The DMA already having an impact. Brave Browser installs surge after introduction of browser choice splash screen on iOS.

They're Apple users. They aren't used to making any decisions when it comes to how their phones work

Ok you get a free pass, make sure it doesn't happen again :)

Remember kids, if it's Chromium based, it's still part of the problem. The Chromium project only exists to provide the illusion of choice. Don't let Google have the power to dictate web standards at will.

True but if you use Vivaldi and then you try to go back to Firefox, it's like going back in the early 2000s. I always say this, Firefox should have been like Vivaldi. Super customizable and packed with features. Instead you have to rely on extensions and thus put your trust in the creator of said extension that they will not sell it. Heck even with extensions, trying to mimic the new tab page from Vivaldi is a masterclass in patience.

Not like uBlock Origin is a thing?
Can it really get better than that and consent-o-matic?

Firefox has no extensions so no Adblock.

That's because so far every browser on iOS had to use WebKit as it's HTML rendering engine, meaning that even if you installed another browser manually you were basically still using Safari under the hood. IIRC the new DMA rules include allowing other browser engines like Gecko, so Mozilla is probably already working on making addons available. I mean they are available on Android, so why wouldn't they make them available on iOS now that they finally can?

You can get one but not the other. Orion has been pretty solid for me, has all the lovey iOS integration so the happy chemicals Apple spent R&D on does it’s magic while blocking all sorts of things, but it’s closed source :/

Generally there are few privacy friendly/Foss browsers on IOS.

Um, Safari is so privacy friendly that Google regularly asks me if I'm human. For example it has "private relay" which is similar to TOR* so trackers don't even know your IP address — combine that with blocking third party cookies (and even some first party cookies) by default and providing false data to fight fingerprinting even if you don't block trackers entirely - and blocking them entirely is as simple as installing an extension. Private Relay also adds a layer of encryption on top of DNS queries and otherwise unencrypted http traffic.... so your ISP/Cellular provider/Work/School/abusive husband/etc can't track you

99.99% of the Safari's code is FOSS — dual licensed under LGPL and BSD.

It's not the browser I use - pretty lacking in the feature department, but it's definitely more pro-privacy than Brave or FireFox. I've never had to jump through a captcha to use Google in those browsers.

(* if anything, it's better than TOR... with that service there's a risk your entry/exit nodes are tracking you. With Private Relay it's always one of Apple's servers for the entry node and a reputable cloud company like Akamai for the exit node. Both would have to be compromised in order to identify you... maybe a nation state can do that, but a big data tracking company definitely can't)

Careful, if you try to advocate or defend Brave on Lemmy, you're stepping on a minefield.

The list is randomized, I've seen several screenshots with different order.

I mean it’s probably just alphabetical, but I wouldn’t know for sure.

Why does it suck though? Works fine for me. Granted, I’m a software engineer, but even looking through my “end user glasses”, I don’t see anything wrong with it.

I have very few issues with Firefox. I fine across a site that does not render properly maybe once every other month. I did have some resource issues with it in Windows 10 with it using too much RAM (regularly using 3-4GB) but that has been fixed since I switch to Linux.

Vivaldi is the best!

Currently trying out Floorp as a Firefox fork for the possibility that Google's disabling of adblockers in the manifest will make it impossible to use chromium browsers which is kind of good, too

But Vivaldi rules as long as chromium is an option!

This isn’t true, Safari has that exact extension

Yes, until he was ousted for being trash as a person.

This is on iOS. There is no Firefox (geko) or Chromium, there is only skins of Safari so your point is moot. For now.

Firefox and chromium both outperform Safari in performance tests, or roughly the same depending on the setup.

It's Safari that's the third rate browser. No one would use that shit if it hadn't been forced on them and if the other vendors weren't restricted by Apple.

There's a reason Apple stopped making Safari for other platforms. It never caught on, 'cause it sucks. Safari can't compete without Apple kneecapping the competition. They're like a sports team that can't win without playing on their home turf at 10000 ft altitude where they pump in crowd noise and drug the other team's gatorade

I feel like Firefox has made some really great strides on the performance front. Especially considering how bloated chrome has gotten as a comparison. But... Yeah that's valid. I love Firefox like 99% of the time but sometimes I'm almost forced to swap to Chrome to get a site to work correctly or reliably.

Firefox is fine on mobile in my eyes.

At least the Android version, even on my 5 year old Exynos phone it does what I need / want from a browser. Allows (some) extensions, lets me zoom wherever I want to on any page, has a reader mode and is snappy enough on old hardware.

Chrome tries to be / do far too much for me, just fuck off and let me browse the web. I do like the dynamic colours that Chrome on mobile uses on different webpages, is hot.

However Chrome gives me dirty Microsoft vibes, and it's pretty hard to shake that stank.

If your on iOS welcome to the walled garden. Hope you live in the EU.

I just have a shitty phone. Lol don't buy a Pixel 6. (Unless you pick it up really cheap for temporary use)

But Brave has superb AdBlocking capabilities compared to every other browser for iPhone

It is the same on android, it even lets me watch youtube vids without ads and in the background.

Better than Kiwi?

Firefox has adblockers on mobile

Check out Orion! Firefox and Chrime add on support.

Edit: Also like Vivaldi. If you want device wide I can highly recommend NextDNS

I’ve been using Safari + AdGuard for a while and I don’t remember seeing any ad.

It allows Google to continue controlling the Internet.

On IOS Brave is the only big browser with competent adblock afaik until/unless Firefox gets extensions going.

Safari + AdGuard gave me no issues so far.

I'm not sure if fennec has it, it's the core Firefox android build that is not published to the store.

There are crypto ads involved in the product though? Fuck that, even if it was default off

an offline breakout game

Cope and Seethe

No.

*Links article about one of the best takes ever made by an online company

Wild

Are you saying you don’t like Firefox because they don’t like propaganda?

IMO, this makes it look even worse.

The total numbers are so small that the shape of the line barely matters. 7-10k installs daily? In the mobile browser market? There are plant identification apps with better numbers.

I see a k following the numbers, so I'm assuming that's total number of downloads.

Article states installs per day

That's new daily installs though, so cumulative number. I don't think they're trying to draw a comparison, just show the increase.

It’s common practice to cut the y axis, did you guys not cover that in visualisation?

This graph gives the impression that the total installation number has been multipliés x4 or X5 while it is not the case when looking at the raw numbers.

Any variation can look impressive if you zoom enough, that's why you need a baseline at 0. This way you see thé entire scale of the phenomenon

It’s meant to illustrate a change and it does so perfectly fine

Define "perfectly fine". It is clearly exaggerating the change. At a glance it looks more like a 5 times increase, not a 30% increase.

Did you know that disco record sales were up 400% for the year ending 1976, if these trends continue...AY!

It’s a 32-34% increase looking at the graph

But you don't get that percentage from looking at the graph. You get that from looking at the numbers.
The graph height increases by 300% in the last 3 months 9 days.

You could say the same about a 0.001 difference if you zoom in on the y-axis. You don't know what you're talking about.

True.

....in europe

I'm seeing a lot of down votes but no counter arguments.

9.33262154 × 10157% is a pretty sick increase, all things considered.

I guess, but it's like a 2 foot high fence

Did the same on iOS… not a huge difference. Download app from store, set as default.

Same here but it's not Firefox with its own Engine, it's a Firefox frontend for WebKit with some of Apple's restriction.

While we can, we should reject those sites and program them to the standards.
Including that some features are optional.

I have Firefox set up and never was the in-app browser firefox

How I know? I have dark reader active on those pages and usually websites don't reflect system primary settings.

They apply after you shut them off

Nah. I hear your complaint but look up any stock ticker. Starting at 0 would simply cause too much white space and make it hard to see movements.

The y-axis is clearly labeled allowing us to see that it’s about a 40% jump.

No the axis shows a detailed increase with clearly stated numbers. This is just the first impression.

We are not talking about Apple graph madness

Not really, no. You use a point of reference that's clearly labeled. If you'd start the graph at zero, you would just end up with a lot of dead space.

Yeah, I'm sure a lot of people are trying it out. I'm curious what the other options look like and how many continue using them after the initial install.

no one reads that. didn't even bother to look. should be more transparent IMO but whatever

Cool icon? iOS users? Surely not!

I was a bit confused too. So all that's changed is a specific splash screen during new phone setup prompting the user to pick a default browser?

I don't think people can develop a browser engine that fast, and apple is still scrambling to figure out the least amount of compliance to avoid legal trouble.

So I doubt they are using a different engine at this moment.

makes sense