Asking a Linux user to recommend a printer
Asking a Linux user to recommend a printer
BTW, I've had my Brother laser MFP for 11 years and still on the original toner.
Asking a Linux user to recommend a printer
BTW, I've had my Brother laser MFP for 11 years and still on the original toner.
If any representative from Brother is reading this, hear me.
DON'T ENSHITTIFY! You see this? You can own the market if you just LEAVE IT ALONE.
Exactly. You can join the club of “Do Nothing and Win” club along with Gabe Newell
They have started chipping their toners, or so I've read. They're still the least shitty printer manufacturer, AFAIK, though.
Let's hope it's just for quality of life and not to bully their customers...
DON’T ENSHITTIFY!
They kind of already did, at least they did in the past.
They fought pretty hard to make you only use their toners, and they would warn you to change your toner cartridges way earlier than it was necessary to do so, disabling the printer if you didn't. I remember having to put tape over the optical device in the printer that looks at the toner cartridge, just so I can keep using my toner cartridge.
Don't get me wrong, I love my brother mfc7840w printer, but it's so weird to hear so much praise for Brother, it's like there is group amnesia about how they used to be on some of this stuff themselves.
They already started. I think it's too late
Too late
I honestly don't remember my printer brand. And that's a good sign. I bought it years ago, and it now lives under my basement stairs on a static IP via wifi, accepting the on average bimonthly print job that I need from it. Then I walk down, fetch the print, and close the door on it again. I should name it Harry Potter.
Harry Printer
Harry Plotter ?
You’re a printer Harry.
I'm a what???
Give a lightning scar across the top
I hope it’s at least in standby mode, and not always on.
Nah, it's been running since '11 and because of a critical network vulnerability that op never patched, it's been a bitcoin slave since '15. But the paper is always nice and toasty.
You may not remember the brand, but sounds to me like you got yourself a Brother laser printer.
I might not know the brand of my Brother laser printer either, if it weren’t for all the other printers sucking so badly.
"Dude, you're getting a Dell Brother!"
It runs arch btw
And Doom
Harry Plotter
My sister in law bought a plotter, I should suggest that name for it
I use a canon… so yeah… better get a brother
Incredibly I've had two printers I've never really had issues with.
CUPS picks up my TR7020 just fine. It’s still an inkjet piece of garbage, but it works fine lol
I got a Canon MF3010 laser printer a few years back. It is attached to a print server made out of an old Mac laptop I had. It has been great. I can print to it from anything, Mac, Windows, Linux, iOS and I have had to replace the toner once since I got it.
I've used tons of dot matrix, inkjets and lasers since the 80s. I've used them in MSDOS, ProDOS, Linux, BSD, Windows, MacOS, OSX, and BeOS. I don't know how many I've owned or how many different OS versions but I know I've had exactly 1 printer that wasn't constantly a problem and its a Brother laser printer.
Okidata Microline dot matrix printer has entered the chat
They're fine until they get off track with the page perforations. And the ribbons last quite a while, but are technically a security risk
Wow, I think I had an Okidata modem at one point. I haven't thought about that in a long time.
can you recommend a good printer ?
Get a brother laser. 👨
can you tell me how to kill a High Ganzonian ?
Get a laser, brother. 👽
I would take any laser printer with a scanner/copier that doesn't have a subscription model that has Linux drivers for all features .
Brother is the only one I've found to check all the boxes
My only gripe with it was the scan drivers were not easy to configure to enable network scanning.
Once I figured that out, I made a SANE scan server that has the drivers, and I just point all my devices to that (SANE to SANE) and don't even need to install the actual scanner drivers. It's damn amazing.
Oh, the software is actually called SANE. I thought you were just making clear how bad Brother's drivers were.
Maybe it depends on the model? I just set it up on one a laptop a couple weeks ago and it only took like 10 minutes.
Once I figured that out, I made a SANE scan server that has the drivers, and I just point all my devices to that (SANE to SANE) and don’t even need to install the actual scanner drivers. It’s damn amazing.
Could you point me towards instructions on how to do that?
Did the same thing for mine. I've got one with ADF scanning, but it's only one-sided. So I simply wrote some script on my scan server that merges the current scan with the last scan if they have the same amount of pages and now I can easily scan stacks of paper with both sides. After that it goes through some compression and off to my NAS. Ah, love my pipeline, so glad how simple the printer's Linux drivers made it.
A "printer"? Oh right, those things we used to spray ink on dead trees back in the 20th century.
Come to Germany, the only country in the EU where paper usage is still going UP.
My (German) roomie's father called us a while back to excitedly tell us that his doctor has digitalised. By digitalised he meant that the doctor will fax any prescription he issues to whatever chemist the patient requests.
Here in Sweden, I log on to 1177.se to refill my prescription, usually a nurse will call me with some general questions, then I can log on to any chemist's website (both systems are tied to your national identity), and have the prescription delivered to my door the next day. I live in a small town of like 20k inhabitants too, so it's not like it's a big city only type thing.
We clearly have very perspectives on the term "digitalisation."
The home of Kafka still pumping out the paperwork I see.
Won't somebody please think of the poor dying deforestation companies?!?
99% of the usage my printer sees is German government bureaucracy, the rest is some other bureaucracy.
At least they dont need color.
You'd think, lol. I still find myself randomly needing to print randomly (and more often than I'd like).
I'm with you, but unfortunately our world is still filled with old fucks who still see paper (and by extension, wet signatures) as some sort of ultimate authoritative source
Source: I've worked in the financial industry before (and never again)
When I read a very long RFC, I’d rather read it as an ink sprayed dead tree than a PDF.
Have you thought about e-ink readers? There are ones you can write/draw with, and since I got mine I completely skip paper!
Interestingly a Lemmy user in another thread has a very negative view of Brother because he only uses Brother cutting machines (for craft projects) and it's filled with DRM and HP style lock in.
We need to lobotomize our "smart" devices ...
There need to be open source "smart" devices. Like, I've read and edited the source code running on my 3D printer. I was able to do that in my own home because it's got an Arduino Mega for a motherboard.
its why i dont like buying by brand, but rather specific product.
buying by brand gives companies a pass when they push out a shit product.
Their sewing machines are crap, too, from what I've heard. Shouldn't assume their whole product line is worthwhile.
Brother has already started to enshitify, Kyocera is an alternative company that does simple laser printers, with easy and cheap to source generic toners
Brother gets recommended a lot by virtue of being the least shitty option in the hellish wasteland of consumer/office printers. They aren't perfect, but Brother printers have been the only option in the entire office to reliably print from a Linux computer over the network. Honestly, any day I don't have to interact with a printer is a good day.
Just don't update the printer's firmware! Mine's being going great for years now, but I'm scared that I might accidentally update it and the toner will be labeled unauthorised
Greatest article ever: https://www.theverge.com/23642073/best-printer-2023-brother-laser-wi-fi-its-fine
Legit solid printer. Would highly recommend
In fairness you should do this on Windows as well.
95% of home printing needs can be handled by a mono laser. If you need a photo, usually cheaper to print it online or at a supermarket. Only for larger prints might it be cheaper to do it at home, and you'd better be sure to use it often because most inkjets clog like a motherfucker when not in use.
Yep. That's exactly what I do. I thought about a color laser, but even the Brother ones will not print if one of the colors is empty (or, at least at the time I was researching).
So I got a good mono one that covers 99% of my needs. For the few times I need to print in color, I just have that done somewhere for next to nothing. Typically those are photos, and what I get back are better than I'd have printed at home.
most inkjets clog like a motherfucker when not in use.
If you have an inkjet printer, even an expensive one, you have to leave it plugged in and in standby mode so it can do it's regular cleaning cycle.
A good middle-range inkjet printer (like a Canon MB2700) can be economical and durable; unfortunately most people's experience of inkjet are the ultra-cheap ones sold in big-box stores, sold at a loss, to sell over-priced cartridges, and not left plugged in/don't have cleaning cycles.
I have a 10 year old Canon MP280 still going strong. It's one of the ultra cheap ones, I believe originally sold for something like 20$ at a sale. The only problem it has nowadays is that it occasionally makes some ink blotches in a corner of the page.
Yup, bought an old office mono laser printer (its from OKI) for pretty cheap, I got one that can do duplex scanning and printing with a document feeder because I dont want to scan every page individually.
Put new cheapo toner in it after a bit because it only came with a little bit and with that new cartridge it will probably last at least 10 years with my print frequency.
If I would have bought a new ink printer with those features I would have paid much more (investment and running costs) and I would probably need to unclog it every time I want to print something.
Yeah I have an OKI. It's fine.
I do love my Brother:
And miss the ~2020 pricing! (But it should last a long time)
R.I.P. to my real brother though. Forever 29 because heroin.
As of this post, still happily using the initial starter toner ✅
RIP to your brother as well, I have a forever 36 brother due to meth.
Glad we can bond over these printers though!
I have a forever 29 brother due to someone lacing shit with fentanyl. My brother printer will probably live longer
My father had a Brother laser printer. It outlived him. (...Anyway. Have you ever had to do Windows tech support for family? Not always nice. Ever had to do Windows printer tech support? Hoo boy. Ever had to do Windows printer tech support when the printer is hooked through a Centronics-to-USB adapter? Uggh. ...though I was kind of surprised that Windows 10 still had built in drivers for the damn thing.)
Me, I bought a Canon laser which technically has Linux drivers but damn me if I ever got it to print more than the CUPS test page. ...actually I'd rather not talk about CUPS. I have too many bad memories about it. (You can't escape the Printer Madness just by using Linux, oh no.)
My father had a Brother laser printer.
So it was an Uncle laser printer?
(I’m sorry I’ll see myself out)
I always suspect printing/scanning is easier on linux because by default linux don't have a firewall by default (also driver is always included).
I was trying to setup a firewall on linux, the printing and scanning is as painful as windows if not worse. So now I just turn off the entire firewall if I want to print/scan. Fortunately, I rarely print or scan.
I'm a big proponent of buying government surplus office printers. I have this huge print center collater thing that came with more toner than I'll ever use in my life. $55
Oh gods yes. Government surplus equipment is amazing when you can find it.
My state used to send all their decommissioned IT equipment to a warehouse where the public could buy it. It was a wonderland. My first few laptops all came from there (was poor and that was the only way I could afford one).
About 5 years ago, though, they stopped that and only send old furniture there. Anything electronic now goes to some 3rd party e-waste service where it probably ends up in a landfill in some poor country.
Brother laser printers are good for everyone, not just Linux users.
Helped my gfs mom troubleshoot her HP printer (I know, ew. She bought it before we met) and finally figured out from the stupid app that it was out of one color.
The app doesnt indicate this in words though, Oh no. Just a stupid infographic that doesnt say ANYTHING. Just shows a nondescript bar at the top.
Only reason I downloaded it was i thought it would be a bit more user friendly.
Long story short I recommended a brother laser printer because the last time I replaced a cartridge in it was a couple years back and that was after printing things for god knows how long. And mine is old af.
Not just a Linux user, anyone that needs a printer/copier.
The only reason I ever got rid of my original brother laser printer is because computers stopped coming with parallel ports, and the adapters I tried all sucked.
2nd Brother laser printer is still going strong after 15yrs.
Heyyy, mine just turned 16. Cheers.
I think mine is at least over 15 (hl2150n released in 2007). It had 4 toner replacements so far. It gets used less and less. It could be that I still did not print a single page in 2024, don't remember.
Recently bought a Brother laser printer. We use Linux, macOS, Windows 11, Android and iOS in the house and it just works.
Preach it. Same boat same result.
Brother on Windows can be problematic
run a mixed network - have never had a single problem with my brother color laser from any device - win10, 11, mac, a bunch of different distros of linux.... android and ios phones.
what kind of problems have you had on windows?
Tbh, get a Brother printer for any OS. At least they don't buy into the shitfuckery that HP and others do with ink and firmware updates.
They are starting to now.
I'm not even a linux user. Just here to learn. Windows is my daily driver for work and play...
Still all my printers are brother lasers.
My oldest is around 10 years old still running on the same toner... Picked out of the trash from an office move even.
Laser printers are great, althought I've got me a Pantum because I don't anticipate printing more than one page a month.
This is the first I am hearing of this brand.
How does it fare when compared to, say, Brother?
I don't have a Brother to compare it to, but it works just fine to print and scan documents. I got it set up on wifi because I wanted to shove it into a corner where it won't get in the way, and it's working perfectly fine.
Although their android app sucks.
I've looked into them when buying a new printer. They're the cheapest laser you can buy, but the refills include the drums, which makes them way more expensive. They're also extremely small for a laser.
I ended up buying an epson ecotank, which is a lot slower than a laser, but it's still on the original ink after 800+ pages and it's never been problematic even if I leave it for a couple months without printing. Doesn't seem to clog up like others have reported
If you are a casual printer user, just use the local print shop. It's cheaper that way.
But then you have to go outside and shudders interact with people. Hard pass.
The last printer I got cost 40€. Print shops charge 10ct per copy. That’s 400 prints just to amortize the cheapest garbage printer you could buy 10 years ago. And the ink doesn’t last 400 prints. Owning a printer just doesn’t make sense.
Toner in laser printers is powder. Can't dry out what's already dry. If you get a brother laser printer, it will last forever.
You pay for the convenience.
I don't often need to print something, but when I do, it's usually outside of the opening hours of a print shop and I'm in a hurry.
(95% of my printing are fantasy RPG floor plans that I've downloaded literally 5 minutes before the players show up.)
Paid 55€ for my old used laser printer a few years ago and some toner for 20€, both will last me well over 700 pages, not to mention the time saved by not having to go to a print shop and I can print whenever I want, even on sunday (Germans know what I mean).
If I need to print something in color I could do it at work or at my fathers place, but that didnt even happen yet.
Went to the FedEx print shop a few months back. They directed me to a self help that wanted me to overpay or it wouldn't print anything (blocks of payments, like 5/10/15 but the thing I wanted was like 7.89). I asked if they could do it for me instead so I could just pay for the thing I want and they said yes but would charge I think it was 2 bucks for assistance, still cheaper than the other overcharge but wtf. Just going to a locally owned place from now on after that ridiculousness.
Or a library
I did that for years until I found myself in a job that frequently involves signing and scanning purchase orders. As I've spent six figures of company money on network hardware and other tech stuff over the past year you'd think we'd have an electronic solution for this and while most of it is done via SAP, our suppliers still often need an actual signature.
This is the way. I have a Brother B&W laser printer/scanner combo because I fairly regularly need to print/sign/scan/email forms for various things, but if I need something colour or really.good quality the local print shop is the way to go
Brother Laser
Ironically, the last time i needed a Windows PC was to set up my Brother laser printer. You needed to do it with some utility that was only available for Windows.
That's weird. I didn't have that issue with mine (though I've seen Canon and HP printers require something like that -- or a smartphone app).
Mine is an old 2013 model with ethernet and wifi. You could find it's DHCP address from the panel and configure everything through its web UI. It even lets you enter the wifi SSID/password on a very tiny, awkward onscreen keyboard lol
Yes, mine has one of those. I tried to set up the WiFi with that but that just drove me nuts.
My Brother printer was literally a barn find, it's still working too.
This has nothing to do with Linux. Do you want your printer to work? Are you buying a printer because you need to print things? It's simple.
Some of us buy printers because we have abuse and humiliation fetishes. My OfficeJet is the kinkiest product I own.
I had the same dilemma.
What worked for me was to buy an old, refurbished, commercial HP laser printer, without the subscription "features". I paid $75 and have saved that much in ink costs, just this year.
I just dragged out my wife's old college hp inkjet printer, and I was delighted to discover that it doesn't even have a networking function on it. No wifi and no ethernet. It's not even 10 years old.
Of course, to use it I have to be within usb-cord range, but small sacrifice for a printer that won't hold itself hostage over outdated credit card information.
I got a Brother Laser Printer from goodwill for dirt cheap that has run great for a long time, havent even put new toner in it yet.
I been through about 10 TN-450 cartridges in my Brother printer and can count on one hand how many jams I've had. And I'm pretty sure they were all because my kid would take paper out and leave a page sitting crooked in the tray.
Recently had to replace the drum.
Ha, nice. My one and only jam was because I completely failed at life trying to load an envelope.
Mines just been sitting in my closet hooked up for like 10 years now, she works whenever I need her.
I inherited a Brother laser printer from a lab I was once in. Apparently the toner only says it's almost out via an infrared sensor. I read you can tape over the part on the toner cartridge and it will keep printing until it actually runs out.
I've printed so many more things after I did that, it's actually still going now.
You can also disable that in the menu. I bought a brother printer and it said that the toner was empty so I purchased a new toner cartridge but then I disabled the warning and I'm still on the original toner. And I printed so much stuff with it, it's like it never runs out 😂
Good to know. Thanks for that.
tbh i like my canon mf3010, no useless crap, no wifi, it just prints and scans, there's no drm and cartridges last for a long time
made me realize I have had my brother printer for about 10 years now.
Same. I bought a 4-pack of toner refills with it. I'm on the 2nd one.
As other have said, brother and canon are probably your best bet. Nothing fancy is really needed, but just print.
Cannon will charge you an arm and a leg for ink. There are third parties but its a mixed bag with the DRM
Canon black and white laser. Our original toner lasted for years and years, well above it's rated number of pages. Not that we print a ton, but it was still impressive. The driver is a little flakey at times, but overall it's been a reliable wifi printer.
Looked down at my printer and realized it was a Brother. Didn't have to do anything special, it just worked.
Been using an old HP Laser printer for like forever and it still works pretty well. Havent had a single problem with it
old
laser
That's the key
Brother just has the most recent ones, but if you can find an old laser the brand almost doesn't matter.
Most of those old HP lasers were also office behemoths that, inflation adjusted, cost over $5000. They caused all sorts of problems in an office environment--the printer in Office Space was basically about those--but they work great for small family use.
I only ditched my 5si because Windows stopped shipping drivers. Could have hacked it, but I figured if there weren't drivers, people would slowly get rid of them, and the replacement toner market would disappear.
Same. Mine's 11+ years old, flawless. Even if it finally shits the bed, I can probably get a refurb kit for a few bucks.
I don't know, my Brother printed definitely has DRM/lock-in toner cartridges. And if only one of them gets too low the whole thing stops working. Still can't get double sided to work reliably
So I call bs on their fandom
It stops working until you walk over to it and reset the toner state to full, then it works fine.
At least, that's how mine manufactured 2 years ago works.
No luck for me, what is your model out of interest?
Only success I've had with using non Brother toner is swapping the small chip at the end of the 'fake' cartridge with an old 'genuine' one
Mine just broke and I was so upset :(
Brother kinda let me down recently, how can I trust any printer brands?
Yeah, I don't know what I'm going to do when this workhorse finally calls it quits.
Probably will stick with Brother but may have to see how much has changed with them in the last decade. AFAIK, they're still the least worst printer manufacturer.
lol so true, however I have had a Samsung color laser wifi printer for 10+ years, worked flawlessly in linux. It was years before they got bought by HP
"oh, I might look into those"
finishes reading your comment
"fuck you for playing with my heart like that, I've been hurt before"
I use an Epson EcoTank, and I love it. I can print photos (and have).
I finally convinced my wife to get a brother laser printer after she went through like 5 HP printers. We have had the thing for almost 10 years and just had to change the toner. I can print from every computer, tablet, and phone in the house with no issues.
It's bliss, isn't it?
I rarely need to print, but when I do, it's always something important - typically something I have to physically print, sign, and send back. I just click "print" and never worry about it. Haven't been let down in the 11 years I've had this one (except that one time it was out of paper lol).
Brother printers have been a recommendation under Windows users for a long time too already. Not that they're perfect either but pretty much everyone's fed up with the bullshit of the likes of HP.
I actually have a brother inkjet printer which works reasonably well under Linux. Inkjet printers in general are troublesome, so there's a cap on how well they can work under any operating system.
I could never figure out though how to receive faxes and the return receipts for sending them directly on the PC. There just seems to be a lack of modern, user friendly apps for this. I'm certain it's possible but the technical expertise is just beyond me.
And yes, I still use fax when communicating with government agencies. My country is a backwater when it comes to digitalization and faxes provide legal certainty just like registered mail. But unlike registered mail they cost next to nill.
Yeah, I've had printers with built-in fax before and those never worked right from PC (the fax part). I think the only time I had a working fax solution on my PC was a combo of one particular fax/modem card I had and whatever Windows Fax utility that came with windows 98. Other modems / software just didn't work at all.
Against the original joke, I'd recommend a samsung one, but their printer division has been bought by HP so…
I loved my old HP laser printer. It was 5+ years old when I got it and it lasted another 10. Had a HUGE toner cartridge that was relatively cheap if you got the knockoffs.
I currently have a Ricoh multifunction SP C261SFNw. It's not bad. Black toner cartridge doesn't have anywhere near the amount of pages I'd like but sure beats the cost of ink!
Is the Ricoh a home model? I only know of their business products which are both huge and $$$$ lol. Our office rotates between those and Kyocera depending on the refresh cycle.
I'm guessing it's a small office model. It has duplexing and 500 sheet capacity. I only paid $189.00 for it back in 2019 on Amazon. At that price point I couldn't resist for home.
It's available now for $2,998.00 on Amazon from a company called Top Amazing Deals(SERIAL NUMBER RECORDED) which has (1081 ratings) 50% positive over last 12 months. I'm sure they are trustworthy!
We bought an HP laser printer a few years ago.. it drives me crazy in that when it goes to sleep mode, it never recovers, meaning you have to power cycle it to get it to respond again. Once it's power cycled, it's .. fine, although I curse it anyway since it's 2024 and how can they still make printers that still do this shit.
Anyway.
In Windows, on my wife's and kids' Windows PCs, it works most of the time but was a huge pain to set up with the stupid apps.
On Android, it works most of the time after setting up stupid apps.
On my Linux desktops, it worked perfectly out of the box on both of them. I couldn't believe it. One desktop is Manjaro and the other is Mint
dot matrix printer or nothing at all
I remember trying to print HUGE gamefaqs guides on my dot matrix printer back in the day. Thing literally ran for over 24 hours to print some of the larger ones.
and printing out the long banners in the banner programs :)
I can still hear them.
And it was also cool that when it seemed like it was out of ink, you could pop open the cartridge, spray the ribbon with WD-40, and get another 200-300 pages out of it.
Teletype or bust!
This post is a reminder that I might have to take another look at used printers for sale, get something that won't suck whenever I need to print RPG character sheets and other stuff for tabletop gaming