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Hillary Clinton tells voters to 'get over yourself' when it comes to Biden-Trump rematch

www.cnn.com Hillary Clinton tells voters to ‘get over yourself’ when it comes to Biden-Trump rematch | CNN Politics

CNN’s Abby Phillip speaks to ESPN talk show host Stephen A. Smith about former Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton telling undecided voters to “get over yourself” regarding the rematch of President Joe Biden and former President Donald Trump in the 2024 election.

With a electoral system like Ranked Choice voting, people would feel safe to vote for whomsoever they wish, as their vote would still be counted even if their preference didn’t win.

Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoiler effect exists.

Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.

Republicans are moving to make alternative electoral systems illegal in their states. Republicans LOVE first past the post voting. Just sbsolutely adore it. Why would you want to use the same voting system republicans want?

More political parties means a higher percentage of the population is represented by their choices in the voting booth. More people involved in the electoral process, more people engaged.

Its a win win win all around for not just the people, but also for the democratic party. More people voting means more democratic votes. The numbers dont lie. So what’s the hold up blue states?

Some day we will be able to vote for who best represents our interests. We won’t need to grovel on our knees, begging for representationin government. We won’t need to wait for the Republican party to stop existing.

We can do it right now. We don't have to get over a damn thing. If anyone needs to get over themselves, it would be the democrats who assume they are the only way forward.

Consider starting a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.

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Please go away, get out of public life and stop "helping."

Being a dick to people is not going to get them to vote your way. Same with the 'deplorables' comment. I agreed with her on it, but it was a stupid thing to say in an election.
- I think the deplorables comment would have been fine if they did try to cowardly walk it back immediately after in the typical miquetoast, 'cater to everyone' Democratic fashion.
  
  "Cater to everyone but the left"
  
  It wouldn't have. That's when I knew we were screwed.
  
  Maybe they wouldn't have thought they had to if they could have counted on the left for any of the energy coming up with reasons why them not voting is everyone else's fault.
  
  The white left being shocked and outraged that they in fact do not get to call themselves the base when they have to be dragged kicking and screaming by their hair just to get into a poll booth, never mind to not be a fucking moron and vote green or some shit, never ceases to amaze me.
  
  The Tea Party are the Republican base because they don't have to be convinced to show up for the general you entitled fucking morons.
- Yes, it’s like she took notes from her husband, but isn’t Smooth Willy enough to pull it off. I think it’s because deep down, she is just a removed.
  
  South Park said it best: "my wife is a crazy removed."
- I’m still convinced that only person insufferable enough to lose to Donald fucking Trump in 2016 was Hillary Clinton.
  
  You can hate it all you want but in some level it’s a popularity contest and she is utterly utterly unlikeable.
  
  Her smarmy q&a with those millennials was a fucking PR nightmare.
- Lewis Black said her problem was that she never went away. I’d say that’s pretty spot on. Shitheads wants attention, wants to be important. Maybe if she’d given the public a break and then came back for a second act it would have been different for her. But we’re still in act one and it never ends.
Hilary propped up Trump. Never forget that. The political turmoil we are currently in is directly because or her. Fuck her and the DNC
- https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/11/hillary-clinton-2016-donald-trump-214428/
  
  So to take Bush down, Clinton’s team drew up a plan to pump Trump up. Shortly after her kickoff, top aides organized a strategy call, whose agenda included a memo to the Democratic National Committee: “This memo is intended to outline the strategy and goals a potential Hillary Clinton presidential campaign would have regarding the 2016 Republican presidential field,” it read.
  
  “The variety of candidates is a positive here, and many of the lesser known can serve as a cudgel to move the more established candidates further to the right. In this scenario, we don’t want to marginalize the more extreme candidates, but make them more ‘Pied Piper’ candidates who actually represent the mainstream of the Republican Party,” read the memo.
  
  “Pied Piper candidates include, but aren’t limited to:
  
  • Ted Cruz
  
  • Donald Trump
  
  • Ben Carson
  
  We need to be elevating the Pied Piper candidates so that they are leaders of the pack and tell the press to [take] them seriously."
  
  While the campaign also kept a close eye on Rubio, monitoring his announcement speech and tightly designing the tweeted responses to his moves, Clinton’s team in Brooklyn was delightedly puzzled by Trump’s shift into the pole position that July after attacking John McCain by declaring, “I like people who weren’t captured.”
  
  Eleven days after those comments about McCain, Clinton aides sought to push the plan even further: An agenda item for top aides’ message planning meeting read, “How do we prevent Bush from bettering himself/how do we maximize Trump and others?"
  
  I remember something like this happening in Germany...some people like Von schleicher and Von Papen thinking if they propped up Hitler it would help the conservative old Gaurd consolidate power...not exactly the same but it looks the same and smells like shit to me
- She got her second choice in 2016, like all centrists did.
  
  Since when was she a centrist? Her congressional voting and action history put her way left of the party, way farther than Obama, and second only to Bernie Sanders.
- I don't think it's fair to put Trump all on her. If we were to ask anyone 10 years ago if someone like Trump could win the presidency we all would have laughed. No surprise they tried to prop up an opposing candidate they thought was bad.
  
  I don’t think it’s fair to put Trump all on her
  
  Why not? Her supporters blame Trump on anyone who ever thought about voting for Sanders in the primaries, regardless of who they voted for in the general, and have for nearly 8 years now.
  
  Sanders campaigned for her in states she ignored because they were full of worthless flyover hayseeds who were beneath her. Her campaign didn't seem to understand how the electoral college functions.
  
  Her campaign WANTED to go up against Trump because they were unforgivably stupid enough to think that Republicans would be less energized by a charismatic con man than by Jeb Bush, Republicans' presumptive frontrunner that no one wanted.
  
  Clinton earned her loss multiple times over.
  
  The Simpsons warned her, and she did it anyways.
  
  Yeah, that was exactly the feeling at the time. No one saw Trump coming.
  
  I can only assume people making claims otherwise now are kids who have no understanding of the history involved.
Two things can be true at the same time.

She is a target of mysgonstic flavored consisparcy theories.

She truly is unlikeable with half measure policies while being woefully out of touch with the average person.
- She is / was 100x more qualified than Trump.
  
  American voters are idiots.
  
  It's easy to be more qualified than totally unqualified. She was the obvious choice, but her total lack of charisma to voters destroyed that.
  
  She should have run on a platform that was better than "What else are you going to do, vote for Trump?"
  
  And yet, unelectable!
  
  She's from the Chicago suburbs, fuck that entitled removed.
We literally had Trump instead of Bernie because she couldn't get over herself.
- Neolibs would rather see a descent into fascism than a true progressive agenda because billionaires will still thrive under the former. Sure, there's the whole die roll about who gets caught up in the purges, but a real progressive administration could lead to less free money for them. The DNC would rather hand the reigns to the GOP while it sorts out the problem of people wanting a candidate like Bernie.
As the one and only person to ever lose to Trump, ya might want to sit this one out.

Hillary has value as a lightning rod for right-wing hatred. All she has to do is show her face and the rednecks will lose their mind. She should be talking about things like Benghazi or emails - troll the trumpanzees with shit they won't be able to resist, and keep em off the rest of the blue team's back.

Her chiming in on pretty much any other topic just weighs it down with per perceived baggage.
She really just needs to get over herself and shut the fuck up. She lost to Trump. Why the fuck would anyone listen to her on how to beat him?
She needs to learn to shut the fuck up, because she doesn't help.

This is like telling your SO to 'just calm down' when they're really angry about something.
Hillary Clinton is irrelevant, and should get over herself.
- She should go hang out with her buddy Henry Kissinger, whatever he's up to these days.
- Rich old bat, nobody cares; she might not be first for the guillotine but she's definitely in the queue.
  
  What political side even are you? I assume some far left tankie idiocy.
- And always makes things worse. Just shut up already.
OK Boomer.

I'm voting for Biden but I'm not obligated to be excited or happy about it or to not critique it for the DNC. It's a choice between a lawful neutral (at best) milquetoast waffling imperial fuckhead and an outright chaotic evil dictatorial megalomaniac imperial fuckhead. One choice is clearly superior but that's the choice that's also dangling the more dangerous choice over me like a threat as the only reason to vote for them. That's pretty fucking abusive, if you ask me.

Talking down to voters with stuff like "Why don't you go run for something, then?" worked out so well for her before, right?
- Well said. The two front runners are like creepy old lords from Game of Thrones or something. One is much worse, but neither is good.
  
  The Clintons need to retire quietly, nobody wants their input.
  
  One is much worse, but neither is good.
  
  Given that one of them will be president after the election, it should be obvious that preventing the much worse option is in everyone's best interest.
- South Park called it long ago and it still fits. It fits with Hillary and Trump back in 2016 and today. It's a choice between a shit sandwich and a douche bag. They just missed the part where one is hell bent on destroying our democracy and then added a season with Mr Garrison as president.
  
  Now we are repeating history and might put "Garrison" in charge again. I never liked history but I didn't think we were this dumb it hasn't even been a decade but that's more to do with brain washing
We DEFINITELY don't need her help with any elections.
shut the fuck up forever hillary
Ah, yes, entitlement, that’ll resonate with disaffected voters.
- She's saying what every lemmy Centrist has been saying, only with less condescension and she managed to say it without calling anyone a Russian.
  
  I'm surprised she's getting so much hate. Maybe she's not being entitled enough and centrists perceive her as being to their left.
  
  It's not what she's saying here that's the problem, it's that she fucked up her own campaign so badly by keeping her smug entitled head so firmly up her ass that we got Trump. Personally, I don't want see her in the public eye or hear her opinions ever again, even the ones I agree with.
  
  I'm surprised she's getting so much hate.
  
  It seems that for some of these haters, all she has to do to get hate is to exist.
Right message, very much the wrong messenger. Like it or not, Hillary, a significant number of people in this country despise you. I don't think that's at all fair, but them's the breaks. You're not helping.
- "Shut up, you're voting for who we want you to vote for because we say so" is never the right message. Centrists will never think of another one.
  
  How apropos... Confidently telling everyone why Hilary is wrong while clearly not even reading the article. Classic.
  
  That wasn't really the message. The message is more: "Please stop with the hyperbole. You know that Donald Trump is the worst possible candidate imaginable." Which is absolutely true.
- Obama could get away with telling potential voters to get over themselves. Clinton has none of the cachet that Obama or even Biden to a less extent has. She should be embarrassed to show her face in public at this point.
- Horrendous, insulting, out of touch phrasing from her as usual too. The democrats spending years propping her up and then stacking the deck in her favor in the primary are why we had Trump as president. She was the only person predicted to lose to him.
Like "basket of deplorables," she's not wrong. She just shouldn't be saying it because it can only really hurt things
- Nah, she's wrong. The only way to "get over ourselves" in this situation is to stop caring about the present and future of our country and world.
Hillary was the only candidate unlikeable enough to lose to Trump. She should stick that in her pipe and smoke it.
Alternative headline: Hillary Clinton hasn't learned her lesson that she is tone deaf and should stay the fuck out of politics.
That’s A real hoot coming from the woman who gave us president Donald Trump.
- Real stupid take from the lemmy user. At best the voters "gave" you trump.
  
  Nah if not for Hillary, Bernie would have easily beat trump
  
  The electoral college gave us trump. Clinton won the popular vote.
  
  Real stupid take from the lemmy user. Trump lost the popular vote.
Jesus read a fuckin room, woman.
- She's not even in the room.
Somehow I don’t think insulting people is going to get them to want to participate in your shit show
If she’s jaded about the whole thing, can’t say I blame her. If the dems had pushed to get rid of the stupid electoral college after Gore’s “loss” she might have been president.
- To be fair, I don't think she would have made a good president even if the electoral college didn't exist. She would have been better than Trump but that's not saying much, because a shit sandwich is better than Trump.
  
  Why wouldn't she have been good? She was one of the few people in Congress that actually cared about understanding and enacting policy (ie actually getting stuff done). Her platform was the only one with actual details on how to accomplish the stated goals on a legal level.
  
  Not that any of that matters now, since her comment here is pretty shit.
  
  But I don't like the re-writing of history on how she was a million times better candidate than Trump and had a ton of made up conspiracy nonsense being claimed about her at the time.
- That would have taken a Constitutional amendment and I don't think that would have been possible any time within the last 24 years.
  
  The Democrats never had anywhere near the majority needed and I doubt enough states would be willing to ratify it if they did.
  
  I think the electoral college is stupid and archaic, but I also think we're stuck with it for the foreseeable future.
  
  There's a workaround that several states have signed on for. Your state allocates all of the electoral votes to the winner of the popular vote. But they only do it once enough states sign on to make a majority.
  
  You ever know until you try. They couldn’t even be bothered to get behind the idea. It’s bitten them in the ass repeatedly.
As a middle aged millennial (how the hell did that happen?) I am so proud of this comment section.

The two powers with a death grip on our society need to (a) let that shit go and (b) fix our voting system before that society breaks.
- Changing our voting system will take longer than we have before society breaks
"Most people feel disenchanted about our political system. I know, I'll insult them into shutting the fuck up"
- It’s especially funny, coming from one of the people who have made us disenchanted
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Though I loved Steven A. Smith’s smokey-voiced play-by-play of how Hillary fucked up, - just like CNN would be expected to do - he focus on how this comment hurt her and Joe Biden’s standing because is would “alienate voters” and the margins are thin, but not how wrong and almost grotesque it is for a politician to say, “You have to vote for me, because of how bad the other guy is!”

Like, yeah, you rigged this system and now because of your own decisions, you have made it a tenuous situation. You have two choices - change or let the other guy win. What do you want, democrats? You tell us it’s an emergency! Why don’t you get to it! And we won’t fall for bullshit promises, we want action now - especially on the urgent stuff like Palestine. You gave us the vote, and we’re using it Libs.
Hillary is a downer cuck that needs to stfu and gtfo. Nobody cares what she has to say. She's done enough. Please just fuck off and go make some insider trades or something.
Is she scared there won't be anymore opportunies for $200,000 speeches if Trump gets a second term? What's she worried about?
- Conversely, maybe she thinks there will be MORE opportunity for $200k speeches if Trump wins!
Hilary diplomatic and not being an elitest shitty person again. /s

Stephen A. Smith at least coming back with some sanity.
Well she’s out of touch if she thinks it’s not still bipartisan.
She can go get over a fucking cliff. The audacity of this idiot telling people how to vote.
Don’t give me somebody I want to vote for and I’m not voting. Done playing the fear-based voting game.
- DNC fucked themselves by throwing Bernie Sanders under the bus. Count individual donators and Bernie wins by a landslide. Biden and Trump just got corrupt corporate sponsorship.
  
  Bernie or Warren, but it seems the US is still not ready for a woman president, unfortunately.
- Imagine if all the people who didn't vote, instead wrote in their candidate.
  
  The message sent by not voting is "I'm cool with whomever I get" not "I'm too cool to vote".
  
  There’s no point without alternative voting like RSV. Cool, you wrote a name down. Might as well just yell a candidate’s name into the ether and throw your ballot in the trash.
- Getting trump for 4 years is acceptable punishment to the dnc for not providing better candidates?
  
  It’s not intentional punishment. It’s just what happens if they don’t have a candidate I want to vote for. If a restaurant makes food I don’t like I’m not punishing them for not eating there.
- THAT is a lot worse than Joe Biden.
  
  Then they should make me want to vote for them.
- Sure thing whitey, you'll still be on the wall next to the Nazis you're collaborating with.
  
  Price of admission to those Instagrammable pride marches is gonna start being your "I Voted" sticker with "allies" like you to count on.
Man I was just waiting to hear what she had to say before making MY decision this November 🙄
Yall ready for the end of America?
Hillary trying hard to hand Trump the win again, this time without even running.
How does one get something like RCV on the ballot? Get a petition signed? How do you make a formal petition?
I agree but the fact that it's her saying it means it will not be helpful.
I don’t know dick about shit but I know for absolutely fucking certain that Hilary rod man Clinton should shut the fuck up
Honestly I hate hearing her voice even more than Trump's, and I used to vote democrat.
She did try to pander to us with this gem of a phrase, "I don't know who created Pokémon Go, but I want to figure out how to get them to have Pokémon Go to the polls"
Shut up, cunt.
She's a rotten c you next Tuesday!

Fuck off Hillary!
She's not wrong.
- Not acknowledging the underlying problem is definitely wrong.
- Ah yes the fear tactic. Grow some brains and give the people with critical thinking a real reason to vote for someone, not because they have no choice

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