'Horrific' violence at UCLA after counter-protesters attack pro-Palestinian camp

So let me make sure I understand your point: the pro-Palestinian protestors should have opened fire and killed the counter-protestors?

News Flash: it’s possible to want sensible gun control laws AND meaningful police reform. Most of us are capable of holding more the one thought in our head, capable of setting more than one goal, and that doesn’t make us idiots or hypocrites. Validating their violence with more violence would make us hypocrites (and idiots) and is not the only means of achieving our goals.

Edit: are you seriously suggesting that the protesters should be armed?! or is this just an attempt to muddy the waters by bringing up a conversation about gun control?

Guns being present would have only resulted in many MANY deaths. That’s what you want?

This is an uninstructive conversation. We do not need this sort of shit stirring about this topic because it is important.

Do not show up to a protest with a gun either alone or unannounced. Thats just Rittenhouse behaviour. Be a part of a militia or with some group, and contact the event organizers before arriving. They'll probably tell your group to wait in a near by location and to be called when needed.

Also getting beat up is the point of these protests. Columbia unreasonably responded with violence against their own students and faculty. It was a total blunder that they made habitually. Making them fascists drop their masks for everyone to see is the goal here.

Ask Mark Hughes about what happens when you show up armed to a protest.

What would have the police and the media done after that?

Michael Reinoehl killed a fash, then the police executed him in a suburban neighborhood. There's no scenario where a leftwing person kills a fascist in self defense and their police buddies say it was a good shooting.

zionists turned into genocidalists. it all starts with God.

I was sat down reading this and still ended up on the floor in pure shock.

"We're allowed to beat you if you question our genocide" is certainly a hell of a tagline

Lol, it's not my fault I'm beating you in the face. It's the school's fault I'm beating you in the face.

Or the police weren’t wearing their uniforms???

They sealed the deck with tar to prevent pesky protestors from leaking in.

Often I think, while smashing things and screaming "FUCK YOU OLD LADY!", that I must definitely be in the right.

These idiots couldn't answer a single fucking question about Israel or Palestine but the people protesting are "libs" and the brainwashing of "my tribe vs their tribe" appears to be as effective as ever

It's just plain old Fascism.

Etnic/nationalistic/cultural righteousness (aka nationalistic racism) is one of the foundational blocks of it along with violence.

Unlike Europe, Israel hasn't realy evolved in social and political terms from the kind of thinking so prevalent in the early XX century.

True, but being anti genocide, anti colonialism, and anti war often are. Just so happens that these ideas and Palestinian statehood are simpatico at the moment.

That’s when the police beat you.

If there aren’t regular right wingers beating protesters, the police step in and do it.

Hate is a strong motivator but it uses up too much fuel and burns itself out. To see it only as hate is a bit reductionist. You can only use hate to motivate yourself for so long.

Fear, envy, and uncertainty/fear of the future are much more longstanding motivators used to continue fascist creep.

Regardless, fascists align themselves with the state. The police often can’t get away with crushing protesters without suffering bad PR, and risking strengthening popular support when images of police brutality evoke memories of past brutalities.

Fascist vigilantes don’t care about PR, and they might get the support of the police (or they get the police’s non-support of their enemies) or even the government

Vigilante porn is too useful as propaganda. Americans, especially, love the imagery of a tough person who steps up and does "the right thing," where traditional tools of enforcement are weakened by corruption, incompetence, or policy. Doesn't matter if it's Dirty Harry, Batman, or some Christian Nationalist with a sharpened flagpole.

I see you

Charging sleeping people with baseball bats isn't normally considered a form of protest. Masked attackers would be a more neutral description.

"Fireworks and tear gas flew through the night sky as masked counter-protesters attempted to tear down barricades, and struck campers with sticks and bats."

That's counter protesting in your world?

The term that fits here is actually Terrorists.

It is indeed an effective strategy to distract the masses unfortunately. There is a real growth opportunity here for humanity if we are able to see it as clearly the established pattern is not serving society.

Ok but that is pretty fucking burried am I wrong?

I'm looking

Find me one rational argument about Israel and/or Palestine. Any one, from anywhere, at any time in history.

See that in itself is a perfect example because it's both a hasty generalization, and an ad hominem.

Ok wow. First, thanks to everyone who have their estimates. Appreciated. And for everyone else and the warriors of downvoting: No I was not trolling abd not it's not THAT unilkely for it to be lefties (yes okay anarchists and tankies I mostly said as exmples so you know what I'm trying to ask)

If you are interested: there is a german lefty flavor called Antideutsche (anti-german). They are Zionists, antifas, anticapitalist, have a thing for violence (stylizing "bomber harris" for example), say weird thing like "protecting ur environment is like protecting your 'home country' like nazis would" and sometimes think of whoever basically as if they were nazis.

I'm not making this up, lefties go weird ways sometimes.

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No, see response in other comment

Alt-Right just likes attacking leftwing protests. No actual political beliefs required. It's the physical version of owning the libs.

There were two attacks on different days, so it could be separate groups, but a Jewish professor who intervened said a lot of them were speaking Hebrew and one carried a Chabad flag.

Boo this man.

They first and foremost identify as violent shit bags and only representative of violent shit bags.