As conservatives put religion in schools, Satanists want in, too
As conservatives put religion in schools, Satanists want in, too
The Satanic Temple is known for trolling the religious right, but in its fight for religious pluralism, it's become a powerful foe.
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Gotta love the Satanists. They're fighting the good fight.
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And best of all, they’re not even satanists. They just call themselves an edgy name
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Yep! "What do you call someome who believes in a literal Satan?" .. "Christian."
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Though ironically, they do appreciate one of the "evils" pushed by the biblical serpent: "seeking and valuing knowledge", which is considered the original sin (as opposed to, say, the first murder, which happened not long after).
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That's not strictly true. They don't worship Satan, or even believe in "him" as an entity or being, but it's more than just getting under the skim of the churchians. They anthropomorphize the concept of Satan the archetype and learn from the philosophy of such a being as described.
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I'm not for any religious discrimination.
They should all be worshipped privately and have no governmental supporting.
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These people are not actual religious worshippers though. This is activism. There’s a difference between the two groups
Edit: here’s some additional information, should you be interested - https://thesatanictemple.com/pages/faq
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That's why the
Church of SatanSatanic Temple is trying this, they know it will cause outrage and people will be far more likely to ban all religion from schools than allow satanism.
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the Temple [...] named a telehealth abortion clinic after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s mom.
This is a beautifully poetic insult and I love it.
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That’s my religious organization! Proud to be a regular donor. Highly recommend everyone joins and donates, they’re truly doing great work
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I'm Christian, but have given them money.
Separating church and state makes better government AND better churches.
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Good on you. It's always refreshing to hear from Christian folks who have a strong enough moral compass to steer away from (let alone actively support direct opponents of) some of the more zealous or bigoted views which unfortunately seem to be growing stronger in the Christian community as of late.
I say this from the outside looking in, as I've never been associated with any church myself, so this viewpoint of mine may just be the result of an increasingly active vocal minority.
But I'm very curious to hear your experience as someone within the community; have you yourself seen growth in these types of zealous or bigoted views in the past several years within the Christian Community? Things like stronger, more vocal, or even unwavering support of anti-abortion or anti-LGBTQ laws/practices?
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For real. I’m not religious but about the only to make people dislike waking up early on Sunday to go to church more is associating with Congress.
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For a moment I thought you were going to say "doing God's work"
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I was going to say doing Satan’s work, but we’re actually nontheists
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Please consider donating to the Satanic Temple if you can. They're doing important work fighting Christian Nationalism.
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For those out there who only read headlines, the short of it is that many Satanists are rarely actually worshipers of Satan like a deity, many of them are just proactive atheists who have adopted the most abhorrent religious identity possible to Christians to provide necessary pushback against attempts at making the USA a Christian nation.
The same people who scream relentlessly about supporting the constitution for issues like gun control, seem just fine with abandoning the 1st amendment's Establishment Clause and the Free Exercise Clauses. So Satanists are forcing Christians to declare their choices out loud. If you're going to say the law should allow religion to be part of government, then you have to be fine with all religions being involved, OR you have to admit that you don't respect the USA's founding principles and documents. You can't have it both ways.
There is not so much Satanism being promoted here as much as a spotlight on hypocrisy and I'm all in for it.
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We don't worship Satan because mythological supernatural creatures simply don't exist.
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I really like the efforts to help against these horrible fat right policies and showing the double standards. But calling yourself a satanist when you actually don’t worship satan is just lame.
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Satanist don't actually want in, they want religion out
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Correction, they want equal religious rights for everyone
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correction: They only want in when other religions also want it.
Basically, they're the US military if the US military was like "hey wouldn't it be funny if we trolled them instead of bombing three hospitals?"
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I'm a Satanist and affiliated with neither CoS or TST. The leadership of TST are not good people. One of them tried to make himself the god of a cargo cult and the other has a history of making racist, antisemitic and ablist statements. He also owned a website about eugenics until 2018.
That video I linked to is long but it is very well sourced and I hope might give you a bit more insight into who you're supporting if you choose to join or donate to them. There's a lot of comments under the video from ex-TST members, including Ministers and Chapter Heads who've been badly burnt by TST.
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Sorry to ask, but could someone summarize the video? Cannot watch it rn, and will probably forget later.
That said, all organizations face this kind of “what’s the orgs vision or character” challenge. Thats why good leadership is important. Sometimes it’s best to cut loses and reorganize, and also market how you’re different now.
Supporting eugenics in any form is unconscionable, but people make mistakes and can grow from them. There are examples of KKK members who became activists in other direction, and we shouldn’t lock people in to their past bad decisions. I encourage the idea of “reformed racists”.
As asinine as I think the idea of “Satan” is in general, I see value in contenders and challengers to established religious authorities. As a rule, we should remove religion from policy making.
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Honestly, that feels impossible - there's just so much there's no way to summarise it neatly. And it goes way, way beyond just the racism eugenics, antisemitism etc. There's the way TST are using the law as a weapon, the numerous comments about how women are treated the higher up the org you get. I really don't know how to summarise it all.
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Up voting for linking to Dead Domain. It's a good video with a lot of time taken to go over the various issues. Certainly doesn't cover absolutely everything, but does a good job showing why TST ends up being more marketing than actual good.
A less problematic Satanist org fighting the good fight would be nice
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No Christian person has ever been a racist, but all of them are part of a cult though.
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As someone who recently completed work on an 8 and a half tall demon statue in his living room, I approve.
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Good. Hail Satan and teach kids about all religions or none.
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FUCK YEAH!!! PRAISE SATAN!!!!
Fair is fair right? Or let me guess, not like that?
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Not like that. It's HAIL SATAN
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Lol, ty
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"'Freedom' of religion!"
"No wait, not like that!!!" -
And Pastafarians?
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As a Satanist, I absolutely think schools should welcome your bountiful deity with open arms, so long as they feel it's important to discuss religion in school. Preferably, we should leave that kind of personal discussion at home. That being said, I think people could really benefit from learning about "The seven I would really rather you didn'ts."
Ra'men.
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mmm pasta
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Don't really need the Satanists. Just tell conservatives that anything they want to mandate that is Christian can also/ will be done for Muslims. Notice how the war on Chirstmas always heats up around the time Ramadan coincides with it?
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
When conservative lawmakers in Florida and Texas won the fight to allow religious chaplains in public schools, they swung open the door to ministers from other faiths — including the Satanic Temple.
It offered the Hellions Academy as an alternative to Christian studies during school hours and named a telehealth abortion clinic after Supreme Court Justice Samuel Alito’s mom.
The proposals, which vary slightly, would have chaplains of various denominations serve in similar capacities as school counselors, in some cases with on-campus offices or salaries paid for by the districts.
A federal court sided with the Temple in a legal challenge last year, and there are currently seven clubs nationwide, where children make arts and crafts, learn about animals and do science experiments.
One of the Temple’s first actions was to perform a “pink mass” in which gay couples made out over the grave of the mother of Fred Phelps, founder of the homophobic Westboro Baptist Church, and declared her a lesbian.
The Temple has protested corporal punishment of children and sued states to argue that abortion restrictions violate their religious rights.“It is a poignant way of pushing the idea of what these governments really care about,” said Jay Wexler, a Boston University law professor who studies church-and-state issues.
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One of the Temple’s first actions was to perform a “pink mass” in which gay couples made out over the grave of the mother of Fred Phelps, founder of the homophobic Westboro Baptist Church, and declared her a lesbian.
This is delicious.
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That Baphomet statue is totally awesome!
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This is the way. We need a religion to rally around to push a left agenda the way the right does. They want to twist the constitution by manipulating their beliefs to their agenda, so can we.
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The Satanic Temple doesn't not worship Satan. It even says so in the article. They are not "satanists".
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based satanic temple.
Fuck church of satan, apparently TST leader/s is/are a somewhat shitty person? IDK, haven't looked, don't care, the temple collectively is still pretty based though.
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Satan was introduced to test Job, and then Job's suffering is justified by the Lord's omnipotence, not omniscience or omnipresence. This is the argument laid out in the Bible as to why one should fear God. Did Job have to curse God for Satan to make his point?
Satan Allowed to Test Job
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “From where have you come?” Satan answered the Lord and said, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.” 8 And the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job, that there is none like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, who fears God and turns away from evil?” 9 Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “Does Job fear God for no reason? 10 Have you not put a hedge around him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. 11 But stretch out your hand and touch all that he has, and he will curse you to your face.” 12 And the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your hand. Only against him do not stretch out your hand.” So Satan went out from the presence of the Lord.
42 Job replied to the Lord:
2 “I know that you can do anything and nothing that you plan is impossible. 3 You asked, ‘Who is this that darkens counsel without knowledge?’ Well now, I have talked about what I don’t understand— awesome things beyond me that I don’t know. 4 Listen now, and I will speak for myself; I’ll interrogate you and then inform me. 5 I’ve heard you with my ears; and now I’ve seen you with my eyes. 6 As a result, I despise myself and repent in dust and ashes.”
