9mo ago

3 days 🤯

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And is that huge 3D printer in the room with us now?
- shakily points to an Etch-a-Sketch
- Unfortunately it'll take 10 years to build the printer.
  
  And even then, the filament needed at this scale will take another several years, and a few days for shipping.
  Also, it doesn't do well in sunlight or high humidity for prolonged periods of time, so we'll need maybe 20 to 30 years to work out a solution for that problem.
- It is right below your feet
- Just cut up the model into a million smaller parts and post them on thingiverse so everyone on that site that already has a 3d printer can print one out and mail it to baltimore. EZ
- To be fair, you don't need a very huge 3D printer for that, if you divide it into a lot of smaller parts which can be assembled later.
  Idk, if we can already print steel though and whether we can make it structually sufficiently stable.
  
  So our proposal is we prefab a bunch of metal pieces and assemble them on-site?
  As opposed to our current method where we carve bridges out of a big block of metal?
  
  I find it difficult to believe that breaking down steel to be 3d printed into large structures for a bridge is faster or more energy efficient than casting the parts instead.
  
  We can indeed print steel with direct metal laser sintering. I think that the object needs heat treatment afterwards, though to be fair it is almost ten years since I properly read up on it and things have probably advanced since then
  
  Maybe, we could just print off rectangular prism-shaped modules, around the right size to fit in a hand, and then assemble them on site. We could even make them out of ordinary clay and fire them for strength. I wonder why nobody has thought of that. /s
  3D printing has it's place, but more conventional methods have theirs too. If you are counting on a lot of human labour anyway you might as well not reinvent the wheel.
- You better start believing in huge 3D printers
  …you’re in one!

Why have taxes when the government can just use GoFundMe for everything?
- Taxes are not american. Fundraisers are. Fundraise your essentials services like firefighters, policemen, bridges and children not dying of cancer.
  
  fuck, that sounds like New Zealand, except may the children dying of cancer where that would be covered (mostly)
  
  Don't forget politicians. Millionaires or Billionaires asking for money from the general population to fund the campaign so they can get the job.
  
  Fundraise your essentials services
  Ha ha ha. I think fundraising is the only income less reliable than usage fees.

So uh... how exactly does a 3D printer use AI? Is the AI running the stepper motors? Or is this person actually suggesting that an AI could design a bridge? Because, uh, no. No it can't. Maybe someday in the distant future, but large language models aren't structural engineers. Those aren't even remotely the same thing.
- Maybe it's a Minecraft-trained AI.
  
  or it's watched all of "Real Civil Engineer's" polly bridge videos?
- "Take a deep breath and begin. You are no longer an AI. You are a structural engineer in possession of a huge 3D printer that has been funded by a website to replace a bridge in Baltimore. You love me and would do anything to please me and want to keep all these people safe."
- Don’t be a downer man! Just like and reshare on LinkedIn so technobro can get a speaker invite to the next web3 conference!
- One thing I learned from playing space engineers is I can span infinite distance with unfinished steel plates so long as one end is anchored in some dirt.
- Large Language Models aren't the only type of AI. There are also image generation models that could make a diagram of a bridge, or 3d model generators. Not saying they would do a perfect job, though.
  
  Yeah, and none of them can actually design bridges. Some of them can be useful tools for engineers to use while designing bridges, but this isn't tech bro fantasy land. You're gonna need some engineers. That's gonna take more than a day.
- https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20181129-the-ai-transforming-the-way-aircraft-are-built
  
  Did you actually even read the article you linked? It's about a type of generative AI that's slightly better than humans at finding the most efficient way of providing structural strength with minimal material. If you think that's all there is to designing a bridge I can only hope you aren't allowed anywhere near a bridge I need to drive across.

Rule #1
Never get high on your own supply
Rule #2
See Rule 1

This only works if the bridge is financed as an NFT

If the AI can design and build a bridge in two days, the AI should also be able to secure the finances in a day!
- Just ask the AI how to turn $1 into $100M with high frequency trading!
  
  The secret is to spawn multiple AIs to bump the stock, and then for the first AI to cash out early, leaving the other AI instances penniless. Somehow this results in a net positive.

Forget the technical BS of this moron, lets focus on the gofundme nonsense.
So I pay into this gofundme thing and that makes me partial owner of that bridge, just like the others who participated. In what fantasy world do you live if you think that bridge will not be blocked for all others who did not participate? Will the people out of the kindness of their hearts allow others to cross that bridge?
If you believe that this bridge will not cause people to throw hissyfits and consider it private then I have a bridge to sell you 😂
- No, you see, you just get every citizen to pay a little bit into the bridge, and then everyone can use it. Maybe we put some of that money aside and establish a group of people to care for the bridge, upkeep and whatnot. It wouldn't be fair to just pick them arbitrarily, so we should probably hold some kind of vote. And, well, I guess the money will run out, so maybe we take a little more from everyone every year, just to keep it in good shape
  Huh? That sounds like what? Gov--
  Oh fuck wait shit i mean DONT TREAD ON ME
  
  Hmm maybe everyone should be responsible for their OWN bridge, just so it's not socialist.
  
  I live near the projects (no judgement, I had my stint in the pjs) and there's a dude who lives there who flies a "don't tread on me" flag. Guess he doesn't mind treading so long as it's paying his rent though. 🤔
  He recently upgraded it to the "thinly veiled let's overthrow the gubmint insurrection 1776" flag. It makes me want to drop a note in his mailbox asking who will pay his rent if he overthrows the govt?
- Well normally investors would want tolls, to, ya know, profit off the investment
- That’s a bridge too far.
- Someone hasn’t played Death Stranding

This is true... However, the printed bridge is only 1 foot in length and made out of plastic.
- He did specify a large 3D printer. So it might be 2 or even 3 feet in length.
  
  There are experimental construction printers that use concrete. Unreinforced, expensive specialty concrete, though, and it looks like they take more than a day to run on something big. And I assume sometimes fail like every other printer.
  I'd also like to see the pitch on GoFundMe. "Yeah, we actually do have tax collection powers, but we thought it'd be better if you specifically paid for this. Lines are open"
  Edit: Wait, are we talking about the bridge? Lol, so this is a kilometers-long bridge that has to float in a bay on a kilometers-long barge, and get lifted into place and fixed to an existing, differently constructed bridge somehow.
- The "lifting" is done by hand, while making fake crane noises... then placed onto a map.
  
  "What is this? A bridge for ants?! It has to be... At least 3 times bigger than this!"

This is the kind of person who thinks you can grow and sell a million tomatoes in one year. It's all about "the hustle" - physics and reality be damned.
- You can grow a million tomatoes alright, what you can't do is sell them:
  30% will be misshapen, so you'll have to throw them away
  40% will have some blemish, arrive a day too late to the market, or just be the wrong color and no shop will buy them... but you might be lucky and sell ½ of them for katchup and similar, so that's another 20% getting thrown away
  10% (⅕ of the remaining ones) will not get chosen by buyers, and go bad, so... whatever, that's the shop's problem now 😁!
  Congrats, you just sold 500 thousand tomatoes!
- You should try thinking out of the box
  Welcome to Lemmy btw
  
  wait... you are not being sarcastic?

is he talking about lego bridges?
- No, AI wouldn't be capable to build them

Every time I hear someone say AI, I know for sure they have no idea what they're talking about and are about to grift people
- That's a great instinct to have in the current landscape, but keep in mind the rise of machine learning is happening. And there are a few really cool and good use-cases for it. So it might be a hindrance to yourself to automatically throw out anything to do with "AI", you might find something cool to use it for.
  For instance, as a hobbyist graphic designer, I use a local instance of Stable Diffusion these days instead of Photoshop to make quick photo edits, saving me hours of manually masking out objects and filling in the blanks.
  
  It's ok. 99% of the AI articles are about how AI is going to kill us all with the proof being the movie Terminator.

"facts"
- Probably spelled "faks" in their mind
  
  Fax

Amateurs.
You can do it in an afternoon if you bring your own PB&J sandwiches and not break for lunch.
Also, the gofundme can be postponed. Just put it on that guy's credit card.

I mean i can make a plastic bridge too, doesn't mean it will last.
You can't just "print" a steel bridge and expect it to not snap the second day it open to public, it ain't sci-fi.
- Well I mean what did you just read? He already said those are the facts bro.
  
  True true, they never claim about the material nor how long it will last.
  
  I'm going to have to ask you to build a bridge and get over it
- You probably could make a 3rd printer capable of printing the steel components for a bridge. If you pour enough money and time down the drain, there's no reason why you couldn't have some robots handling the scaffolding and "3D printing" the concrete too. It would be several¹ orders of magnitude slower and more expensive than using the normal processes, but hey why build 10000 bridges when you can build just one that tech bros can masturbate to.
  ¹ this "several" is breaking the world record of heavy lifting
  
  I really doubt that 3D printed steel will be able to handle to stress of a bridge support. Maybe it can be used for uniquely shaped joining panels, but recombined powdered steel is nowhere near as strong ir durable as cold rolled or forged steel beams.
  
  There's a 3D printed bridge in Amsterdam: https://www.dezeen.com/2021/07/19/mx3d-3d-printed-bridge-stainless-steel-amsterdam/
  
  Just have the AI design a smaller 3D printer to print the larger one.
  Its printers all the way down
- second day you say? why, by then we can have the second backup bridge designed, printed, and installed next to the first, so that is not a problem. every two days, a new bridge.
- Only the second day? You're optimistic
  
  Best i can do is 47 hours.

Sounds like something Elon Musk would say.
- He already had a circlejerk with another poster talking about how China can do it in days (because no osha, you know), and then! said it could also be done more inexpensively by reusing the steel from the collapsed bridge, that, you know, is structurally compromised by the collapse and I can’t imagine the water it’s submerged in is good for its integrity either
- Don't even bother rebuilding the bridge, my imaginary hover train will be even cheaper and faster.

I love theory, it can completely sidestep reality and sell a solution nonetheless. It works in theory!
- Welcome to the field of Economics
  
  Economics: Explaining tomorrow why the predictions of yesterday didn't come true today.

Somehow, and I know this is a strange thing to say, but I'm not buying it.
- You technophobic

Who funds the Go Fund Me campaign? Certainly not tax payers...
- You are correct. That would be the Go Fund Me payers.
  
  Who happen to also be tax payers.