7mo ago

Windows 10 EOL PSA

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- Or OpenSUSE Tumbleweed
  
  Huge respect for not putting Ubuntu

is this real? windows 10 literally came out yesterday
- Remember when W10 was going to be the last windows you'd ever need.
  
  Yes, it’s the last version of Windows I’ll ever need.
  
  To be fair, that is entirely accurate. It is the last windows I will ever need because I switched to linux.
  
  On released they didn't know yet how far they can push that telemetry shit down their users' throats. I bet, 11 is better optimized for that. And eventually, it'll be Win365 OSaaS anyway...
  
  I've never tried 10. 8 was all I needed to switch.
  
  It was a pinky promise.
  
  It is.. for me
- in 2015
- It honestly still feels like Windows 11 has only been out for a year

But what's an ᗋR𝖢ꔠ?
- You just summoned a demon
  
  No I think it's a daemon they summoned. Maybe the notification daemon?
  
  Btw
- Arc# is what happens when Microsoft copies it.
- Intel ARC grapHics cards?

70% of the market. Half of those computers can't even run windows 11. Good to see Microsoft taking charge in the fight against the environment by asking tens of millions of people to throw away their perfectly good computers and buy new ones
- I can't wait for some new bargain Linux machines.
- For real. I'm genuinely trying to grasp why. Is it seriously just so they can require secure boot and then say Windows 11 is secure from ransomware even though that's a feature of the motherboard and not the OS?
  
  They have added so much ad stuff and other garbage that the OS is slowing down, to combat the user perception that the OS is slow they have increased the hardware requirement.
  
  The home-user PC market has been hit HARD by smartphones and tablets. Suburban families no longer have a desktop in a home office plus a laptop for each member of the family. They may have a laptop, and it's probably a Mac.
  This decision is too make people buy new devices or upgrade to an OS that has a lot more tracking built in.
  Microsoft is pressing AI and other data-scraping tech hard, but they're necessarily going to have to have enterprise and government licenses that allow admins to block those features for legal and security reasons.
  So they desperately need new home users they can data-mine.
  
  Windows 10 can't take screenshots at will...
  That they will admit, at least.

So...
Windows 10: the "last" windows version
Release Windows 11, requires specific hardware that you can't realistically add to your existing PC. But Windows 10 will keep being updated
Windows 10 is not getting anymore updates
Love it, no notes.
- To be fair, my understanding is the "10 is the last version" idea came from a developer speaking in an unofficial capacity and the media ran with it. It may have never been true.
  
  While that is technically true, Microsoft didn't really make any effort to correct the misunderstanding, despite it being a widely reported story in tech.
  I suspect they had a legitimate faction that was going to say "rolling release" and so they let it go.
  
  It was definitely an official capacity because it was a Microsoft conference, but his phrasing was more like "latest" even though he said last. I think they misspoke.
  
  You can use a win10 key for win11 and vice versa, so you could just see it as an update if it wasn't for the tpm requirement

Windows 10 LTSC 2021 edition has support until January 13th 2032.
I'd obviously prefer if more people gave Linux a try but if you're literally forced to use Windows then it's probably your best option right now.
- If my Nvidia graphics card played nicely, I would.
  It's my #1 complaint with Linux... Well Nvidia.
  
  Progress in that regard is actually pretty rampant lately, I can imagine by the time Windows 10 is EOL it will be no different from AMD.
  
  Installed Linux alongside windows 10. Cachy OS specific with drivers 555 running Wayland without any issues :)
  
  Which card do you possess?
  
  Not sure what you have, what your trying to do, and am pretty new to Linux myself, but I’m running KDE neon with a 3070, and after a little work to get drivers updated I’ve had minimal issues!
  I’m not doing anything too crazy though, mostly web browsing and gaming is all.
  
  What card you using? I have a RTX 3080 and it's worked fine on Endeavour/KDE (besides Wayland)

Let's be honest, real nerds use Gentoo
- Better start compiling now so its ready by October
  
  I started my Gentoo compile in 2008. It should be ready by next October.
  
  Old news, gentoo has binary packages as an option
- a good starter distro but ideally you should make your own from scratch so you know what's in it
  
  Honestly you're not a real one until you've written your own kernel entirely
  
  Linux has a good starter kernel but ideally you should
- (I wish I was that advanced, maybe some day.)
- Weird way to spell NixOS.
- Not really any harder then Arch if you know about how linux systems work and didn't just copy paste or script your entire arch installation.

Linux mint cinnamon but cool cool

I like how they end support for OS without providing an upgrade for a lot of people. Might as well put a Linux ad in their "Your PC is not supported" bullshit.
- They even have a guide on how to install Linux: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/linux/install
  
  "Bare Metal Linux". I like it!
- My laptop which is still perfectly usable doesn't have support for 11. Im probably gonna switch to mint or popos but I know lots of ppl that dont have new laptops and they just fucked? And there are tons of end users that just have no desire to learn some of the intricacies of linux even if it is something mostly simple like mint. They're gonna have to support security updates when they see the adoption numbers. Just like they had to do with 7 till they basically got to 10.
  
  Now now, let's keep honest here. They did provide option to install Win 11 on unsupported hardware. It's just slightly hidden, prolly to avoid people bricking their pc's an blaming MS. And also it won't update.

All these gaming anti-cheats better become Linux compatible cause I'm definitely not upgrading to 11
- Anti cheat is about the only thing that doesn't work but I see that as a bonus. Anti cheat is more like a virus than it ever has been with the rootkit thing.
- If enough people switch then they’ll be forced to support it
  Unfortunately users tend to have a “once they support a platform I’m not on then I’ll swap” mentality
- EAC and Battleye both can work with Proton, the developers just need to set it up. Those two cover most of the gaming anticheat market. Battleye should be as simple as the dev telling Battleye to turn on Proton support and EAC should be an SDK upgrade.
  It's all relatively easy to support Linux, people just need to pressure developers to make it happen.

All jokes aside, after hearing that EOL is coming to Win10 this October, I have decided over the summer, before fall quarter is in and I'm back to start my 2nd year of college, that I would definitely be taking everything I need/want off of my desktop and switch to something like mint or MX because of how simple and user friendly they've been to me as someone who's only been using Linux for maybe 2-3 years. Only things I would I need are dedicated time and personal drive to pull that off and a new external drive for storing all my files.
- Next October.
  
  I've got selective sight, I guess.
  
  For me "next" October and "this" October are the same, lol
  The next October I see is in 2024…
  Maybe I am strange, but i‘d say October next year to avoid misunderstandings

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- ¯(ツ)_/¯
  
  \ you dropped this

Hell my win10 pc hasnt had an update since '21 so no great loss
- That computer better be air gapped. Security updates are essential.
  
  i know you guys are probably right when you say that security updates are important, but why exactly? give me an example of how i could be fucked over while i’m just mindlessly playing my steam games and watching twitch+youtube on a system that hasn’t been updated since 2016.
  i blindly assume that as long as i don’t download and run stupid .exes or click stupid links, i am completely fine
  
  For web browsing, that almost makes no difference. As long as the browser is being updated, the most important attack vectors are closed. Even if there are any exploitable vulnerabilities on the OS, that will stop malware from even getting to them.
  
  It has no internet connection, so no

But see if they started using gentoo like myself. If they start compileing now They will have a full desktop by then

I run mint btw

Debian + KDE Plasma
- But I want Plasma 6…
  
  Fair. In that case I’d recommend openSUSE.
  I try to avoid things with Red Hat or Canonical stink on it (which is why Kubuntu and Fedora are out)… and it’s more friendly than something more barebones like Arch.
  
  Debian sid?
- ~~Debian~~ Arch + KDE Plasma

I'm to dumb for ARCH, and I find default Fedora and Ubuntu very annoying (although I haven't tried them in a while). I did have a good experience with mint several years ago. What distros should I consider?
- Mint has became Linux 7 IMO. It just works.
- Mint is still basically mint from several years ago. Having tried a dizzying array of them it continues to be easy and hated on because it doesn't involve text based configing your life away. That said, because it lags behind compared to other distros in updating the kernel, the thing that makes new hardware work, it can have a hard time with things made recently. Try the edge ISO, which has a newer kernel. The team is working on more frequent updates, Wayland (a thing you ideally never have to ever know what it is), and just delivers a comfortable desktop experience since I first screwed up my computers with Linux in 2007.
  
  Is LMDE easy tok? Snaps scare me. (I have Nvidia 30xx btw.)
- Fedora is really nice now
  
  Fedora is too stable and boring, same as Debian and Opensuse, Ubuntu is just ugly
  
  Fedora is too stable and boring, same as Debian and Opensuse, Ubuntu is just ugly
- Linux Mint, Pop!_OS and ZorinOS are pretty nice for new users. If you want to get a little more advanced, maybe check out something like Fedora Atomic (e.g. Kinoite, Silverblue) or Universal Blue (Bazzite, Aurora, Bluefin). Arch isn't actually that hard, they have an installation script that makes everything super easy (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8YE1LlTxfMQ), or you could watch a video on how to install it manually (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JYIAaLrwcY, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YC7NMbl4goo)
  
  currently trying to move my mom to linux because she hates windows spyware (especially with co-pilot), will be trying zorin and mint with her.
  unrelated but is libreoffice calc good for basic excel stuff? she isnt doing anything very very complex on it, but if something breaks i do NOT want to install windows and go through that whole thing again. (i do not use libreoffice calc, just writer and sometimes draw for pdfs)
  
  Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
  https://www.piped.video/watch?v=8YE1LlTxfMQ
  https://www.piped.video/watch?v=_JYIAaLrwcY
  https://www.piped.video/watch?v=YC7NMbl4goo
  Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
  I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
- How about PopOS?
- I am running EndeavourOS which is arch wrapped in an installer and easy updater oneliner to update all your system and AUR packages. Still do have to interact with pacman and yay to install most things but really gives you a leg up to get started.
- Fedora is great, if you don't like the default UI (I am a GNOME hater btw) you can easily try out one of the Fedora Spins with a different desktop environment while keeping Fedora's stability and features. I recommend Fedora KDE for faster machines and Fedora Cinnamon for older machines or people that want something that's snappier.
- Zorin if you want a simple to use system, or with a different learning curve OpenSUSE if you want GUI configuration for everything that would be CLI based in another distro. YAST2-GUI GTK has everything covered from setting up services, tweaking kernel, to adding users, altering hardware setup, GUI package selections and snapshots for rollback if you accidentally wreck your system.
- Mint. Try them all out here: https://distrosea.com free, no downloading.
- Debian

Fedora (͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

From which program did you edit this? Which brush?
- Wdym?
  
  Gimp or krita or what?

Is this for real? They're already quitting support for win10? Ain't no fucking way I'm going to win11 so Linux it is I guess.
- Bro linux is SO FUCKING GOOD nowadays, you're going to love it. Debian, Arch, whatever its all gravy

shoving down mandatory AI down everyone's throats I see? Probably part of a behind the scenes push by government or sth since they will be tracking and recording everything going forwards. I can even see people crying "But think of the AI!"
- skynet

Can I use Video Editing programs like Vegas on Linux?
- Like Vegas? Sure. Open source stuff like kdenlive and shotcut exists. Davinci resolve is available for Linux for more professional stuff. Specifically Vegas? Probably only under a VM, and you’d likely get awful performance, so not worth it. If you’re a professional, Linux isn’t always an option, especially if you are in a software ecosystem that doesn’t work there
  
  Worth noting that the free version of Davinci Resolve doesn't support H.264/H.265 under Linux. You will need to use another format or pay for the full version. ($295)
  
  Vegas apparently works in Wine/Proton
- KDEnlive is useful for inline video editing, and Davinci Resolve is more of a pro level tool. I have no idea about Vegas.
  
  Vegas apparently works in Wine/Proton
- Vegas work under proton
- Yes, using the Wine translation layer.

What would be The Linux that works for most windows games and majority of enterprise corporate software? Or a linux version that can get older warez windows software to work, like Photoshop CS 6 and the like?
- popOS just because they have an installer that includes nvidia drivers out of the box.
  
  I second this. Works almost flawlessly out of the box (I had to install another version of the Nvidia driver from the pop shop because my 3080 didn't like the 470 version but other than that I had no issues, except with some games that require a kernel level anticheat)
  
  1Ooh that sounds nice, because I have an Nvidia card.
  
  Mint also does, no?
  
  Installing pop os on my desktop failed.
- Mint.
- Garuda Linux Gaming Edition is another option if you can get over the teenage "Dr4gonized" theme. I'd recommend it over PopOS because it's basically Arch with everything you need for a smooth transition from Windows pre-installed. PopOS is Ubuntu-based.
  
  Garuda has been great to me. Changing the universal theme in KDE is a really painless process, too.