It seems like an inefficient setup

Law Enforcement should be a profession, just like doctors and nurses.
Formal education. Licensing with a college whose role is to protect the public. Malpractice insurance. Requirements to remain current, and eligible to practice.
- It is, in most of the civilized world anyways
  
  odd how the "civilized world" seems to have such low standards for civilization.
  
  I wouldn't necessarily call it civilized world, but yeah for basically every country that belongs to the so called "1st world" except the US it is and it takes a few years to become a police officer.
  
  Like where?
- You don't need to study to become a police officer in the US? OMFG! You have to study 1.5-2 years in the UK and then spend months in the field under supervision as an apprentice.
  
  The duration of the training in the Police Academy varies for the different agencies. It usually takes about 13 to 19 weeks on average but can last up to six months.
  https://golawenforcement.com/articles/how-long-does-it-take-to-become-a-police-officer/
  Up to six months... Yikes.
  In the software engineer industry, if you spent a year in a coding bootcamp, I still wouldn't trust you to know what you're doing.
  
  Sorta, kinda, depends on the jurisdiction. This is one of those things where you almost have to treat the US as 50 separate countries rather than one big one.
  There are 2 year associate degree programs for police. A full degree or masters also gets you better placement, like going plainclothes detective day one. Federal level, like FBI or Marshalls, generally require higher education. Average beat cops in some 'burb, though? May or may not require anything more than a High School degree or GED.
- You just described law enforcement in most first would nations.
  
  Ah, so not here in the US.
- Law enforcement shouldn’t be a profession.
  
  If you’re curious about the downvotes, I imagine it’s because you didn’t really state why you stand by your stance.
  As really it’s a pointless comment that adds nothing to the discussion.
- How would you feel about police making $200,000 {or more since they will need hazard pay} a year to drive around and or sit in a car. There is no way a city could afford to hire enough cops to patrol a city. Yes they should have to learn the laws they enforce and carry liability insurance but there is no way we should force them into doctor/nurse level education without equal pay.
  
  How much do you think nurses make?
  
  Why on earth would you assume 200k? I've seen a lot of misused rhetorical terms but this is a textbook strawman falicy.
  Police officers make anywhere from 43k to 63k based on a quick Google, getting massive pay bumps as they are promoted up to over 100k for police chiefs, not to mention hazard pay and usually amazing benefits. Nurses make 56k to 88k, also generally with really good benefits and a lot of overtime. It would only be a 10-20k pay bump and I would love that if it meant fewer cops with much more professional training.
  
  Teachers need a 4 year degree and a state license, and they don't get $200,000 or hazard pay.
  
  Meh, where I live police are paid a little bit over the median wage, and they have to get a bachelor's degree (~3 years) in law enforcement before they can work as a police.

A friend of mine is a prison guard, in Norway, and from what I recall him telling me, a solid 6 months (out of 2 years) of the education he took to become a guard was spent studying law. It's probably more comprehensive if you want to become a police officer.
- Yeah, it's always weird looking at all the ACAB messages when you live somewhere where cops actually have to have some form of education... It takes 3.5 years in school to become a cop around here and sure we still have issues with bad employees, but at the same level you would expect in any job...
  
  If your police system prioritizes protecting its own over serving the public, and you choose to join it anyway, then you are a bastard, so in that sense ACAB is true. The problem is that a lot of people have started using it to claim that all police, everywhere, in every system are bastards, and that just undermines the whole movement and ensures that we'll never have progress.
  
  Man it makes me sad to be here. I only see other, actually developed countries tackling shit at its root rather than nonstop bandaid fixes for everything.
  Always gonna be ask for forgiveness not permission in the US.
  
  But is it "any" job?

The setup is rigged so that you have to pay a lawyer to fix any issues.
- Rather, it's set up so that you can't afford to pay a lawyer and become a slave to the system.

I mean they're not wrong - I wouldn't expect every policeman out there to be Phoenix Wright, but at the very least they should actually have to learn the laws that they're supposed to be enforcing
- Can you stop resisting? Look at what you made them do!
- They don't even abide the existing laws and rights.
  "Let's try make this guy declare without a lawyer"
  
  Yeah, whenever I see videos where cops tell them that they are not cooperating when being silent after pleading the fifth, I get furious.
  You are NOT compelled to answer any questions until a lawyer is present. Not answering questions does not and in no way constitute being uncooperative. Cooperative simply means following lawful orders, so even refusing to follow unlawful orders is not obstruction, uncooperative or whatever excuse they want to put on you.
  Sadly, it's probably better to let the manchild have his power trip and complain about it afterwards. Prevents acute lead poisoning.

Police generally dont think the law should apply equally to themselves and civilians. That's most cops; a group within that thinks they should be able to create the law on-the-fly.
Should they go to school to be better at this? Irrelevant. They have a gun and the idealogical highground.
- I'd argue they also have technological high ground as well.
  
  Yup. By now I’m pretty sure all the federal warrantless wiretap stuff probably applies to local police as well. They’re like parents and we’re like the kids, and they have access to all our phone activity.

Fucking baffling to me how the most armed country in the world doesnt train their officers. German police tends to suck ass, but to become a policeman you have to study for 3 years. And you have to pass a lot of law exams.
- Where I live, the police are lazy but they are more trustworthy and are more community-oriented, unlike the American police.
  At first when I heard the ACAB slogan, I thought it was rather judgemental. All cops are bad? Then I learned that the American police are hired primarily on having low IQs and receive only few weeks of training. Now I understand why Americans hate them. Not all American cops are bad, but majority of them probably are. What can we expect from hiring low IQ folks with minimal training and arm them to the teeth? No wonder the American cops are memes themselves.
  
  ACAB as an actual term is a bit more ideological in nature, specifically, in regards to the task the police actually do, which is primarily protect the state and private property, no matter whether it's good or bad.
  If the state tells the police to disrupt a protest about climate change? Then that is their job, and if they don't do it, they're effectively not doing what they're supposed to.
  
  Here in the US, good cops don't last very long. They either die suspiciously or get bullied off the force.
  
  At first when I heard the ACAB slogan, I thought it was rather judgemental. All cops are bad? Then I learned that the American police are hired primarily on having low IQs and receive only few weeks of training. Now I understand why Americans hate them. Not all American cops are bad, but majority of them probably are. What can we expect from hiring low IQ folks with minimal training and arm them to the teeth? No wonder the American cops are memes themselves.
  And when they do get things wrong, they rarely get punished.
  The slogan probably wouldn't be quite as prominent if the police that made mistakes like that were held accountable.

I wonder what it would be like if passing the Bar was required to be a police officer. There would be way less police officers, that's for sure.
- Nah, there would probably be fewer.
  
  someone graduated from grammar nazi school with honors
  
  Both. Since native english speakers use both in a regular manner, both versions are correct.
- There would be almost none. If you are capable of being a lawyer and have the education to be one, you wouldn't choose to be a cop.
  
  Unless it pays well and you recognize the need for law enforcement on some level, and don't have to worry about the corrupt system because it's already been gutted by this change.
  
  Not true. There are quite a few cops with law degrees. It tends to get you right in the door at a higher level.
  Typical lawyer pay also isn't as good as you might think. There's a few partners at major firms who make bank, but they're sitting on a pile of kids a few years out of school and struggling to make their student loan payments. Pay varies wildly by practice, too. Want to get involved in civil rights organizations? That's great and all, but you're not going to be paid well.
  
  Why not? If you needed to pass the bar (or similar exam) and you had to complete police training we'd have to pay police a pretty good salary. They would be comparable with doctors in terms of qualifications and career investment.
- that would drastically reduce the numbers, a better alternative would be an easier exam with regular re-evaluations, so they keep updated on current regulations
  also that would leave a nice groundwork for sueability, since they are supposed to know the laws they didn't enforce correctly

I once asked an elementary teacher what was to stop cops from breaking the law whenever they wanted and she told me that any cop breaking the law would receive double the normal punishment. I nodded my head as that made complete, reasonable sense to me. Then, as an adult, I learned THAT ISNT TRUE AT ALL! Not only do cops NOT automatically receive double the punishment, but 99% of the time the entire system will rally around to protect them if they commit a crime.

Police is the executive, not the legislative power of the power devision.
But yes they need proper training. (Dangerouse half knowledge ahead) not the few weeks/days training they get in the USA and then they are done
- attorneys aren't legislative, they are judiciary.
  legislative = make law judiciary = judge law executive = execute law
- Prosecutors are executive branch and they are required to be attorneys. Attorneys have to go to law school
- Bro law and order explains this to five year olds, you should know how dumb that argument is.
  In the criminal justice system, the people are represented by two separate yet equally important groups: the police, who investigate crime; and the district attorneys, who prosecute the offenders. These are their stories.
  Implying that the executive doesn't need to know law is crazy, every branch of government utilizes the law but one can only make law and the other can only enforce it.
  Ignorance of the law isn't an excuse from the law unless you work for the government and then reasonable mistakes are somehow reasonable to make. Ie. The government can get away with ignorant criminality and use it as a defense but you and I cannot, that's not ok.
  
  In the case of cops, not knowing the law is actually a benefit. They've been allowed to enforce what they believe is law, and if they find something actually illegal in the course of enforcing imaginary law, then it's still valid.
  
  Implying that the executive doesn’t need to know law is crazy
  Its not entirely crazy.
  Police exist to follow a very particular set of orders from their commanders (not unlike soldiers in the military). They get told "Keep people away from this building" or "Point this radar gun down the highway and don't come back to the office until you've cited at least 10 people over the speed limit" or "Keep anyone who looks suspicious out of this neighborhood" and they're graded on that task, not on the overarching capacity to enforce all laws.
  In the same way you don't need to give a guard dog a chemistry degree, you don't need to give a cop a law license.

Give power of life and death over others in an environment were they de facto are judged less strictly and punished less strongly than other people, to people with 3 weeks training.
What could possibly go wrong???
- If only it was a question of "3 weeks training". The real brain rot of being a police officer happens as you're jumped into the street gang that is your local sheriff's deputy division.
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_LASD_deputy_gangs
  Its a real Learn By Doing situation. And what cops learn over time is that they are utterly unaccountable save to their immediate superiors, who all have their own political and financial agendas that diverge starkly from the ostensible job of policing.
- 3 weeks? It's more like 20 weeks, which yes, is low compared to other countries. I have two friends who are cops and they went through 20-25 weeks of training before they ever went on patrol, and then it was with an experienced partner. I'm not sure what academy is doing 3 weeks of training, but yikes.

If any one would hear that in my country it would be the fiasco of the century. (we have had one) You aren't even allowed to go near the studying line if you have any criminal record. When the police make an mistake in my country, there will be an investigation. And the investigation is done by a party not in the normie police force, which can and does lead to convictions of the members police force.
Instead, Americans: here is your gun, go shoot and kill anything that moves, you are unimpeachable.
- Also, in my country, if a member of police force fires a weapon, this alone means there will be an investigation to determine if the action was really necessary. The police cannot fire weapons without paper work, and are thus reluctant to do so.
- Where is that utopian country and whats its name?
  
  Sweden.
  
  Finland. You can punch a cop in the face, and the only repercussions is that your are a violent moron with an pricey after math. You can avoid the pricey after math, if you give up before punching the cop in the face. :) (It's temporary jail time in both cases)

The kid knows what's up. Still, to better explain to them, a good analogy IMO would be that cashiers don't necessarily study finance.

That's because cops aren't here to protect you, sweetie. They're here to protect property, now go to bed.
- Castle Rock v. Gonzales for anyone curious about the SCOTUS opinion that says cops only have a duty to protect property.
  And for those interested in is police really have to protect and serve, look up "Police duty to protect" online and feel free to start on the wiki. It's astonishing how little police actually have to do. As someone trying to become a cop, this is one of my biggest issues with the field outside of blatant racism.

Teach them that law school is about finding loopholes, studying court precedent, and writing legal correspondence

Platon designed a system. We never listened him.

They only learn the laws that have fines/generate revenue for the county/state, or that give them the ability to physically harm someone. The amount of times I have seen a cop run a stop, turn/merge without signaling, or speed without the lights or siren on has taught me that.

Just because it's always been that way doesn't mean it's not incredibly dumb.

that happened
- It happened to Edgar Blackmon.
- 7 is old enough to have this type of thought.

Tell me you didn't go to law school with one meme.
Law school is not the place for police.

r/thathappened
- I was absolutely questioning shit at that age.
  I remember being 5yo and asking my mom while police cars could drive through red lights with no lights on, while we had to wait.
  
  I remember being 5yo and asking my mom while police cars could drive through red lights with no lights on, while we had to wait.
  At least there is a legitimate reasoning for your question.
- I think most "my kid made an interesting observation" stories sound fake, but this checks out for me.
  When kids think of a "law man" they probably think of sheriffs and cops. When a kid overhears an adult mention "law school" they probably think it's where a "lawman" went to school.