11mo ago

Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup

thehill.com Americans, mostly women, are becoming more liberal: Gallup

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup. The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the cou…

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years, but women are becoming even more liberal, according to Gallup.

The survey data, released Wednesday, shows that while the country remains largely center-right, the percentage of those identifying as or leaning liberal has increased over the past three decades, and is now just 1 percent under it’s all-time high.

Roughly 36 percent of adults identify as conservative, 25 percent as liberal and the rest identify as either moderate or unsure, according to the poll.

When broken down by gender ideology, women in the youngest and oldest age groups said they were more likely to identify as liberal.

Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.

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Weird, it's almost like electing the pussy grabber in chief turned women off from the Republican party. Strange how that happened. There's also the whole Roe vs. Wade thing literally killing women.
- Roe versus Wade is not literally killing women. Hyperbole of the century.
  
  Yeah, and what do you call a high risk pregnancy that would normally have ended in abortion? Now women are forced to carry the pregnancy (viable or otherwise) to term putting their health and lives at risk.
  Educate yourself on what’s going on before spouting nonsense.
  
  One in 3,000 women die from pregnancy or birth complications in the US each year.
  Making women remain pregnant inevitably causes deaths.
  
  A friend of mine was hospitalized due to a pregnancy complication. Fortunately we live in a state where abortion is still legal so they were able to perform an emergency abortion and save her life. She was still hospitalized for a week. If we lived in one of several states where it's not legal she would have died, no question. The doctor literally told her so. So no, it's not hyperbole, it has happened, is happening, and will continue to happen as long as abortions are illegal.

Who woulda thought that taking away women's rights for their own bodies would have blowback?
- They're probably just about now realizing they should have taken away the right to vote first, the right to self-determination second. Rookie mistake.
- These people don't see women as people, so I'm sure they're shocked.
- According to the recent Financial Times article, it isn't just the US. This is a global phenomenon so it is more than abortion.
- Your rights end where another person's rights begin. An unborn child is a person. And when you have to weigh a trolley problem when the mother's health is in life-threatening risk it's a serious thing that you have to consider. Abortion should be legal for situations where the mother's health is in literal life-threatening risk but even then it's a very serious choice.
  
  Even if we grant you your invalid position, you are still wrong. So close. You claim the unborn person has rights, but so did the mother.
  In no legal jurisdiction in the United States is one person ever required to give up their bodily autonomy for another. This the mother, according to your argument, is under no legal obligation to provide the other person, according to your argument, the mothers body for any reason. If the mother wishes to discontinue the use of her body she can. If the other person dies as a result of this decision, the mother bears no responsibility.
  This is well understood case law and common law.
  GTFO with this terrible argument.
  
  A fetus is not a person its a collection of cells. It's not up to you to weigh any problem. It's up to the woman and their doctor.
  
  An unborn child is a person.
  You realize this is where Democrats fundamentally disagree with you, right?
  
  Please stop talking out of your ass

The American political system has done nothing but ratchet to the right for about a hundred years.
It's so far right that people think liberals are left wing. That shit is center right lmao
- That was my thought when they said X identified as conservative, Y liberal, the rest moderate or unsure.
  How about none of the above since they're all right of center?
  
  Are you guys referring to the labels as applied to the Democratic party, or the people who self-identify as one or the other?
  Because while I think it's generally fair that the Democratic party is center-right (largely absorbing any half-relevant positions Republicans once had), self-identifying liberals especially of youth and women probably are leftist despite colloquially referring to liberal. In that respect I'd imagine most of these people are effectively Social Democrats by European standards; meaning a mixed bag of regulated markets combined with a strong national government and select nationalized industries (eg, medical insurance). Basically the Nordic Model.
- How many environmental regulations were there in 1924? How many black people could vote? Child labor laws? Could you vote in primaries, or did party bosses in literal smoke filled rooms choose a candidate? Could states shut down newspapers and ban non-Christians from holding office?
  If we go back about ten more years, women can't vote, and Senators are still chosen by state legislators rather than a popular vote.
  Why are leftists so quick to forget their successes?
  
  For real; that comment was either made by a child, or someone severely ignorant of history
- This is a pet peeve of mine: the term “liberal” has gone through a semantic shift in the US. It used to mean “generally left leaning”. I think maybe the word “progressive” has taken on this role now.
  I think the confusion comes from the fact that many European languages always used the cognates of “liberal” to mean “free market”, I.e. “economically conservative”. This is also how the term is used in some academic fields, like economics. But this is precisely the opposite of the other meaning!
  It’s pretty clear the article is using the first meaning. They even use “leaning left” interchangeably with “liberal”.
  My theory is that since Americans have been interacting with Europeans more online since the 2000s, the terms have become conflated.
- To not spam same text I will link it
- Liberals/democrats ARE left wing. Always have been. By definition the term is based on seating arrangements during the French Revolution. Democrats have always been considered left wing, just as republicans have been right wing. It’s just that now:.: the tankies think they own the term.
  However- in reality… the FAR LEFT has distanced itself so far from the left wing that it doesn’t even resemble what it began as.
  
  I think you might be misunderstanding the French Revolution. By the time those seating arrangements were in place there weren't any conservatives left. The ones on the right were the Liberals the ones on the left were the leftists. The girondins were in no way conservative. The mountain was in no way liberal.
  
  the FAR LEFT has distanced itself so far from the left wing that it doesn’t even resemble what it began as.
  Yeah they've really gone off the rails with this whole "don't block strikes" and "don't support genocide" nonsense. /s
  
  The Republicans used to be the more liberal party. The parties literally swapped platforms at one point.
  https://www.studentsofhistory.com/ideologies-flip-Democratic-Republican-parties
  
  I'm sorry friend, any knowledge of history or political science is not allowed on Lemmy. You can choose either edgy leftist fan service or a series of escalating bans.
  
  You're absolutely correct. But I would say on a global scale the American Democrats are still centrist because they embrace managerial capitalism.
  They're not even really social Democrats like you see in Europe.

Well conservatism, especially in the US, is extremely hostile to women, so that makes sense. It's also hostile to a bunch of other outgroups. And the environment. And truth.
- Conservative women confuse the hell out of me. Like conservative brown people.
  I grew up in the South, moved to California. Started working with a Latino, who loved guns and idolized the South. Had a rebel flag and everything. He heard my accent and decided we must become friends. I had to very gently inform him that the people he idolizes would gladly tie him to the backs of their trucks and drag him to the Mexican border.
  He later decided to throw in with the only other pro-gun group in California: Antifa/far left anarchists, and he seemed much happier with them lol
  
  Confusing to me too.
  My black friends supporting trump because Biden is "no better", and when I dig deeper, they parrot inaccurate statements from idiot influencers.
- Pure anecdote but I think it's representative of the bigger shitshow Republicans brought upon themselves:
  My MIL voted for Trump in 2016 and was a lifelong Republican. Because she has two daughters and is quite a proponent of strong independent women, after seeing the reversal of Roe and watching The Handmaid's Tale, she is now fervently anti-Republican.
  After seeing that sudden paradigm shift in beliefs, it gave me a little hope. It also proves yet again that when Republicans actually get to implement the policy they want, it is deeply unpopular.
  
  I mean it's good that she changed her mind but it's a little disappointing it took trump and abortion bans for her to connect the dots. Better than nothing I guess.
- If it was hostile to rich people, it would be gone by now.
- That's just nonsense. I don't agree with the conservative movement either but how is it hostile to women? Let alone extremely hostile.
  
  Abortion ban with no exceptions as the other person said. That's dangerous and cruel.
  Some are against no fault divorce. That's insane. That's going to keep people in abusive relationships. That can affect men too but is more common in women.
  Deny any gender gaps in pay or other economics. If you refuse to acknowledge a problem, it's unlikely you'll remedy it.
  Some members seem to think women having the vote was bad, if I remember that Thiel essay correctly.
  Generally anti inclusion and diversity stuff.
  Frequent apologists for rapists.
  At best are indifferent to sexual harassment as a problem.
  Bad on social programs, so downstream from that you have like childcare. That affects men, too, but I think via tradition that affects more women.
  Bad on child leave. More laws granting maternity and paternity leave is not a conservative position.
  That's just shooting from the hip. I'm not prepared to write a well researched essay on my phone on the train at this time, sorry.
  
  Abortion ban without exceptions
  
  Most of Lemmy only knows what conservatism is based on the strawman they get from other lefties, and even if they did know what conservatives actually believe, the vast majority of Lemmy users are incapable of evaluating someone else's viewpoint on its own terms; they will declare it internally inconsistent when it is merely inconsistent with their own values.
  You're asking a question with the presumption of empathy. That makes you a good person. It also makes you an outcast here.

Well fucking vote like it then.

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years
Pfffffffffff... 😂🤦‍♀️
The American political landscape doesn't even have the left on it.
In all honesty, it's really fucking depressing that despite the blatant and open attack by one party on women's rights, and the complete impotence of the other to restore, or hell, even fucking address what bare minimum rights they once had, outside of a campaign speech, more women haven't realised that no one in the system is serving them, and shift to the actual left, but sadly the propaganda seems just too powerful (or on some cases, the other privileges still too comfortable to risk, even in the face of loss of autonomy to the state).
- This is true for wide swaths of the people. The black community is famously ignored by the Democratic party, since the party knows that their opposition would re-implement segregation or even slavery if they could. Similar for LGBT+, native Americans, and so on.
  I'd say it's also bad for the right. If you actually believe what the Republicans in the late 20th century claimed that they believed about conservative values (self-reliance, law and order, nuclear family values, and so on) then you have nowhere to vote but the dumpster fire of the Trump party
  
  Except it isn't bad for the right, it's designed by them to be this way - it's one of the ways in which the they get the Overton window to shift more and more and more to the right.

Liberal is still too far right.
It's high time we had a strong labor movement in this country.
- This poll seems to be focused on social conservative vs liberal, not economic liberal vs leftist
  
  Why people oppose liberals to conservatives? Opposite of conservatives are reformists, not liberals.
- You will need to break decades of propaganda ops pushing the idea that labor is equivalent to socialism/communism or at least attached to the forces of evil in some form or another, or that a union is an evil money stealing organization that the ruggedly individualist American should never submit to.
  It will likely be easier to wait for the misinformed generations to simply die out than actually affect that sort of change.
  
  This is the page I’m on. I’ve tried to convince my neoliberal parents that: unions are not lazy across the board, that taxes are a heavier burden on the poor than the rich, that China doesn’t have cockroaches infesting every inch of their cities, the violence of the American military, the corruption that exists within our government (on the liberal side), the similarities between conservative and liberal economic policy, etc..
  You get tired after a while.

They mean to say women don't want their bodies regulated by men that don't know a damn thing about how a woman's body works. Like that fucking idiot Republican politician who's also veterinarian and said he's done thousands of ultrasounds on pregnant animals and that makes him an authority on women's bodies. Like how the fuck do you make that jump in your head?
- By equating women to livestock...
  
  That clearly makes him a cannibal.

American political ideology as a whole has shifted left in recent years
What the fuck is this bullshit. This is the opposite of what has happened.
- On the whole, the American public is shifting left (view how polls reflect generally more progressive positions compared to elected officials). The vocal minority are shifting right.
- Don't mistake a loud and obnoxious minority for a larger group than they are.
  Honestly I see a lot of moderates getting burned by conservatives these last 12 years. Biden got literally the largest popular vote of any president of all time. That's something to consider.
  
  People didn't vote for Biden, as much as they voted against Trump.

Point to the effective alternatives that aren't hell bent on turning women back into domicile slaves.
I'll wait.
- You say that as if regressive women don't yearn for the yoke of their husband's domination.
  
  Just because something gets you off, doesn't mean that's the way real life should work.
  
  You got me, I laughed pretty hard
- The country that no longer exists? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_parasitism_(offense)
  Wierd noone mentined it in 15 hours.
  P.S. I think goal of zero unemployment is shit, but you asked example.
  
  2 days passed, you made post 5 hours ago. It seems you are rather impatient.

Because if you're even remotely educated on what's going on, you'd realize republicans are just objectively evil. They are not even a political party. If anything, liberals are right wing, and republicans are just devil spawn.
- That doesn't explain gender divergence.
  
  The party actively working to disenfranchise people who aren't men is losing the support of people who aren't men. That bit seems self-explanatory.
  
  active marketing by republicans as clearly outlined by steve bannon does

might be more fair to say “women in the US are becoming less inclined to support a dumpster fire like the self-identified modern Conservative Party”.
- Just don't forget there are some regressive women that actively want to return to the days of 'barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen'.
  Just like some black people still vote republican for some reason.
  There's no explaining everyone.

conservatives by their actions want women either pregnant or at home taking care of children, whether they are theirs or someone else's, or both. they especially want them silent and totally reliant on their men since hod forbid they get paid for their work.
liberals want to provide equal rights and equal opportunity.
from my perspective, if you aren't white, male, wealthy and christian, I don't know know why you are a republican since the party doesn't care about you.

And the women who aren't liberal are simply fucking morons. There is no other excuse for supporting the party that so openly hates your gender.
- What if some of them are communists that prepare revolution after which they will establish UHC, universal higher education and UBI?
  
  I guess I should be clear that I mean the ones that are conservative Republicans are all morons lol

Americans, mostly Republicans, are becoming more fascist.
- Becoming? As in they wern't?

Does this poll support for left/right policies or just labels?
I suspect if you properly formulate and frame questions on political issues you'd end up with the US being far left.
- Yep. I think the american public lacks words for what they align with. I also think most of the population would lean left if it weren't for all the popaganda. But I think a lot...
- Then you're in a partisan bubble. The US is not even close to far left, I don't think you could even fake it with leading questions. There are far left people but there are a lot of far right and yet more center-right people too.
  
  the terms mean nothing any more, by design.
- Huzzah! More my own copy-pasta!
  American "left": maybe we shold do some student debt relief? Just a tini-tiny. If you don't mind.
  Rest of the world right: universal education, more funding!
  Rest of the world center: universal education, state must provide students with everything(including housing and food) so they don't worry about anything else other than learning, state must provide teachers with everything(including decent salary) so they don't wory about anything else other than teaching, state must provide universities with all necessary equipment, buildings must be maintained in good condition(so ceiling wouldn't fall on students' and teachers' heads)!

I need my copy-pasta again:
American "left": maybe we shold do some student debt relief? Just a tini-tiny. If you don't mind.
Rest of the world right: universal education, more funding!
Rest of the world center: universal education, state must provide students with everything(including housing and food) so they don't worry about anything else other than learning, state must provide teachers with everything(including decent salary) so they don't wory about anything else other than teaching, state must provide universities with all necessary equipment, buildings must be maintained in good condition(so ceiling wouldn't fall on students' and teachers' heads)!

Women ages 18-29 were 40 percent more likely to be liberal in 2023, a slight decrease from 41 percent in 2022 and 44 percent in 2020, but still higher than the 30 percent in 2013. Those ages 65 and older were 25 percent more likely to identify as liberal — a slight increase from the 21 percent reported in 2013.
But women of that age group need to vote! Seniors turnout is historically higher than the younger age groups and that trend needs to change.
- Seniors will always have the retirement advantage, where they actually have time again in their lives to participate in politics.
  All the more reason why its so important to push get-out-to-vote campaigns for younger people. Its the young 20-year-olds who are worried about their kid's activities or work, or things that would get distracted and forget to vote.
  
  Also, look up any laws that benefit voting ability. For example, in Texas, employers are required by law to grant people two hours of paid time off to vote (unless you have two consecutive hours to vote outside of work).
  There's also almost always early voting, and the lines are often incredibly short. Basically, look up your options and make a plan. Voting is vital, now more than ever.

False. The entire political spectrum of the US has shifted right, and people haven't changed a bit. They just noticed.
- It seems to me that for the most part, the conservatives have become more extreme and as a result people are saying "I guess I'm a liberal now".
  
  There’s been recent studies that show Millennials (my generation) aren’t getting more conservative as they get into middle age. And while I don’t think I’m getting much more conservative, if at all, part of me wonders if it’s more that the party of conservatives is just outpacing us in their mad dash to the right.
  Like, I definitely have some further-left ideals and some more moderate-left ones, but damn if the conservatives aren’t going full auth-right faster than I can moderate my views to even see where they’re coming from.

I would say that you are an idiot/corrupt/rich if you are a conservative woman/black/LGBT/minority

Reading articles like this always remind me of this The Dollop about a teacher who essentially created a cult to demonstrate how Hitler was able to convince people to go along with Fascism that they might otherwise be opposed to.
EDIT - And now I know.you need to use %29 to escape the closing bracket on the url markdown.

Too bad "liberals" are still center right.

i'm not in this demographic, but i have also become more 'liberal' as time goes on.. and i started as a progressive minnesota DFLer.

Not gonna matter when the dumbasses elect a fascist rapist criminal.....
Edit. This dumbass can't spell..

Unless I’m reading those graphs on the Gallup page wrong, the only two groups with an upward movement at the end are old women and young men? Everyone else was shown as decreasing from previous highs.
https://news.gallup.com/poll/609914/women-become-liberal-men-mostly-stable.aspx

The United States as a whole has been shifting towards progressive policies since its creation... as has the whole world.
- Before its creation, people were much more egalitarian. Native American women could control their own bodies.
  Sure things look good when you start right after the last huge anti-egalitarian shift.
  
  And even in more recent times, the pendulum has swung back and forth. FDR put massive public works programmes in place that would never get funding today, and LBJ (despite, y',know, fucking up his entire legacy in Vietnam) introduced Medicare, which would be derided as socialist today. Reagan was a massive backslide, both objectively and in comparison.
  
  Pre-columbian Americans kept each other as slaves for centuries..at the very least. So the lie that native American women controlled their own bodies is a slap in the face of the countless who were kept as slaves. Egalitarian...hardly.

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Huzzah! More my own copy-pasta!