Federal judge indefinitely postpones Trump classified documents trial
Federal judge indefinitely postpones Trump classified documents trial
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Trump appointee Aileen Cannon indefinitely postpones Trump classified documents trial, but I hardly see why that’s relevant.
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And a particularly unqualified and ideological appointment, even by Trump standards.
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Idk trump standards are "do the opposite of what is good and right" so this seems right up the trump standards alley.
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He was given a list.
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Open corruption. Cool cool cool.
Maybe there should be, idk, consequences?
Let's ask the rich people who groomed and appointed her. Oh, no? Well okay then.
Off to the mltv store.
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We have the opportunity to vote for holding Trump accountable in November.... if anyone cares anymore.
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What a cool system where a judge openly breaks the law for the man whok appointed her and supreme court justices openly take bribes, and there are no consequences for either.
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Make sure you don't vote for Biden though, because of that one issue you suddenly care about.
Inb4 the standard myopic replies from .ml accounts
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It is also the lone issue that Repubs somehow aren't oppositional defiant disorder about. "Let's get the Muslim ban guy back in there, he'll save Palestine."
Turns out there are plenty of useful idiots who think they are insulated from the consequences of an election by campus security and daddy's money.
But then others of them know what they're up to. They want Donald to help speed the collapse so China can gain more ground. That's hypocrisy, those guys don't give a shit about human rights abuses as long as the nation committing them pretends to be socialist.
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I.e. russian trolls playing the "thoughtful liberal" telling a heartfelt story about how they cannot vote for Biden in good conscience because of this issue.
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Myopia is common in all computer users though?
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I like how you avoid saying what the issue is, because it sounds a lot worse when you say it's genocide. I think that's a fair line in the sand to draw for people. Hopefully Biden movies on that stance soon so we don't get Trump. We all better keep pushing him.
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Fire her. She’s compromised and a Trump appointee that should have been recused.
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How?
Wouldn’t she need to be to be impeached by the House? The house is controlled by the GOP. Even if a few republicans wanted to remove her, you would still need the GOP speaker to bring this to the floor.
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Fire her*
*Out of a cannon into the vaccuum of space.
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It'd be nice if we had retention elections for these judges. The executive branch nominates judges and the legislative confirms them, but I'd like to see a choice on my ballot every so many years after a judge has been installed asking whether that judge should stay in office or not.
Funny enough, Wikipedia mentions how scholars are opposed to retention elections because the judiciary is supposed to be the most removed from public opinion and introducing that would lead to special interest groups swaying outcomes and generally breeding corruption. The squeeze is that we're already seeing corruption in courts anyways because of the very branches that install judges in the first place. All you have to do is look at this article or the Supreme Court.
Now the real question would be if Supreme Court justices should be up for retention. That's a rabbit hole I'm not sure what the consequences would lead to. Seems like term limits are still appropriate.
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Couldn't the bar take her license away?
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Justice delayed is justice denied.
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That is the point, yes.
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Friendly reminder that Judge Aileen Cannon was a Trump appointee. So much for proving the critics wrong.
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And she's also wildly incompetent and biased, with this just being the latest in a long string of obvious moves to help him.
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And also wildly inexperienced and unqualified for the role when she was appointed, having had no actual trial experience at that point.
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So, no laws for the rich and they aren't even pretending.
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French paid attention
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As you get older, the internet remains the same cluster of ages. There are probably people on here twenty years younger than you.
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Yeah - my wealthy ex’s family bought him expensive lawyers, so he got to ignore multiple court orders during the divorce, while mine took $3k to do fuck all. “Justice” is contingent on being able to afford good lawyers.
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Listen, I've seen this in every thread. The judges are just being extra careful so they can make sure the case doesn't get thrown out because it's a highly sensitive subject.
Four years just wasn't enough time. You have to be patient about these things. Give us another Friedman Unit or two to settle things out.
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This is case with the trial judge he appointed himself, not the criminal trial on the hush money. The latter is being handled seriously.
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Not sure if sarcasm or not, but after following quite a few (yes, YouTube) lawyers on this subject, I think it's fair to say that a lot of it actually is that; Trump is a slippery bastard and getting him convicted is hard. last thing you want is to convict him, have fox news pull the "they made a mistake" cars, and actually be right. Once trump goes to jail, you better be sure he stays there.
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How many Scaramucci's is a Friedman Unit?
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Anybody know of any groups organizing a general strike? We are gonna have to stop the flow of money to these fucking vampires.
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Probably not quite what your looking for, but I literally just came across this article about a potential general strike in 4 years:
“UAW president Shawn Fain on May Day calls on unions to prepare for strike in 2028”
“We are fully preparing to strike on May Day 2028,” Shawn Fain wrote in a proposal on May Day, or International Workers Day.
Fain said it is the only way workers can “win universal healthcare and the right to retire with dignity.”
[In an op-ed (https://inthesetimes.com/article/may-day-2028-general-strike-working-class) for progressive publication In These Times, Fain said the union’s recent auto contracts were all aligned to expire on April 30, 2028. He called on other unions to do the same as way to mass power to “reshape the economy into one that works for the benefit of everyone.”
“They want us to believe that corporate bosses gave workers decent wages, benefits and safer working conditions out of the goodness of their hearts. That justice and equality for people of color, for immigrants, for women and for queer communities were gifts benevolently handed down from above,” Fain wrote.
“But we know the truth. Every law passed, every union formed and contract won—every improvement made at the workplace—has been won through the tireless sacrifice of the working class.”
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4 more YEARS from now??? Feels too little too late.
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Friendly reminder to vote for Biden this election. It's more important now than ever.
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Oh man.
After all this blue-ball edging and postponing I would so dearly love to see Biden win and then Trump all these stalled cases can get wrapped up.
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I'd prefer for the cases to get wrapped up before the election, but I'll settle for Biden winning and the delay tactics all becoming moot as Trump reaps what he sows.
It might actually become a motivational point for both sides in this election for Trump to either see justice or skirt by it.
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I honestly think if Biden wins a second term he might just stop giving a fuck and just begin abusing his power in a positive way.
That's my hope anyway. It'd be both a good thing if done well and hilarious.
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I will but, god, if I hold my nose any harder, I'll pinch it right off.
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Northern neighbor here, thank you. I don't want to see Trump back, but am also glad I don't have to vote in your elections. Not that I hate Biden, but your Democrats make our conservatives look like Communists..
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Ladies and gentlemen, the party of law and order. We know who will be selected as the new supreme court judge soon...
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Who’s the president right now? Wonder what he’s up to. Wonder if he’s fixing this. Wonder if he’s anything better than the capitalistic fascist of American conservatism.
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Republicans have the majority at the moment. A president isn't a dictator, though Trump is planning to become one.
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What would you suggest he do specifically?
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He doesn't have the majority needed to do all that needs to be done, otherwise he could've expanded SCOTUS already and reversed half the bullshit.
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You wonder if the president is "fixing this"?
How do you think this country works??
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Who’s the president right now?
Vladimir Putin, according to the memes.
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Where are all those people that said Cannon "wouldnt ruin her career" doing something like this after it was pointed out that Trump appointed her?
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Not even remotely surprising.
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The only surprising bit is that it took this long. I pretty much figured she would do that out of the gate.
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She had to let the clock run out a while first. Can't have this trial going on while he's president after all.
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By dragging it out this long, she made it impossible for Trump’s other cases in Georgia and DC to be scheduled.
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Judge Aileen Cannon has indefinitely postponed former President Donald Trump’s classified documents trial in Florida, citing significant issues around classified evidence that would need to be worked out before the federal criminal case goes to a jury.
In an order Tuesday, Cannon cancelled the May trial date and did not set a new date.
This is a developing story and will be updated.
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You know, it may be because it was a military court, but Chelsea Manning seemed like she got a reasonably speedy trial. Pre-trial hearing in April to sentencing in August? Plenty of classified documents in that one, too.
It's not like this is the first case in US history that's had classified material involved. Ridiculous.
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Cannon said in her new scheduling order that she will hold a hearing on what had been considered Trump’s longshot request for records from the Biden administration.
Cannon is going full clown mode.
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America loves its criminals. It bends over backward for them if they’re rich.
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No no no. This is just a very special exception to the Rules Based International Order we've always had.
Normally, America is very good about prosecuting plutocrats. But this time Russia stopped us. We just have to beat Russia. Only then can we prosecute Donald Trump.
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Gosh. Who saw THAT coming.
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Well, there's a shocker. But not to worry! He'll surely not get away with the next crime he commits.
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You gotta grab the courts by their judges, when your rich enough they let you do it.
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I was being pessimistic when I said he wouldn't be charged with squat if they run the Stormy Daniels case before, you know, ruling on the integrity of our highest office.
My father still remains hopeful "they'll get him like they got Al Capone" (on taxes), but I have a hard time seeing that through when he still has judges appointed by him, ruling on him. Oh and yeah we're not even going to approach his highest crimes because that would be disadvantageous to his campaign... give me a break ffs
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federal judge commits treason again
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What is needed is a writ of Mandemus. Smith can appeal to the 11th Circuit to get her replaced.
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This is the Latin police: it's "writ of mandamus" with an 'a.' First conjugation, indicative present, first person plural.
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"People called Romans, they go the house?"
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Won't matter trump is running out the clock.
Thank Merrick Garland.
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He is the epitome of allowing perfection to impede progress.
His work on the OKC bombings was the same way. The two of them were dead to rights, but Garland insisted on obtaining every piece of evidence humanly possible. The outcome was exactly the same.
He tried the same methodology here and it utterly failed.
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I’ll totally pay back those loans. I’m just indefinitely postponing when that’s going to happen.
BS just come out and say it. You’re not interested in trying the case.
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Judge: "So these documents contain a list of all active spies and informants in the Russian government? Maybe we can just wait for him to get sent to prison over the porn star stuff, rather then risk it."
Prosecutors: "Oh, there isn't any risk that the Russians will find out anything new. Why do you think he had the list?"
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Trump wins election
"We have scheduled the trial for the day after inauguration. No reason."
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We’re so fucked. If not now, this just opens the door to more in the future.
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The fuck
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Jack Smith's next move will be exciting. Will he get the case moved?
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removed been bought yall
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Anyway I wonder who Trump's gonna execute on day 1. I bet there's a list
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You're assuming Trump will win the election. He won't.
Jesus, why do people forget that Trump lost an election while being president and while trying to tamper with it? What makes you think he will win this time?
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Remember when people balked at Trump being president back in 2014/2015 and then were very surprised come 2016 when he won?
Don't underestimate Trump
Don't be complacent... complacency is what put him in the white house the first time
Peoples memories are short, the republican propaganda machine is huge, and trump didn't lose decisively enough to reflect the damage he did to the country
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Because his cronies at the state level have had 4 years to gerrymander and pass laws to allow themselves to cheat.
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LOL
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There is no Stalin on him
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Fuck Aileen Cannon.
This country is a fucking joke.
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After decades of Americans saving the world in movies I can now confidently say that they instead will just sit at home continuing their consumption until someone comes and shoots them like a dog. We jUsT NeeD tO VoTe HArdEr
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Or people just need to vote. Seriously. That’s the solution.
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For who? Democrats just idly sit around and get even older while republicans rape every single institution without consequences. They commited a fucking insurrection and nothing happened. Democrats had a majority for years and yet the american society and politics continue to be more fucked up. American democracy is just an illusion of freedom they allow you to have. Their two party system is the best proof for that. They will never allow you to change anything because the for profit government is working as they intended.
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Are folks going to show up here to scold us all for thinking he'll never see consequences like in every other discussion of a similar headline, or are we starting to move past that point?
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At this point, it’s really all we have left. Please don’t take that away too. Then we will have nothing left to help us cope with the ever-present sense of disappointment we’re living through.
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Fully irresponsible to not have "trump-appointed..." leading that headline for all the out of touch people seeing this for the first time.
Just federal judge, huh? No other relevant context to mention?
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Lol
[REDACTED] but of course you aren't allowed to say such things openly.
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I'm so close to violating Rule 1 of this community right now
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It's ridiculous, just let the FBI edit the evidence however they want so long as they get their convictions.
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Come again?
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There are allegations, and even a court filling from the prosecutor, that the boxes of evidence have not been maintained in original condition, and that evidence photos may have been staged by the FBI to appear more damming.
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The president can declassify documents. If biden cared about justice he should declassify all the documents at issue in this case.
You can't delay a case due to classification issues if the documents are no longer classified when the case goes to trial.
Simple solution. Make it happen.
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No, the President can't just declassify ANY document with the stroke of a pen. Extremely sensitive information, for example nuclear weapons technology, has to be subjected to bureaucratic review process to determine what can actually be declassified, or not.
But none of that is relevant to this situation, so it wouldn't solve it. Judge Cannon would simply generate additional reasons to delay the trial.
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If someone was going to jail for having those documents, making them available to the public might not be the best demonstration of why they needed to be kept secret.
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Unfortunately that depends on the contents of the classified documents, it could be anything from what did the president have for lunch one day to all the details one could ever want on the nation's nuclear weapon capabilities. Even if the president technically can declassify such documents, it is not a good idea to actually do so.
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The president can declassify documents.
There's a process only for certain documents. The president cannot declassify all documents.
You're making claims but you aren't providing anything to back that up. A bit unfortunate.
You can't delay a case due to classification issues if the documents are no longer classified
They are classified for a reason. Further, that'll destroy the case. I really urge you to read up on this. Plus avoid right wing media.
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If the case needs a jury to make decisions of fact, and the jury is not allowed to see the evidence, you have an unsolvable problem.
Declassification is a process that takes a known timeframe. It is something the executive branch can do, and because they know which documents they are releasing, they can prepare for the results.
Juries make their decisions on the facts of the case when the crime occurred. The documents were classified when trump had them. The future status of those documents does not change the facts of the case.
You are also making claims without evidence or anything to back them up.
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