"House of cards": Judge imposes new terms to ensure Trump's $175 million bond will actually be paid
New York Judge Arthur Engoron agreed to accept Trump's $175 million bond, provided that the insurer has the cash
“We’re serious this time, super pinky swear!”
the American justice system
I've been watching a lot of SovCit videos (I'm not sure why). I'm actually surprised at how much the court puts up with.
It's always important to remember that "putting up with stuff" for judges is mostly them making their case appeal prove. Because the judge accepts the bond, now they can't really bring it up on appeal. That's the whole reason.
The judge is only more lenient because he wants to pin Trump down and leave him without good arguments on appeal, which is what we want - nothing would be worse than to see everything get overturned.
You're not kidding, they get so many chances even when security needs to be called. Part of me is cynical though. It's always white guys in white courts, at least from what I've seen. I wonder how a black guy in a white court in one of those redneck states would be treated.
judge: and now you have the money?
defendant: yes, this time it's real
judge: for really reals?
defendant: for really reals
))<>((
Judge: Suuuuper for really reals? No takesies backsies!
Presidency for sale. All you need is $175M to buy out the democracy
It’s always been, but how much is it to buy a president who doesn’t support genocide? Are any of those available?
Unfortunately no we're all out of those. Try back in I dunno, 28 years maybe.
Go back to your cave troll.
'Perfection' is the enemy of 'better'.
You're also "both sides"-ing it.
To think that Trump is still a running president candidate and endorsing by republican is crazy.
Or am I too sensitive? Maybe I'm just an outsider (not American) and doesn't know what I'm talking about.
No, you reflect how a lot of Americans feel. For me it's not just Trump himself that's crazy, but the politics around Trump. A decent chunk of population wants an autocrat running the show.
Lol it won't though.
The headline seems a bit inaccurate. It stipulates that the bond will be accepted as long as Trump's collateral for the bond -- $175M held in an account with Charles Schwab -- is not invested in securities. So as long as it sits there liquid. Essentially it makes all the wishy washy language in the deal and the debate about the bond issuer's cash on hand kind of moot and almost as if Trump had put up $175M in escrow.
Seems like cash in escrow is how bonds should work.
I think the only way it gets paid is if he finds a way to get someone else to pay it. Or 30 million someone elses.
Why doesn't New York just hand him several million dollars and a court ordered professional wanking? He's defied court orders, threatened staff and family of the court, missed deadlines, provided fraudulent agreements. He has done all sorts of misconduct. If it were one of us, we'd be in jail with our assets seized.
I think Trump's buddy Vince McMahon has liquidated all his stock and is sitting on like 2 billion cash, I thought he was gonna bail Trump out honestly. These rapists like to stick together.
Vince is way too selfish for that if theirs no guarantee ROI
I heard they've always had a competitive thing going, like "my plane is nicer than yours!" Type thing. It's crazy that the last time I watched wrestling like 20 years ago, Vince was a low millionaire, now he's a billionaire and way richer than Trump and can prove it. He's probably waving his money in Donald's face and laughing.
The ROI used to be getting his wife into politics. That ship has sailed with their separation and his numerous allegations.
If Trump can get him back into his company, that $2B is basically his.
I wonder what the odds in Vegas are on Trump somehow getting that money out and stiffing the bonds company if he loses the appeal.
The judge was just using a metaphor, but I like to think that he was actually referring to a fictional TV show which was about a crafty politician, but that crafty politician was played by a guy who devoted his off-time to sexual assault and sexual harassment.
So, Trump will lose the appeal, KISC will be left with the bill they can't pay, they'll fight it on the grounds that they're not based in NY and delay the judgement by tieing it up in the courts. If Trump wins, he uses his influence to either get them off the hook, or he'll funnel dirty Russian money into KISC to pay it off for them.
Or Trump will tell Knight Specialty Insurance to pound sand like he does with all his other bills
I mean, he didn't even pay Rudy, and that man stood in a goddamn landscaping company forecourt to defend his election stealing attempt.
Refusing to pay back a loan is straight "for me it was Tuesday" territory. Serves them right for lending it to him.
This is exactly what will happen. Unfortunately that turns it into a civil case so Donald would be able to successfully keep his money.
That's why was clear that he would either make it disappear using his position as dictator, or use someone else's money.
Stiffing them is definitely in the cards too though.
they'll fight it on the grounds that they're not based in NY
No, they will add that this will be subject to NY law. Plus some other bits. It was discussed here: https://youtu.be/wEOuLQ_x8yY
Video has an ex-judge that was in the courtroom.
It's still pretty fucky, but I guess if that's good enough for the judge…
The judge is being cautious because he knows how much Trump abuses the appeals process
Interesting context. Thanks, I'll keep this in mind.