Gnome's Adwaita team is breaking icon compatibility
Gnome's Adwaita team is breaking icon compatibility
How it shall look… # Linux & BSDs # Windows # macOS # State on Fedora 40 Workstation & XFCE Spin… # Screenshots taken from the GNOME bugtracker, copies to not stall their GitLab instance.
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Reading the bug report about all that ( https://gitlab.gnome.org/GNOME/adwaita-icon-theme/-/issues/288 ), it's crazy to see how the gnome dev (Red Hat employee) replies to the issue. He completely ignores the issue in the beginning, then that he doesn't care to follow the spec because it's "old", and yet, he still advertises to the OS as an fdo theme, so OSes ship with it. He's hurting non-gnome apps, and he simply doesn't seem to care about it. To me, this shows a person who simply doesn't care about ecosystem.
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I have defended Red Hat a fair bit over the past year. Their level of contribution to the community is a big reason why.
It is clear though that their prominence comes with a downside in the paternal and authoritative way that their employees present themselves. Design choices and priorities are made with an emphasis on what works for and what is required for Red Hat and the software they are going to ship. The impact on the wider community is not always considered and too often actively dismissed.
Even some of the Linux centrism perceived in Open Source may really be more about Red Hat. For example, GNOME insists on Systemd. Both projects are dominated by Red Hat. There have been problems with their stewardship of other projects.
To me, this is a much bigger problem than all the license hand-waving we saw before.
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Gnome uses systemd because it is easier and better. Why would you reinvent the wheel.
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If you look at every interaction with a Redhat developer in the context of them having KPIs / set work to do. The responses to non critical issues / MRs makes a lot more sense.
Not saying that it makes it any better tho.
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I was getting really pissed seeing that Pointieststick had to explain the same fucking thing OVER AND OVER again. I don't know if the gnome dev in question is stupid or just trolling.
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Gnome is the Mac of the Linux desktop world.
Nothing new here, Gnone losted the plot with Gnome 3.
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If it's sabotage, it would be kind of caring.
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Gnome devs being gnome devs.
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I really love GNOME but the developers keep doing shit like this and I don't get why. Their reasoning for why they won't allow custom accent colors and only predefined ones was also stupid and then they just said that if people keep asking for custom colors, they won't implement it at all.
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That's wild, flat out telling the community they're going to refuse to implement something if they want it enough to ask for it
I won't presume how easy or hard implementing that would be, but I have a hard time believing it would be so significant that this stance makes any sense at all
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The Macos of the Linux ecosystem.
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The reasoning for only allowing predefined colors was that, apparently, developers need to be able to test against every color and that Android's Material You is a total mess. I disagree with both of that, Material You seems to be working quite fine (I've also made apps myself) and I don't get what developers would need to test with accent colors. I couldn't voice my opinion tho cause then the whole thing would've been canned.
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I never really gave gnome a chance until I came across bluefin recently. I was pleasantly surprised but the lack of customizability always drives me away in the long run. Im not against opinionated design, their opinion on how things should be just seems to differ from my own.
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Breaking changes is what drove me to switch to KDE.
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I’ve had periods where I was switching back and forth, but your entire shell having breaking issues on every minor patch is unacceptable. If they’re also going to break other apps with that, i don’t know how i would recommend it
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If Linux is to go mainstream I feel like KDE needs to be the default Desktop experience on distros. The Windows-like style is what the majority of people recognize and are familiar with and the KDE developers seems to care a lot about their userbase.
New users already has a lot to deal with and learn when it comes it Linux. They don't need their desktop environment to work against them too.
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Gnome to Gnome users: Why are they constantly shooting themselves in the foot?
Gnome to a Xfce (me) or KDE user: hey y'all come quick they're doing something stupid again
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XFCE users looking around worriedly – can you please not mess with GTK? … please?
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so … um, I’ve been hearing nice things about LXQT lately?
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Gnome breaking shit for no reason as always =P
Seriously, this is as simple as keeping symbolic links for compatibility, but they won't do it because it maybe might possibly lead to issues.
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I can't believe they've been doing this since the very start of the Gnome project. I stopped using it long, long ago (1.1) when they dropped their nice and configurable WM for something you couldn't do anything with. Nice to see they haven't changed a bit.
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You summarised it nicely why gnome people frustrate me
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Gnome devs to Gnome users: get gnomed you gnomes
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I got gnomed
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As someone who much prefers gnome for my desktop this shit is so frustrating. I'm kinda just waiting and watching to see if they ruin another thing I like about it :(
Its fucking exhausting
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More closed and non-customizable systems are much more stable. I guess that's what GNOME devs are trying to achieve and I don't really mind it. We have other options for those who need customization. The most used and mainstream one really should be focused on stability. Though I don't think anyone tried breaking icons before. It's a bit too much. The app devs will need to make multiple icons for different DEs which is a good thing but shouldn't be forced like that
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The standards are supposed to be the stable thing. If some part of GNOME advertises itself as following a specific standard then it should remain stable in following that standard.
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Don't advertise the theme as standards compliant then.
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Ahh, the old "it's too difficult for us."
If the gnome devs are so incompetent, why don't they just get another job?
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I guess that's what GNOME devs are trying to achieve
They should strive for something like FLTK then, it has much smaller codebase.