Let’s Outlaw Being Homeless! That’ll Work!
Let’s Outlaw Being Homeless! That’ll Work!
Let’s Outlaw Being Homeless! That’ll Work!
+1 for rats playing poker and the cat joining them
“Background details rulz”
Looks like Texas holdem?
They should only be holding 2 cards for Texas Hold'em... So I'm not sure what this is.
Jail.
That's the answer.
You'll sleep in jail. Possibly for the rest of your life.
Also the cop will beat the shit out of you now for mouthing off.
and in jail each resident will cost tax payers approximately $80,000.00 per year on average.
Sure, but it will make a private security contractor and private prison company have great returns for investors!
More in the first year if they manage to fight the charges in court for a little while.
Yes but then we're punishing them and letting some corporation buy their labor(not from them, and not in such a way that covers the costs) and pay them in top ramen. Which is morally better, Jesus says so.
... It's funny that inflation makes that feel like a steal in most sub-urban places now.
We need armed citizens groups to keep these thugs off our streets.
But prison is so much more expensive... Looks at political donations from prison companies Ah - that'll do it.
Why bother with representation and good policy when you can have corruption, graft, and all the wonders of late stage capitalism.
Jail.
That’s the answer.
The answer to what question though? If it is what's presented here in the comic, I.e. "what to do instead of sleeping on the street", then that's a remarkably American answer, and requires significant stupidity and/or malice.
There are much better approaches.
Yeah we're not talking about ideals, we're talking about the present. Stupidity and malice is pretty much it.
As opposed to the beating you were going to get, for... Reasons.
Very unrealistic. How come he's still alive after talking back to a cop while being black?
Didn't you see the last panel - he's rich.
Wait y'all have cops that don't just start wailing on that guy for not moving? Cops in my city absolutely call backup and go squad deep when homeless people stand their ground.
Or when they dont. In my twenties I worked with unhoused populations, and someone who I was kind of point of contact for came inafter being missing for a couple weeks. She had really weird injuries. I recognized a few of them, not all, and I'm pretty familiar with broken bodies so that was surprising. Apparently she'd been kidnapped and tortured by cops for at least a week. I found out basically everyone has a few of those. The cops just do that. Theres no reason, There's no jusrification; they just take who they can.
And why should someone who's been thrown away like that give a shit about your comfort? I know when I was thrown away and ended up homeless, I lost a lot of respect for my environment and 'normal' people. I didn't get as bad as a lot of people.
Do you have a good reason for them to care? To care about something other than the next fix? Maybe a future, or a chat with a friend? No? Then maybe shut the hell up about how icky the actual living human beings you let get thrown away like trash make you feel when you have to walk through their fucking homes.
Who the heck is downvoting this? This is such a reflection of our society.
The cop in the comic, probably
They want free prison labor instead of helping people. All programs that gave people shelter and UBI had high success rates of getting people off the streets. If you give people resources and real help. They can be housed, it isn't unsolvable at all.
They want free prison labor instead of helping people.
They don't even really want that, at this point. Prisoners are increasingly geriatric, malnourished, and prone to mental illness, making them unreliable employees at their best and completely unprofitable more often than not.
All programs that gave people shelter and UBI had high success rates of getting people off the streets.
Ah, but you're forgetting the mystery third option. Pack undesirable people into cages during a plague or a heat wave and kill them from behind bars. This is significantly less expensive than either enslaving them at a loss or funding housing/UBI.
Open sufficient shelter and then ban camping.
Sorry, but I’ve worked in SF and Portland and getting yelled at while avoiding shit and syringes is not great.
Have to get rid of the "no drugs" rules then.
If it's a choice between heroin and a roof, then one of them they can do without. The roof isn't going to win.
I think the best solution would be daily free drugs in exchange for maintaining behavior in and around the shelter.
You'll never get rid of the homeless by building shelters. Some of them don't want to go to one. They can't shoot up or drink in there, and there are other rules to follow too. There are also some other issues of living in a shelter.
That's why to reduce homelessness you provide people with unconditional housing, like housing first approach in Finland.
If only Reagan didn't defund asylums in order to "prove" they didn't work so that they could move the homeless to jail or on the street where they can be a scary story to keep us wage slaves in line.
Like they aren't assured long term spots and can't bring their pets, often the pets who helped them survive, physically and emotionally. Maybe fuck off with your exterminationist bullshit?
What you're describing isn't shelters it's a sad excuse.
You’ll never get rid of the homeless by building shelters.
You'll never prevent fires by hiring Fire Fighters either.
Also...
You’ll never get rid of the homeless
Yikes.
Yeah, a shelter is not of much use to someone who has the shakes so bad that he would still feel better if he had his fix while on the street while its freezing.
They need to learn how to elevate and just sleep in the air, man. Fucking homeless people can't learn this one trick.
anti-homeless spikes? Pfft, just learn how to sleep on a bed of nails like those magicians.
There ya go.
Some say there is a missing panel where a acorn hits the cop and he unloads a full mag on the guy.
I love that the cat just joins the rats playing poker.
Background Details Rulz
And then in a few years, after making no efforts to create a space where homeless people can live the way they want or a path for them to get a job and a home, the enforcement of these laws will loosen up and you'll be back to stepping over people on the sidewalk.
What is on his T-shirt?
Might be "No, you're Spartacus"
Haha. Great. Must be it.
I dunno, but these background details rulz.
Technically illegal here in the UK too. Shops have put out spikes outside their windows and walls in recent years too. Totally scummy.
Yeah, the goal isn't to 'end' homelessness. There are always going to be dirtbags that think they are too good to get a job but stand on the same corner at the same time every day. They take advantage of the kindness of strangers and give nothing back to society. Worse they hinder the recovery of people who actually want to be a member of society.
The goal, is to provide safety for to the constructive members of society. Otherwise this happens - https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-04-06/i-just-lost-my-best-friend-friends-family-mourn-cash-app-founder-after-fatal-stabbing-in-san-francisco
But go on, pretend the violence and street shitting isn't a problem. I know you will defend the failed policies 100% no matter what the consequences. Because admitting they are bad policies would require introspection and rationality - both of which are clearly lacking.
I too would rather stand in the median of a busy highway interchange for 12 hours a day, in the rain or snow, with a bag of my stuff getting ruined, holding a sign and watching everyone turn their head away from me to not make eye contact, day in and day out, than get a job. I'm so glad you understand
/s
Had coworkers who would insist the guys panhandling on the street were making more than we were. In fairness, we were being paid shit. But there were so many back-of-the-envelop assumptions and urban legends flying around - "Well, if he gets $1 on every light and there's 20 light changes every hour..." / "I hear they all drive nice cars and just pretend to be poor..." / "I heard on the AM Radio that there's a trick homeless people use to get rich quickly..." - that you couldn't have any kind of serious response to the right-wing rumor mill.
There are always going to be dirtbags that think they are too good to get a job but stand on the same corner at the same time every day.
There are always going to be far more dirtbags who let the rich convince them to betray their inherent solidarity with other struggling humans because of morality stories about who deserves empathy and who doesn’t that have ZERO percent to do with reality, actual effective policy or even common sense.
These dirtbags have used the incredible capacity of the human mind to mutilate their empathy and committed a colossal waste of time by using such a powerful organ of consciousness….. to rationalize not extending a basic mercy to those in need, which even children who know nothing of the world can easily identify as evil because ignorance is wiser than years of rotting the core of one’s soul out with hateful conservative rhetoric.
Helsinki's radical solution to homelessness
Housing First’s early goal was to create 2,500 new homes. It has created 3,500. Since its launch in 2008, the number of long-term homeless people in Finland has fallen by more than 35%. Rough sleeping has been all but eradicated in Helsinki, where only one 50-bed night shelter remains, and where winter temperatures can plunge to -20C.
But Housing First is not just about housing. “Services have been crucial,” says Helsinki’s mayor, Jan Vapaavuori, who was housing minister when the original scheme was launched. “Many long-term homeless people have addictions, mental health issues, medical conditions that need ongoing care. The support has to be there.”
“We had to get rid of the night shelters and short-term hostels we still had back then. They had a very long history in Finland, and everyone could see they were not getting people out of homelessness. We decided to reverse the assumptions.”
There are always going to be dirtbags that think they are too good to get a job but stand on the same corner at the same time every day.
You can't seriously believe this right? You're talking about fellow human beings who are down on their luck, not objects, could easily be you in a street corner some day.
There are always going to be dirtbags that think they are too good to get a job
Rich failkids don't live out on the street.
I have sympathy for homeless people but I also realise they aren't all good, harmless innocents (just like those who are lucky enough to have a home aren't all good).
Some encampment activities were difficult to talk about — a disturbed camper throwing feces over the 97 Street bridge on unsuspecting passersby and cars.
Gangs are preying on vulnerable campers, setting up “taxation” tents like trolls under bridges, demanding payment for the use of safe consumption sites, or a chance to visit an agency to get free needles, or pick up a cheque
A 16-year-old girl was being sex-trafficked around the encampments. She was found in hospital with 75 per cent burns — under an alias.
They were sex trafficking a child, setting up wires to behead cyclists.. those aren't good people.
But yeah the solution isn't to shuffle them into prison. They need homes.
"It's worth every dollar. These are human lives. By making this new investment, we are going to put individuals on a new trajectory in life," he [the mayor] said, adding that city staff are hearing from other municipalities across Ontario and the rest of Canada, as many grapple with how to deal with homelessness.
There is a security hub, washrooms and showers separate from the units, and a service room. One of the 50 units has a toaster, toaster oven and microwave. Laundry is done off site. An indoor community space, which will include a kitchenette and laundry facilities, is not open yet.
Each unit, which costs $21,150 to build, comes with a bed, bedding, mini fridge, smoke alarm, personal heater, air conditioning unit, and storage space. The units are side by side, with a door at the front and a window at the back.