Happened to me multiple times

Yt-dl - > yt-dlp

YT-DL is greater than YT-DLP?

Edit: Oh, it’s an arrow. Got it.

Simplemobiletools --> Fossify is pretty epic

Do the Fossify versions already have new features? I'll still using Simple Mobile Tools from F-Droid, without ads, and am asking if it makes sense to download Fossify apps already
- No big changes yet afaik but its a good idea to switch anyways
- Better UI but no video editing for gallery
- Mostly minor improvement, such as the fossify phone app grouping by date in the call history
- Looks like simple mobile tools is unmaintained

The unmaintained repo has a link in the readme pointing to the best fork

My dad comes home with the milk
- Lmfao
This is the problem, making the fork known to the userbase of the original software. When the Atom text editor was killed by Microsoft we decided to fork it as Pulsar but it was an uphill struggle to really get the word out. We got a massive boost when the youtuber Distrotube featured us in an episode and again with an itsfoss article but we still routinely find people who have been using Atom without knowing we even exist.
- TIL Pulsar exists
- You found some more by commenting about it now.
  
  But if the fork is on GitHub there are some ways to search for the most maintained forks, albeit not with the GitHub tools which is unfortunate
- Wow, first time I'm hearing about this. Gonna check it out ty.

Keep in mind that software doesn't have an expiry date. If a piece of software is unmaintained and doesn't have an active fork but it still fulfills your use case and doesn't have any major issues, there's no need to replace it. Some of the software I use hasn't seen any updates in five years but I still use it because it still works.

Edit: As an example, a lot of people still use WinDirStat even though the latest release 1.1.2 is now 17 years old.

I'd say that problems mostly come from the need to update dependencies in case of vulnerabilities being discovered. But not every software needs elevated privileges or can become a vector of attack, I guess
- If a software is compromised to allow remote code execution, then the situation is pretty dire even without elevated privileges.
  
  Basically your entire userspace will be compromised, and in terms of personal computing that is pretty much all you can lose.
Desktop - Linux - Yes, likely. If not, here's a flatpak
Desktop - Windows - Maybe it still runs in a compatibility mode?
Desktop - iMac - Here's an emulator, good luck.

Mobile - PostMarketOS - Yes, likely. If not, here's a flatpak
Mobile - Android - Maybe? Try it and see if you get permission denial
Mobile - iPhone - Fuck you, no.
- Windows is pretty good with backwards compatibility, probably the best out of anything. I can run Visual Basic apps I wrote in the early 2000s on Windows 11 and they still run fine. Some old 32-bit games work fine too. You can even run some 16-bit Windows 3.0 apps on 32-bit Windows 10 if you manually install NTVDM through the Windows features (it was never ported to 64-bit though)
  
  Linux is okay for backcompat but I'm not sure an app I compiled 20 years ago would still run today.
- Wait, flatpak works on PostMarketOS?
WinDirStat works but is super slow though. WizTree is a much better modern equivalent.
- I do like Wiztree, but WinDirStat is still pretty common to see. The 2005 version of WinDirStat still gets around 60,000 downloads per week according to the Sourceforge stats. https://sourceforge.net/projects/windirstat/files/windirstat/1.1.2 installer re-release (more languages!)/stats/timeline
  
  I was just using it as an example of old software that people still use :)
Isn't WizTree a lot faster?
- It is. I was just using WinDirStat as an example of an old app that people still use. The 1.1.2 release from 2005 is still downloaded 60,000 times per week according to the stats on the Sourceforge download page.
- I use windirstat almost monthly and have never heard of WizTree. Keeping this in mind for next time I use it.
  
  Though at this point, maybe I should just commit honestly

It may be a game, but....

Pixel Dungeon -> Shattered Pixel Dungeon

SPD is already pretty good though, why is PD better?
- PD is the original, SPD is the fork

youtube-dl moment

The fork is yt-dlp
It's still in the Debian repositories, but no yt-dlp yet. Rest in peace youtube-dl
- Wow, Debian is that slow?

Gitea -> Forgejo, e.g.

Yeah Fogejo is amazing. Moved all my personal projects from GitLab to Codeberg recently. Wish I knew about it sooner
I want to like Forgejo but the name is really terrible.

Is it "forj-joe"? Nah, that double-J sound is way too awkward.
Do you then merge the J sounds to make "forjo"? If so, why not just call it that?
Is it maybe "for-geh-joe"? That seems the most likely to me, but then that ignores the "build < forge" marketing on their website.

I know it's pretty inconsequential, but it feels weird using a tool that you don't even know how to pronounce the name of.
- There is an official pronounce on the site. It comes from Esperanto anyway.
- Yeah, like the other person mentioned, the origins of the word and its pronunciation are the very first thing in the FAQ on their website. It's pronounced more like for-jey-oh.
What happened to gitea?
- afaik it got bought by some company and people fear that there will be anti-user changes like with all the other open source projects that were bought by a company in recent years.
Is that really the case? I selfhost gitea and am pretty happy with it.
- They’re both pretty on par for the most part. If it’s too much of a hassle, there’s no real need to switch.
  
  Now that Gitea is owned by a for-profit company, people are afraid that they’ll be making anti-user changes. This, Forgejo was born. It pulls from Gitea weekly, so it’s not missing anything. It’s also got some of its own features on top, but they’re currently pretty minor. Also, most of the features end up getting backported back to Gitea, so they’re mostly on par with each other. However, many features find themselves in Forgejo first, as they don’t have the copyright assignment for code that Gitea does. Additionally, security vulnerabilities tend to get fixed faster on Forgejo. They are working on federation plans, however, so we’ll see how that pans out.
  
  Overall, there’s no downside of switching to Forgejo, and you’ll probably be protected if Gitea Ltd. makes some stupid decisions in the future. However, at the moment, there’s no immediate advantage to switching, so you can stick with Gitea if you’d like.
Gitea is still maintained though?
- They got bought so people jumped ship, I haven’t heard anything bad personally

OpenOffice -> LibreOffice

StarOffice -> OpenOffice -> LibreOffice
Really, why? I don't known OpenOffice, so I'm just curious.
- Oracle happened to OpenOffice.
- The original OpenOffice is no longer in development. LibreOffice is an active fork of that.

yo but tbh this gets old.

i just want my stuff to update without me having to find out a year later its unmantained and had a fork all along.

or having to watch the repositories of stuff i use for signs it might be unmantained. i didnt know half the (popular!) stuff mentioned here was abandoned then forked.

libforknotifier when (or even how)?

Yeah, it would be nice if it was easier for devs to just turn over the project to an "official" fork. Unfortunately, I'm sure that would get abused by scammers taking over projects forcefully and adding in malware before anyone notices.
- You're spot on with the latter, I've come across a few projects over the years where the ownership is transferred and it's then loaded up with malware or even just instantly abandoned again because the new owner just wants it on their GitHub to get a job or something.
- I am pretty sure you can transfer ownership of a repo on GitHub.
I've kept away from some projects because it's just a single dev doing 99.9% of the contributions.

Even better when someone forked it away from proprietary, closed-source, publicly-traded, for-profit, US-based, account-required, training-AI-on-your-code-then-selling-it-back-to-you Microsoft GitHub forge/social media network often with vendor lock-in to some other forge without all that BS.

There's no lock-in whatsoever on Github.. And it's free for open source projects..

And no account is required unless you're submitting code..

The only valid thing here is the Github AI training honestly, but there is no reason to believe they can't scan code from other repo's.

Also, its only a matter of time until Microsoft gets sued for it
- only a matter of time until Microsoft gets sued
  
  https://githubcopilotlitigation.com/ it’s been ongoing
  
  no account is required unless you're submitting code
  
  it’s free
  
  Submitting issues & discussions require an account. Using the search for code requires an account. On Lemmy this week there was also a post about viewing “Discussions” & “Wiki” being A/B tested or whatever with an account required to view. Which is to say, if submitting patches, issues, & or using some features requires giving up personal info & agreeing to Microsoft’s ToS to create an account, you have locked out users & their freedom isn’t respected if their autonomy to not create an account with a company known for predatory behavior cannot be respected.
  
  lock-in
  
  Users locked out sucks, but so does lock in. Sure you can set a non Microsoft GitHub remote & push to it, but I’m talking about the forge on whole rather than the tool that backs it. The more Microsoft GitHub features you rely on, the more the existance of a ./.github directory’s or otherwise gets cited as being too hard to move. As more features get locked behind authentication, so will the APIs that allow some ability to migrate. GitHub were the popularizers of the “pull request” model too which is severely limiting but is the only way you can operate on their site (no stacked diffs, mailing patchsets, etc.) which eliminates alternating review methods (while you could use a third-party, due to MS GitHub’s ingrained workflow to too many, I’ve seen alternatives being considered as “too hard” rather than “different” (even if could be “better”)). I’ve also witnessed some communities like Elm freeload on the “free” hosting & require all community packages be upload to only MS GitHub or you can’t publish & by proxy participate in the community (or in their case even refer to other remotes, VCSs, tarballs for packages (even private ones) but that is due to Elm having a terrible default package manager).
  
  They’ve embraced a Git forge; they’ve extended the space with Codespaces, Sponsors, Actions, Copilot, even VS Code proliferation far beyond pre-acquisition GitHub; now we just await the extinguish part.

it's a wonderful feeling when that happens!

I don't usually get my hopes up, but yes, it is a wonderfull feelling when it happens.
- yea pls dont get your hopes up

"PIN number"

vs.

"FOSS software"

Who'd win in a fight?

ATM Machine
- Chai tea
- ...to mouth machine?
Personal PIN number.
- Why not your personal identification PIN number? Gotta be specific. Your personal PIN number is just the one you like, but it identifies nothing. Same with the identification PIN number. It identifies something but not sure what. And a personal identification PIN, well, it identifies someone, and uses a number somewhere.
Oh man, I want to use a longer pin for my card so badly.

From what I understand, the banks mostly support it, the problem is that not all point of sale does. Those terminals are frequently cobbled together with some pretty garbage software and if it's hard-coded to four digits, whelp, good luck. I hope tap is working.... Or NFC or something because otherwise, you're SOL.
- Try it out. You may find out that your bank supports much longer pins, but only uses the first four digits anyway.
The Personal identification number number
DNS system?

Jellyfin

I keep hearing this, but my emby server has been running strong for a few years now without issue. My only gripe with it is the emby premiere ads that take up a lot of home screen space, but I got rid of it with custom CSS that you can put in emby settings, doesn't even show up on the phone app anymore.

I've heard Jellyfin implemented features that emby puts behind a paywall too, but I'm not sure what. Care to fill me in on what I'm missing?
- I've no experience with Emby but the fact you're talking about ad workarounds and paywalls and subscriptions leads me to believe you owe yourself to at least try out jellyfin. It has none of that.
- I have never seen home screen ads on mine..
  
  Only thing I see is the continue prompt before watching
Does Jellyfin have:

Music filtering/smart playlists?
Sonic analysis?
Good 4k/x265 performance?
A third party (or built in) utility that shows me streaming usage per person?
Allows me to limit remote users to streaming from a single IP address at a time?
Let’s me watch something together with another remote user?
Has an app for most any device (like Plex or Emby) that does NOT require sideloading?
Has built in native DVR steaming/recording support?
Two factor authentication?
Doesn’t default new clients to 720p for remote streaming?

When it does, I’ll switch.

Synergy -> Barrier

Does it have Wayland support yet?
- No, but Lan Mouse does! https://github.com/feschber/lan-mouse
- Tried it with a macOS server and gnome client, it worked but I could not see the mouse cursor. Maybe it's because my laptop has a touch screen, I didn't bother looking into it further.
I actually paid for synergy because I was using it extensively back in the day (probably about 10 years ago? Maybe less? IDK. Long enough that I don't care to remember when); and after an update I realized the windows service portion had a bad memory leak. I don't reboot my PC very often, so I kept getting memory errors despite having more memory than the average (I believe it was 24G at the time, when 8G was considered "good" instead of it being the bare minimum that it is now).... I couldn't even always fix it by restarting the service, since it was some kind of memory mapped file or something that was causing the problem, so it didn't register normally that the process was consuming the space. The only way to fully resolve the problem was to disable the service (or remove the software) and restart. So I abandoned synergy for a long time because I wasn't sure when they would actually recognize the problem and fix it.

I got a notice late last year that synergy had updated and my license was going to be given a free upgrade so I could use the newer version at no extra cost, so I figured it would be a good time to try it again, and I had a situation come up in December (ish) where I actually wanted to see if I could get it working; I couldn't. Now that I'm running exclusively multi monitor setups, synergy's configuration doesn't actually give you the option of setting where your screens are connected individually or anything, it just shows each PC as a single display, and for the life of me, not only could I not get it right, but I couldn't even find the trigger point that would move my mouse and keyboard controls to the other system. Even if I managed to get them over there, I had no idea how, and I had no idea how to get back.

So I disconnected it entirely and I'm back at square one. I bought a multimonitor KVM to fix another problem and it reduced or eliminated my need to use synergy.... But I still want synergy to work (or something like it). Is barrier more robust?
- Sounds like you’d like Mouse Without Borders
  
  https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/powertoys/
- Just try it. It’s free.

Paperless -> Paperless-ng -> Paperless-ngx

Mplayer -> MPV

Slic3r -> PrusaSlicer -> SuperSlicer

Although I'd love to agree superslicer has sadly nowhere near the development power of prusa behind them - and feature parity is rarely given, basically any release of the two has "oh I want both of those!" (don't know if it's spelled correctly but arachnid mode for example was hyped to a point I checked back with prusa after a few months).

I just want to point it out in case people expect a "prusaslicer" but better in every regard :)
- If this is the case, why doesnt superslicer upstream its changes to prusaslicer? :/
- Oh yeah, I find that it's easier to get fine control of the outcome in SuperSlicer because it's less refined. User-friendly features are nice when you're getting started but a hindrance when you have more experience. I tried to use Cura awhile back and it felt like the Fisher-Price version of a slicer. SuperSlicer is probably less accessible overall, but it doesn't hide controls from me.
Orca Slicer

Clementine -> Strawberry :)

What's Strawberry?
- Well, a fork of Clementine :) Both are great music players that have a playlist-centered approach to music. Have been exclusively using them on my computer since many years.
  
  strawberrymusicplayer.org/
  
  https://github.com/strawberrymusicplayer/strawberry
Amarok -> Clementine -> Strawberry

obs-cli -> obs-cmd :)

obs-powershell when? :-D
- Grigio wrote the app in Rust, it'd probably run fine on Windows with a little tweaking and some experimenting. You should reach out and ask :)
  
  https://github.com/grigio/obs-cmd

vi?

vim, or better yet, neovim

come to the 21st century, we have lua

and plugins, and syntax highlighting, and multi buffer/multi window support, and LSP support so you can Go to Definition like in an IDE, and wAY more normal mode commands than anyone could ever hope to memorize. also when you do cw it deletes the word immediately instead of putting a dollar sign at the end before purring you in insert mode, and regex substitutions highlights text in the buffer as you type so you can see what you're about to replace. it's really quite cool. if you're new to programming and/or feel like committing heresy you can even skin it to look and work like VS Code. people like to joke that we're slowly but surely becoming emacs and they're not entirely wrong.

but the important thing is the lua.
- Used vim since the mid 90’s, but switched to emacs at some point. It was wonderful for many years, but neovim has come so far that I switched back a few years ago. Could not be happier. The tools available for programmers these days are superb and neovim chief among them.
- It's probably because of Lua that the plugin ecosystem exploded in the recent years.
  
  I'm glad I adopted neovim early.
- I mean, most of those things can be done in regular vim too. I'm probably going to switch eventually, but I haven't really had any issues with vim that would motivate me to switch, and I haven't really encountered anything super useful that nvim has that vim can't also do. Though, I'll admit lua is tempting, and better defaults are certainly a plus!
  
  For search highlighting, the relevant options are :set hlsearch and :set incsearch. nvim just has those enabled by default. nvim also has a binding Ctrl+L to clear the search highlight. This isn't in vim by default, but the vim-sensible plugin also adds it.
  
  What do you mean by cw putting a dollar sign? I don't think I've ever encountered that.
  
  Edit: the vim syntax for Ctrl+L got eaten by markdown.
rimusic

Hyperion -> HyperHDR

Me with Liftoff :)

Liftoff is no longer maintained right? So what's the fork?
Is there a fork being maintained? I haven't seen one. Was just poking around for one yesterday.

Audacity -> Tenacity

As a bonus, they forked to Codeberg while supporting a mailing list on SourceHut (explicitly stating contributions via Microsoft GitHub will be ignored)
Audacity is not dead, people were just upset that they added automated update checking and crash reporting

rust™ -> crablang when

No
- I can see the pain in your "no", haha.
Now this I can get behind!
- update: I received a letter from the rust foundation stating that my use of the word rust violates their trademark policy. I have to redact my pervious comment.

And somehow everyone is still referring to the dead project

If you develop with MySQL on a Mac...

Sequel Pro > Sequel Ace ;)

RIP revanced extended.

what why??
- Not the whole revanced, only extended version. Author just doesn't want to do it anymore

rEIFt ---> rEFInd was this exact feeling for me.

We're current using bump2version, which already is a fork, but doesn't use toml and thus isn't very strict in its config. Turns out there's already a successor (forgot the name) that supports toml. Haven't had time to switch yet, but it's on the massive backlog of shit I want to fix.

What's a fork, I know what GitHub is and use it too. Just don't know what a fork is haha

A fork in the road. When a developer takes an open source project and modifies it – thus creating their fork of the original software.
https://docs.github.com/en/pull-requests/collaborating-with-pull-requests/working-with-forks/about-forks

It's basically like a copy of the original repository. But you can pull in and merge changes from the original, make a pull request for the original to pull your changes. Fork+pull request enables you to contribute to someone else's repository. Things like Chromium are in part forks of Safari, just that they diverged over time.

gqview -> geeqie