the loneliest
- Define "all the other numbers". Do we include only natural numbers? Or all instegers? Or even rational numbers? Do we include imaginary numbers? How about complex numbers? Orbetter go for quaternions?
  
  Define "all the other numbers
  If its a number and it isn't exactly 0 or 1.

Feel like there's a Set Theory issue with this but I barely understand what little I can remember about it.
- Does the gender of all non-self-containing genders contain itself? This is the fundamental question of gender theory.
  
  No, it's only Russell's question.
- A bit can have two states: true or false. Additionally, the bit can be disabled altogether (null).

Whatever, just wash your hands.
- And don't talk to me. I'd rather be surrounded by twelve "women" (i.e. trans men) in the men's room (or even just women) than one cis guy who insists on having a conversation with me.
  I'm not there to make friends.
  
  Never understood this. Standing at a urinal and someone walks up and starts talking to me, like no dude shut up

- There are non-binary people who still believe genders can suit others, and even be played with as forms of role play ...and there are also examples of null states, such as nullos and asexuals...
  ...so non-binary doesn't necessarily make a new binary if they still believe gender is fine for others, or as a role play.
  A better way to think about it might be as a gender spectrum or quadratic continuum of varied characteristics and overlapping body forms and sexual preferences/behaviour.
  ...queer.
  
  Asexuality isn't a gender. We’re just not attracted to people of any gender. Our gender identity is separate.
- To be fair, it calls then categories, not genders

What if I’m naan binary (preferably garlic)?
- when peshwari exists?
  
  I’m peshwari-curious.
  
  No...Keema is the right choice

"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice"

If there already exists "a binary" then that says there are 2 states. "Non-binary" only means there are not-two-states. This could be unary (there is one kind of thing), trinary (there are now 3 things, the old 2 and new, secret 3rd thing), or really any n-ary set of n distinctly numbered things, so long as there aren't only exactly 2 of them.
- “Non-binary” only means there are not-two-states.
  The state of having two states and the state of not-having-two-states is itself a two-state solution.
  Unfortunately, once you rule out non-binary as a third state, you collapse back into the original binary state. Thus, non-binary exists as a quantum superposition between states, as we fluctuate between whether or not being non-binary is politically correct.
  
  But can a two-state solution really work?
  
  But nobody is in the state of having two states, though. People range from being in one state to "it's complicated", but how would you be in exactly two states?
- I want to upvote the OP for presenting an interesting discussion but downvote them for being wrong. This presents a case for a non-binary voting option.
  A singular like button would still only express one portion of my sentiment. A third option could be many things, none are sufficient: a none or 0 or neutral option is effectively not voting, a sideways arrow or maybe state, or mixed state would express indecision or indeterminism rather than mixed feelings.
  Therefore, I propose that a second positive-negative axis is required. The addition of these "sideways" arrows allow expressing 2 kinds of sentiment: towards the post content, and towards the poster themselves. I will not specify whether left or right is positive nor will i clarify which axis (x or y) corresponds to which kind of sentiment. I'm sure this undefined behavior will cause no problems.
  Here is your composite vote in the new system: ↖️
  
  The choice between a traditional up-down vote and a new non-up-down vote must have been a tough one.
- I'm considering identifying as unary now. God only made one gender and "male and female" are mental illnesses caused by the original sin 😔
  
  One world, one gender, one love 💗
  
  God cloned Adam to make Eve, thus we all are the same gender. Wake up sheeple!

Ok then, noninteger.

Nono you misunderstand. It's not "non-binary".
I'm calling myself enby, which is short for ein bisschen gay.

Reminds me of the: everything is either a duck or not a duck
- You'd think so, and yet...
  
  Platypussoe ruin SO many assumptions, such as
  mammals don't lay eggs
  mammals aren't venomous
  mammals don't have beaks/bills
  beavers can't interbreed with ducks
  a deity created the world and deities don't get drunk
  
  that platypus look, hmm

Genders in the Dutch language: common and neuter
- Those are grammatical genders, which are a different thing.
  
  Right
  
  They really should be called genres or noun class as outside of Europe they really aren't tied to gender and can have way more different cases than just two or three.
- We've actually got 3 genders, but outside Flanders, people don't seem to know the distinction anymore. The darn Dutch ruined Dutch!
  
  Stupid sexy Flanders
  
  I had no idea this was another thing Flanders did differently than the Netherlands (and pretty much every other "Netherlandophone" area)
  
  "You Dutch sure are a contentious people"
- Genders in the Russian language: "actually, we are families"
  
  In Russia; you don't gender yourself, Russian genders you.
  
  The gender is there but I said it so fast you can't tell the difference anyway so let's just call it a short form
  -russian
  
  "We don't need articles, but we have a fuck ton of grammatical genders"
  Says the same country that also fears non-binary gender identities, that's actually kinda ironic

One day aliens are going to meet us and wonder what happened in our evolution that made us biased towards seeing every noun in groups of two, except for rules of nouns which are in groups of three.
- I need examples or I don't understand.
  
  Male-female, darkness-light, plant-animal, ying-yang, mind-body, earth-heaven, spiritual-physical, prime-composite, even-odd
  3 laws of motion, thermo, robotics, of dielect, and Trinity assignment.
  Something strange about us that it is easier to think of opposites but following 3 rules.

Math.round(gender);
- Error: Math.round() failed - 'gender' is not a single value but a multi-dimensional spectrum! Use Math.matrixRound() instead, where each value is rounded individually. Note: Rounding 'gender' to a single value is deprecated and not supported in modern libraries.

"Troll logic" is one of my favorite memes.
Exactly like being hit by lightning at any instant has a 50% risk because either it happens or it doesn't.
- What if you half die
- Yes, but the probabilities (for the lightning) are not independent. So, while everyday there is a 50% chance to be hit be lightning, it's the same outcome every day. If you didn't get hit by lightning yesterday, you probably won't today either.

I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
- That's so sad to me. From my POV being non-binary isn't aggressive. It's just that there are more important things to worry about than gender.
  
  I think it's just the term. "Binary" isn't exactly neutral as it can imply narrow minded. Also labelling non-X imply that everyone else is X which often includes too many people that are kind of in the middle / doesn't really care.
- .
  
  I'm not sure what you are trying to say
  They are asking you... You are asking them...
  Where did this come from? Why am I grouped into some kind of hater group suddenly?
  Language has changed ... silly to start a movement to rollback english to 1724
  Ya and I was commenting on how I don't like the choose of word in this specific change. Why not use better words when you start to describe something new?
  In addition, many were mutilated as newborns
  This sounds like a horror story. What?
- I always think there is a we vs them vibe in the non-binary thing which is kind of toxic
  I dunno if there is much "we" inside the non-binary community. Like Non-binary is an umbrella term that encapsulates everything from a both/neither/almost but not quite binary/gender fluid betwixt multiple states/people who identify as trans non-binary, people who identify as non-trans non-binary/ cultural third genders/ political gender activists /DID people with alters that swap... There's a lot of different concepts and sometimes contradictory needs there.
  Like people tend to just group non-binary people into a third category and don't really ask questions of individuals what their actual deal is. I blew a friend's mind recently when he introduced his enbyfriend to me and while we were out on a walk I asked "Apart from the umbrella non-binary term how do you conceptualize yourself?" because he had never thought to ask that question of either of us.

My pronouns are infinite/recursion

That'd effectively be a nested binary system

Male, Female, and a Secret Third Thing
- Ah, a comment to test mods' susceptibility
- Neuchacho
- More like Man, Woman and 60 plus different other categories even good sports in the first two categories don't tend to be bothered to learn about.
  It's not that it's secret it's that if you don't ask for specifics we assume you don't care, don't know there are specifics or you really just don't want to know.
  Us Enbyfolk respecting that you probably don't need to be burdened with actual specifics or interpreting that knowledge as being additional social pressure is us being polite.

actually, technically it would be a trinary system, if we're looking at it like a spectrum, and if we're looking at it like a spectrum, i think it's funnier to conceive of it like a circle. Or to get the point across, like those political alignment charts.
- i think it’s funnier to conceive of it like a circle.
  Unfortunately, conception is only possible when combining certain parts of that circle.
  
  it can only make a full circle, when all parts are put together, therefore problem solved.
- All they did was to add another bit. From 1 to 10
  
  depending on how you classify it that;s certainly an option

Pretty basic math and semantic error here by excluding the original reason “binary” meant 2 types.
- But according to the joke it still does represent two types: Binary and nonbinary. Which itself is a binary set of choices, albeit a different one.
  
  There is indeed inherent dichotomy in the post
  
  Yeah, of course it does. In the strictest interpretation devoid of context.

When I see that kind of argument, I think of tri-state logic gates.
Those gates can be in 3 states High, Low, and Hi-Z.
If we look at non-binary people from that angle they must be in the Hi-Z state.

We all live in a state of quantum flux.
- You don't know whether you're male or female, unless you look into the mirror, or somebody observes you?
  Edit: That checks out, actually. I forget my gender all the time that I'm not thinking about it.

Fuck Aristotel
- Fuck him yourself coward
  
  If only I was a dog
- I love when people say they hate Hippocrates on social media
  
  You could've said that it's Zena's paradox

binary: {0,1}, non-binary: [0,1]
- OP: {binary, non-binary}
  
  binary ⊂ non-binary

it's like you're damned if you do, damned if you do.
Try trinary.

anything's a binary tree if you're brave enough

- Well, you started in the middle of a conversation, so I'm afraid it does not. Haha.
  
  So anyway, then I says to Maybel, I says.. what was I saying again?

At its simplest definition, this creates a ternary.

My binary system doesn’t enforce gender roles so everyone fits within it

I literally had my account on Reddit banned for saying that non-binary is discriminatory to hermaphrodites.
- Actually I think you got banned for having freezer temp IQ
  
  Pretty impressive actually to have a negative IQ.
- ..but it's not? and I thought the term intersex was preferred
- How do you figure that? Also "hermaphrodite" is not the accurate term - that would refer to an organism which creates both gametes, which humans never do, even intersex ones.
- Probably because "hermaphrodite" is considered a slur to intersex people.
  Also intersex and non-binary are not remotely the same thing. Some Intersex people are non-binary but a lot of them have binary identities. It's a different axis.
- No, that's just quantum gender mechanics.

It's always hilarious and frustrating when people who don't understand a topic try to disprove it. This is the same energy as flat earthers pointing to the horizon and going "See!?!" or anti-vaxxers pointing out people who still get sick.
Anyone who thinks this logic is compelling should actually crack a book. I'd recommend Judith butlers gender trouble, but this sort of meme is peak dunning kruger. Literally too ignorant of a topic to actually argue against it.
- Sir, this is a shitpost.
- I think it reads like a joke made by a nonbinary person
- It's always hilarious when people take jokes as if they're literal
- Wow you are stupid, aren't you? It's called a joke and not a debate.

- I'm kind of autistic and this whole premise flies in the face of set theory. I think this might be a joke, but I can't be sure.

- Thanks for the confession :D

Transphobia on lemmy with 400 upvotes.. this website is getting worse every day
- It's pretty obviously a dumb joke.
  Even if it was completely serious, it just becomes a dumb statement. Its just showing how everything can be reworded to be presented as a binary choice like this. It doesn't actually say anything bad about people for identifying any sort of way.
  For example, there are a lot of species birds, but they can all be described by the binary choices of: Is Crow, or Not Crow. Still, its very obvious to anyone with a brain that it's not the most helpful way to classify things.
- How, exactly, is this transphobic?
  
  The same way everyone is a fascist, or racist, or a bigot, or whatever else. Other people's feelings will decide what you are, and you'll like it.
- I'm really curious how you see this as transphobic.
  
  Something something hammer...
  Something something nail.
- i think the person represented in the op is just being a goofball and not actually transphobic
- other people are trying to disprove you about the post content and maybe they are right
  but you are absolutely correct about the site getting worse. i reported multiple transphobic comments under this post and elsewhere in the past day. so maybe the post isn’t transphobic but it is giving a place to spew hateful rot