Everyone says “problems with websites in Firefox!”

Nobody has examples

DDG has gone downhill in recent years.

Not as much as Google though, so I've been feeling like it's been getting better and better, but it's just a comparative feeling.

https://webcompat.com/

Firefox + uBlock Origin and I have no issues with any websites.

Which ones are you having issues with and what is happening?

You have to complain if your work does chrome specific stuff.

Sometimes those websites lied that they don't support Firefox. For example, google meet didn't support background blur on Firefox? Change the user agent to chrome and it suddenly worked!

As for simple stuff such as menu or elements not loading, it's usually the dev copy pasted outdated code/css that uses WebKit/Bink-specific prefix even though Firefox already support them if they removed the prefix. Nothing we can do about that except pestering the dev to fix it or overriding it yourself using some css overrides extension.

DDG has gone downhill in recent years.

I haven't noticed this at all.

I've been a frequent DDG g! bang user over the years, but now almost never have to go it. Granted I use kagi for most searches now, but my phone still defaults to DDG, and I've noticed that it works just fine.

Google and therefore kagi are still better for stackoverflow indexing I believe, at least that's how I remember it

Like which sites specifically? I have yet to see one.

I use brave search, and it works great!

Not to sound snarky, but what are you missing from Firefox that chrome does?

I'm using Firefox on android and Linux and it's plenty fine. Much better than chrome.

Vivaldi works, chromium too, firefox works really well. Both are multi platform

If it does what you wanted it to when you installed it, it's doing things with your permission. If what it was going to do was clearly and correctly explained during the download or install process, it's doing things with your knowledge.

It's like a motor vehicle. You don't need to know how an internal combustion engine works to be able to give informed consent about driving it, but if it starts rolling away after you park it, you're going to either get it fixed or get a new car.

This is beyond pedantic. You and everybody else knows exactly what they meant.

Meh. My work gives me the choice of Chrome and Edge. I decided to try edge to get access to bing chat last year, and I've found it to be a pleasant experience compared to chrome. It's got some neat features, and the built in copilot AI can be handy. I haven't missed chrome (or Google for that matter) in the year I've been using edge. It's fine. Still use Firefox on my personal laptop and phone though.

worse than IE ever was

This argument can be made for spying/telemetry, but I don't think anything will compare to how bad the IE user experience was for years. It ran so slowly, and took forever to get features like tabbed internet browsing. It started to get more functional towards the end once it started losing market share, but that was after years of it being complete garbage while having absolute market dominance.

Why not just use vscodium?

Why do you need a VM for Visual Studio?

There is a net effect in browsers and in rendering engines especially.

The more people use chrome engine (that is pretty much everyone except Firefox) the more web developers support only Chrome because... Cost/layoffs.

For this reason i make a point in using only FF (except for websites that already don't work with Geko).

Monopolies are not good for anyone (especially with current Google attitude)

Ungoogled chromium is worse than Firefox in term of features, no? Why use it instead of Firefox?

I was spending a bunch of time fighting to get Windows to do what I wanted that I figured I might as well be doing all that work on Linux.

A damn good point.

I really got to get around to telling Microsoft to fornicate themselves with the wide end of a rake...

It's more mature and feature rich. Just like Plex vs. Jellyfin.

Mostly because they got there first tbh.

I started with Plex and was immediately unhappy with their always online model, shitty support, and data harvesting practices. (which has gotten significantly worse over the last few years)

Moved to Emby as the only alternative I'd heard of at the time (7 years ago), and was immediately impressed with how much easier it was to use, it's stability across all platforms I use, their friendly and helpful forums, and their stance on keeping your server your own (no telemetry or dependency on external servers). I pretty quickly purchased a lifetime premier license and it's never failed me.

From there I learned of Jellyfin but by then had no reason to move. Beyond that, I'm just not really a fan of Jellyfins origins (ie forking emby because they didn't like Embys licencing) and their development has regularly lagged behind the others largely because they lack funding to keep a dev team AFAIK. (keep in mind thats an opinion from a distance, I don't pay much attention to Jellyfin as I'm happy with Emby)

Actually, Edge WebView2 is a separate system component pushed out via Windows Update (can also be bundled with individual apps), and is independent of Edge the browser.

So you can actually uninstall Edge the browser completely if you wanted to, and still keep using Webview.

Of course, it's a different story that Microsoft like to sneak it back in as part of an update or something.

Exactly. Those OS updates are most likely fixing / reinstalling Edge since it is either considered corrupted or to push newer version. Set different default browser, unpin it from taskbar and you are good to go.

All these "fixes" and "debloaters" in a long run most likely will cause problems.

I don't care. None of the stuff that breaks is even remotely important to me.

If I've made a point of removing a piece of software; reinstalling it, re-adding shortcuts in 3 different places, and changing my default back to edge with every system update (and now automatically harvesting all the data from every other installed browser) makes me want to personally lynch Satya Nadella. (Microsoft's CEO)

When Linux spoons me in bed and whispers in my ear that it loves me, that's when I feel really safe.

Side question:

Know a good place I can learn linux user/group/permission management?

I don't understand it well enough so I do a stupid amount of things as root...

I do have a pro license (for RDP), but I'm not familiar with the group policy editor. Wasn't aware it could disable Edge. I'll have to explore that more. It's rather absurd a user has to go to those lengths to keep data they've deleted, deleted.

Still gonna move to linux. Been a long time coming.

Even better tbh

Sometimes the switch is surprisingly seamless, though. Autodesk Maya has an official Linux version, Blender is more than competitive now. For photo and video editing, Krita has become the better Photoshop for me and DaVinci Resolve has a native Linux version as well, with the additional benefit of letting me completely avoid Adobe. The ex-Allegorithmic tools also have Linux support and can be bought on Steam even.

On the other side, I haven't had much success running Clip Studio Paint or Daz 3D and a VM is rather frustrating to use (the lag between pen and screen just feels weird).

On the contrary, there is a lot of professional software that doesn't run on Windows!

plus many USB devices need drivers, and god knows the OEM isn't gonna make them. i.e. steering wheels, stream decks, some audio interfaces. i know there is a software for streamdecks, but i imagine it's not even half of what it could do on windows.

Yeah I know, but it's a lot better than 15 years ago. I run professional grade, paid for and licensed, video editing software. Native Linux support.

I don't need all that crazy excel wizard crap so I'm good with libreoffice.

There's one game I haven't attempted to run in a long time on Linux which may work just fine now for all I know, but the rest of my stuff works great these days.

I realize the alternatives to some programs are not always that great but they can sometimes get the job done decently enough

Use those professional softwares on a work PC/laptop, and don't use it for anything personal. Use a separate device for your personal use.

99% of people don't need this kind of software.

da Vinci resolve "works on linux"

there's an ie mode in edge

The fact they have 4% marketshare also protects them.

I don't understand the tab hoarder mentality. I can't stand having too many tabs open it makes everyone disorganized and less useful.

My workflow is to open random links and searches in private tabs and then when I'm done with the search I just close the window and they're all gone. I also split subsequt searches up into multiple private windows with a few tabs each so once I find what I need on one search I can close those and have the ones I'm still using ready. If there's something I need to reference later I can move it over to the regular browser window or bookmark it.

Makes it easier to manage and doesn't get out of hand that way.

Yes! Bookmarks are for things I'll need to reference again and again in the coming years. I do keep a tightly-curated bookmark collection, I just don't want it clogged up with a bunch of stuff I can't foresee needing in the long term.

Tabs are for things I'm working on right now and don't need bookmarking for the long term. And, for what it's worth, most of the browser windows are custom-titled, so the windows themselves are a lot like bookmark folders, while the tabs are like temporary bookmarks.

Plus, the ability to search through tabs by hitting Ctrl+Shift+A means that it ends up being faster to search through my tabs than my bookmarks, without using the mouse. ex: Ctrl+Shift+A, Type needed page, up/down arrows if needed, then hit enter to move to the tab. With Ctrl+Shift+O, you don't get the same ease of scrolling the results without tabbing through a bunch of junk first.

There are other reasons, including neurological ones surely, but those are my primary justifications.

Joke's on them, I only use Arch (btw)

🥸one can argue that only most distros are malware under this definition

When everything is malware, nothing is.

The difference may be Windows forces to update, while i.e. Ubuntu has several older versions still working.

Right but they didn't include a screenshot. To my hazy recollection it still shows you what the setting is even if it's org managed. Their description isn't exactly clear to me either:

I found a setting in Microsoft Edge that imports data from Google Chrome on each launch. “Always have access to your recent browsing data each time you browse on Microsoft Edge,” reads Microsoft’s description of the feature in Edge. This setting was disabled, and I had never been asked to turn it on.

The last line isn't clear to me if it was disabled when they checked, or if they think is was disabled before they checked and when they checked they discovered it was enabled.

To your incredibly valid point, it very well could be a bug in the buggiest software known to man, but the fact that it isn't reproducible means I really doubt that, "MiCrOsOfT wAnTs My ChRoMe TaBs."