Stop using Opera Browser and Opera GX
Stop using Opera Browser and Opera GX
Opera used to be a fantastic web browser, with a custom high-performance Presto rendering engine and features like tabbed windows that didn't show up in competing browsers until years later. However, the modern Opera browser is a shadow of its former self, reliant on chasing trends and meme advertis...
Holy shit.
I thought this was just going to be a matter of poor security implementation or crappy feature sets.
Turns out they converted the company into a loan shark operation owned by Chinese ad companies
when the Opera browser continued losing users (due to competition from Google and Apple), the company shifted gears to building mobile apps that provided predatory short-term loans. The interest rates on those loans ranged from 365-876% per year, and loan terms from 7-29 days.
This behavior is just beyond batshit. Before anyone decides tl;dr, the article is well worth a read.
I had a hunch that Opera was circling the drain when I started seeing them sponsor Youtubers. A general rule of thumb is that no company that has anything worth a shit devolves to sponsoring Youtube videos. I had no idea about the predatory loans thing, or the crypto scam chasing thing, or the ripping off ChatGPT thing...
Back here in reality, there is no reason anyone should be using any other browser than Firefox. There is one organization left in this arena still devoted to protecting privacy, maintaining open standards, and a fair and open web for all. And it ain't Google, it ain't Microsoft, and it ain't Opera.
I do not agree with your generalisation of YouTube sponsorships, but with the rest I absolutely agree with.
Honestly, I read something about Opera being vaguely connected to shady Chinese companies right before I started recommending ppl to switch away from Opera or Opera GX. Glad I stuck to that, looks like my intuition did not fail me.
there is no reason anyone should be using any other browser than Firefox.
Yeah. And everybody should use the same brand of shoes, drive the same model of car, buy at the same store, eat the same food... God forbids people having different tastes, opinions and needs.
There is one organization left in this arena still devoted to protecting privacy, maintaining open standards, and a fair and open web for all. And it aināt Google, it aināt Microsoft, and it aināt Opera.
Yeah, and it's not Mozilla either.
Wow. Deleting the app now.
Yeah, I was a huge fan but the moment they changed the engine it was just Chrome in different skin. And later the news that they were bought by a Chinese firm doing shady stuff just confirmed that it was the right decision.
I am sad that they did not open source the engine. Somebody leaked it, but no one serious would touch it for legal reasons.
It's been that way for years now.
Yeah the surprise in this thread is surprising to me. I've considered Opera to be untrustworthy for years now.
I knew not to use Opera GX as soon as they started sponsoring youtubers. I swear, youtube sponsorships are like anti-ads. 9 times out of 10 they're doing something sketchy.
When I see a product I already use being promoted by YouTubers in sponsored segments, I immediately question if I should be using it, even if I'd have happily continued had I never seen that sponsorship.
Absolutely true. I remember every YouTuber and their mother shilling out for LastPass a few years back. Now that their reputstion is kind of in the dumps after several "noncritical" hacks I see those same YouTubers shilling out for Dashlane.
It just gets worse if you try to think of any serious sponsorship program by companies that are, to date, trustworthy. There are none because they don't need them. Word of mouth is good enough for them because the customers they have will stay being customers for a long time. Long enough that they bring in more people just by being happy about the service.
Lol, now that I think of it I had never seen a YouTube ad or sponsor where I would say "this is an ethical and fairly priced product without a catch that I would like to buy"...
I only saw a decent product once, it was Henson razor. Not sure if it's ethical and fairly priced (those are somewhat hard to tell, imo). If I weren't using it already, the sponsorship would have deterred from trying š
This 100%.
I swear, youtube sponsorships are like anti-ads. 9 times out of 10 they're doing something sketchy.
We're the minority though.
Agreed. I think (and I'm not sponsored lol) that the only product from YouTube that's actually good is Harry's razors
PSA: The old Opera guys have a new browser, Vivaldi.
It's quite nice and I use it daily.
Yep. I daily drive Vivaldi on both macOS and Android.
I love it. The sidebar is a great feature; I stash my extension icons there. The theme is highly customizable; I have mine set to something similar to the Opera dark theme.
I don't use the email or calendar features. The great thing about Vivaldi is that they provide a ton of power user features, but don't shove it in your face. It's super easy to turn off the things you don't want and to turn on the things you do want.
I do use UBO, but they also have a builtin ad blocker if you want to use that instead.
The settings page is very extensive. Tons of customization. True to the Opera legacy!
The sidebar is a great feature; I stash my extension icons there.
That's amazing, I didn't know you could do that. I've been using Vivaldi since the alpha days and I had no clue you could drag the extensions there.
Not to mention it has the best ad and tracker blocking I've seen without extensions, I've never used UBO or anything and still have zero issues on YouTube with ads or performance problems.
Yeah yeah I know, it's still based on chromium, but until Firefox gets a suitable alternative to tab stacking and the side bar (ive already tried all of the solutions people claim is good enough or "the same" and find them all lacking) ill stick with V.
Side bar was what I miss most from GX when I tried it.
Vivaldi has the best tab management ever.
That's what I thought until I installed Firefox with Sidebery and oh man, that's another level. It required quite a bit of configuration make it really fit my needs, but when you configure it, it's incredible.
I loved some of the functionality Vivaldi adds (split tabs, tab groups, etc) but I couldn't take the instability that came with it. That thing crashed more times in the 6 months I used it than Firefox or Chrome ever have for me total I swear to god.
I keep revisiting Vivaldi once every few months, and get reminded of why I uninstall it within minutes. They remove the option of changing DNS servers from the configuration UI and moved it into flags. I have absolutely no idea why they do that, and its a philosophy I vehemently disagree with.
the ad blocking on its own is just amazing, blocks some trackers that even UBO misses sometimes, rarely, but does happen.
Last I looked, I couldn't find a Linux version of Vivaldi. Which is strange as I'm pretty sure their beta releases did. Been a hot minute since I've looked again. Other than being chromium based, I liked what I seen. It's almost like kde developed it with its staggering feature set lol.
Opera invested $30 million in the crypto startup ICST that same year, and the startup's CEO was arrested four days later for financial crimes.
LOL
Well, some years ago the crypto startup was all the heat.
Explain why don't just clickbait me.
Man its fucking sad what's become of Opera. They gave us tabbed browsing, CSS, and lots of other stuff and then just like that, they became another uninteresting Chromium fork and its been straight to the shitter since.
Many of the O.G. Opera devs founded Vivaldi after Opera was sold to Chinese investors. It's Chromium, but it has a considerable number of excellent power user features
I believe they also have plans to move beyond Chromium, but a new code base isn't a quick project... (That said, they do eliminate the tracking features and other questionable elements of the code currently.)
Why is it clickbait? I don't understand. The article explains the reasons. They don't fit in the headline.
I had an @operamail email account for years, I was all in!
Hindenburg is an investment firm that researches publicly-traded companies and shorts their stocks if they find sufficient evidence of investor fraud before releasing its report.
What a wild business plan. I'm amazed it's legal.
Short sellers provide benefit to society by finding and shaming doomed businesses so they fail faster and donāt suck up as many resources.
They also have a proud history of uncovering outright fraud.
In business, the people complaining loudest about short sellers are emperors with no clothes.
Opera was effectively the first software I bought, back when they had a trial version in 2001. They had tabbed browsing and mouse gestures, a solid DECADE before they came to any other browser. Lightyears ahead of the competition and worth every penny. I think in 2003 they made it free, and I wasn't even mad.
I was forced to switch to Firefox at some point when a website I had to use for work was incompatible due to some Java applet that wouldn't load properly, and then slowly migrated over.
Shame to see what happened to this amazing piece of tech.
It's really tough to run a business when your competitors are all free as in freedom (Firefox) or free as in funded by monopolistic megacorps (Google, Apple, Microsoft).
To be fair, Opera in the 2000's was craming every single feature they could think about in their browser.
So sure, they got some interesting features before the others but they also had hundreds of useless features cluttering the UI.
But it was still fast and didn't gobble up RAM so much (well other than memory leaks, but none of the competitors were free of those either and IE crashing would also crash the desktop because it was the same instance of the same app for some reason).
imagine buying a web browser
Netscape navigator was free on CDs!
You bought the ad-free version, they had a small banner on top. And of course there were key generators and such, back in the days there wasn't any online key validation. Or you could kill the banner with a local proxy. Still, I actually wanted to support the development, just like I donate to good FOSS software now, or buy android apps to remove ads although I'm already killing them all with adaway on a rooted phone.
Sure, there were free browsers out there, but back then Opera was really way ahead of the bell curve.
Stop using Chromium.
Vivaldi has been a better option for those who love the feel of Opera. But Firefox is an overall better package imo
Floorp is the best of both worlds.
and it really needs a new name
I've been trying out Floorp for a few days now. It's a great browser but honestly I don't see that much of a difference compared to regular Firefox. If I had to pick, my favorite feature from Floorp would be the fact that it packages changes that would normally reuuire fiddling with
userChrome.cssinto simple toggles in about:preferences. I especially like how it makes hiding the horizontal tab bar so easy when I use Tree Style Tabs. That being said, I have fully switched over anyways.
Vivaldi overheats my Macbook and runs like crap on my PC.
i used to like it but stopped using it recently
I don't want to touch any Chromium-based browser. Firefox all the way.
I stopped using Opera when the CCP bought up the company a few years ago.
Yeah I mean I wouldn't use that CCP bullshit.
I stopped using Opera when they dropped their actual product in favor of yet another Chromium-based something.
Yeah, that was a depressing discovery. I didn't see any news about it but one day randomly wondered how opera could afford to develop a free browser that wasn't FOSS. Digging into it was surprising. Not quite John McAfee surprising, but still sketchy. Like they were in the predatory banking industry and then there were the ties to China. It wasn't hard to see that it was time to check out Firefox again.
Vivaldi Browser is headed by some of the original founders of Opera ASA and is a reasonably good alternative to Google Chrome, MS Edge, Safari and new Opera itself.
Alternatively, use Gecko-based browsers such as Firefox/Waterfox/Iceraven.
Vivaldi is very pretty, but certainly more on the heavy side of the chromium spin-offs, and also they won't fight the manifest v3 implementation.
Not sure how they could fight manifest v3, it's Google making an (objectively bad) internal code decision that has knock-on effects for Chromium and everyone else.
FWIW they are going to try and keep things working and are looking for workarounds
I loved Opera's own engine. It was snappy and memory efficient. But their developers, at least back then, were very toxic. I remember them releasing a version which broke GMail and other Google products and they all collectively went on vacation saying it's a non-issue, instead of delaying the release. Any mention of this on forums guaranteed you a permanent ban.
They only have themselves to blame for user migration and all this controversy.
Opera was always hampered by not being IE or Chrome
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_browsers
the migration to Blink was in 2013, it helped at first it seems
Opera added a user agent header "selector" pretty early so it would tell the webpage it was chrome/IE/Firefox. It was important for compatibility for a lot of websites. I'd trust that listing less for them much less than I would for the bigger/default browsers.
The migration from their own codebase to chromium in 2012/2013 was...rough. They were the first browser to have cross-device synch and you couldn't import bookmarks for a long time, much less RSS feeds/everything else people used Opera for. Their original userbase took a sizeable hit.
I remember them releasing a version which broke GMail and other Google products
I remember that it was Google which intentionally made their sites non-functional with Opera. And that changing user agent alone was sufficient to make them work. I may be mistaken, of course.
EDIT: But yes, their developers were like that.
God I miss old Opera
Opera died when they killed Presto and pretended they couldn't make anything like that with blink.
Then the old ones made Vivaldi and proved that was a damned lie.
Just install firefox / waterfox / etc. and be done with it.
They did some awesome browsers back in the early 2000s. I couldn't think about browsing the web without Opera Mini back then.
And despite being designed to run on potatoes with a 2G connection it somehow felt just as smooth as modern mobile browsers (at least as I remember it). It's crazy how well it worked considering the hardware and network limitations of the time.
I remember an ex-girlfriend daily driving it on her phone for all kinds of communications, so maybe this is why she preferred it, I never wondered why, I was very happy with my Linux machine and I barely used my mobile phone at those times anyway.
Amazing piece of software. Reliable on the server side, agile and full of features on the mobile side. And they even made sure that sites like Twitter and Facebook could be used in the browser. What a pity the Opera branding ended like this.
This is unlikely to get the Opera GX fanboys to switch.
Good article though. Fuck that noise.
I don't know if there are any Opera GX fanboys lol
Why would we need them to switch? Shouldn't we just leave them be if they're happy that way?
I fondly remember the old opera days, up until the latest presto version, 12.18. If you knew what you were doing, you were able to fully customize the entire browser, all of it's toolbars and context menus, it was incredible.
Once they switched over to the Blink engine, all of that was lost. It's entire USP gone, just like that.
I've tried Opera 2 or 3 years back, just to see what it is like, and it's just another pointless chromium based browser, offering nothing to keep me using it, and the more i see posts and ads from this company, the more I feel like I made the right choice.
I've also tried the "spiritual successor" to Opera 12, Vivaldi, but it too couldn't win me back over from Firefox.
If Firefox adopted some Vivaldi features it would be the perfect browser, as it stands Vivaldi is unusable for development, but the Tiling and stacking tabs are awesome, wish Firefox borrowed those.
Alternatively Vivaldi switching to Firefox's engine and giving us a better dev experience would be nice
vivaldi using gecko would be great! it probably would take a lot of work tho
Why is Vivaldi unusable for development?
What's wrong with firefox?
I used Opera because you could place tabs at the bottom of the window. When Opera became just a Chrome skin, I switched to Firefox because through the Tab Mix Plus extension I could place the tabs to the bottom. When Firefox killed the extension (and many more), I switched to Vivaldi (made by the former Opera team) because it offered tabs on the bottom. Very recently I switched to Waterfox, because @jh34@lemmy.world told me the browser also allows for tabs to be placed at the bottom. What can I say... I'm a bottom kind of guy...
Nothing. Ideally you'll take a privacy hardened fork though, like Fennec or LibreWolf.
The feature I absolutely love on Opera mobile is it will dynamicly wrap text and adjust the page layout to a single column when you zoom in/out. So for pages with small text, you can zoom in to see enlarged text and just scroll down to read - where on all other browsers you have to scroll horizontally back and forth to read the enlarged text.
Opera has been doing this brilliantly for at least 10 years, and I have yet to see this on any other mobile browsers I've tried.
Test out reading mode in other Chronium browsers, for me that does the job
Firefox also has a reading mode, firefox's reading mode hides all the unnecessary element instead of zooming in though, but it does such a great job that I don't care
As somebody whose wife just downloaded opera onto the family computer I am horrified.
She's been complaining that the internet is slow and has blamed it on protonvon, so has resorted to turning the vpn off when using the internet or discord.
I remember after Twin Peaks season 3 came out, showtime was stating left and right how profitable the show was, and then accusations started flying that the show was so profitable because showtime was taking over the browser while people were watching and mining bitcoin in the background without telling people they were doing so.
I trust Opera about a thousand times less just because I had never hears of them until a week or two ago.
Opera has been in the web browser playing field for a long time at this point, but haven't been super relevant until the last couple years due to GX
I used Opera way back in high school over 2 decades ago. The name has been around for a long time, but I don't know how related the current company is to back then... The product certainly isn't related anymore since it's just another chromium clone.
It's was sold to a Chinese company a few years ago.
Firefox with vertical tabs works great for me.
Vertical tabs are honestly one of the single most important features of a web browser for me these days. I honestly can't believe how much of a difference it makes.
Every time I have tried a different browser than Firefox I could never get it set up quite right. I never strayed from Firefox only because of the openness of the add-ons and customization, even when Firefox was miles behind when it came to browsing speed in the early 2010s as Chrome was popping off.
Anyone who tells me Chrome is better hasn't seen my multitude of tab add-ons which are the only thing that hold my online life together.
Plus, I recall google limiting adblockers and such on Chrome at a certain point. Firefox would never
Switched to Vivaldi last year and haven't looked back. Did some side by side with FireFox for a month or two on my phone. I have a cheap 2022 Moto G something or other, running whatever Android it shipped with.
I guess that like a lot of people, I don't like having apps tracking stuff, but my work requires me to have access to Facebook, Insta, Threads, and the like... so, I just use browser shortcut widgets for them instead (I should quit my job, I know, I know... working on it). Both Firefox and Vivaldi immediately figured out that I wanted to run them in containers so that was great. However, Vivaldi runs all of them so smooth where as Firefox just kind of stumbles around. Some of them would refuse to work some days, just bringing up the web browser container and then crash. Facebook dot com was the worst... there were issues with the UI not showing me the text input bubbles and latency with button presses was terrible... like needing a refresh to show a "like" or even that a notification was read. It was almost unusable. Bizarrely, Outlook was also bad on FireFox... like that's a fairly bog standard email client and "productivity" site, but on FireFox it would crash more than it worked. Vivaldi handles all of the sites/platforms I need like I'm running the apps.
Maybe it's something with my cheap ass phone and Motorola's bloatware, but Firefox crashed and burned more than it worked. I cannot recommend Vivaldi enough.
In other news: stop using Netscape
Opera is still used by 2.86% of the world, while Netscape probably has less than 100 users.
Wait, is it really just 3%? A lot of people I know use Opera, especially the "Gamer Edition", more than even default Chrome. I have the same thing with Firefox, where there's a way higher density in people I know using it than its overall market share, but that bias is to be expected. I'm surprised that it's a similar case with Opera.
Hey, anybody know the best browser for Windows Mobile 6.5?
Anybody know the best browser for my Nintendo Wii?
People still use Opera?
The true Opera fans moved to Vivaldi.
All that is left are those who got caught.
Actually after Opera switched engine from Presto to Blink and become another Chromium-based browser I was a bit lost, and switched between different browsers while never really had that "good connection" I had with Opera, but I eventually switched to Firefox and I don't really see any other alternative right now. It just works, and supports free and open web.
I don't see regular Opera being used, but often Opera GX. Their marketing is so powerful, and those edgy features attract gamers.
I remember way back in the late 90s or early 2000s, when Opera was commercial, I bought a lifetime license. I don't remember the specifics but it was basically a way to support them and it was good for all future versions, forever and ever.
I lost the key long ago and the browser is free now anyway. Still wouldn't use it.
God damn it. I just switched to Opera because of the "Hey get off Chrome" posts like 2 weeks ago.
I have Firefox installed but don't love it. Need a "and the next closest good mobile browser is X"
late to the party, but I had OperaGX do a clever evil thing recently - I have an old machine running MacOS 10.14 (for reasons), I had GX up, and I alt-tab'd and noticed there was the "don't symbol" (ghostbusters) over the OperaGX Icon. I thought, "that can't be right". I'm running GX right now. I double checked, and I was using GX with several windows open. But the symbol was right - they had Updated OperaGX that I WAS running, WHILE I was running it, to a version that WOULDN'T work on the computer I was on. I eventually restarted GX, and got a 'You can't use OperaGX with this version of MacOS". Jerks.
I dug around, and very roughly, the .app file is not the App. They use a folder off in Library to store the actual pieces of the app, and it there is a few different pieces, and the .app file points to the actual executables.
Anyway it was fun while it lasted. Never again.
I started using Opera at version 9 point something and was a happy camper for a long time. It was a great browser, but its biggest problem was compatibility - more and more sites were behaving strangely and more and more the Opera folks had to patch things on the browser side. I stopped using it around the time the first alpha version of Vivaldi came out. Yes, Vivaldi had a lot of catching up to do at the beginning, but it was functional enough for a daily driver. Opera's first Blink-based version was some kind of a joke - it didn't even have a proper bookmarking system - it was as if everyone was assumed to have 15-20 bookmarks on their start page and that's it. Anyway, they lost all my trust when they sold out later on.
I'm willing to give Firefox a chance regarding the whole manifest v3 drama, although I see the Vivaldi folks opposing it (not sure how much they'll be able to do once they have to merge the MV3 stuff). My biggest hurdle with Firefox right now is the lack of native mouse gestures. Yes, it's somewhat possible to do it with extensions, but the 1% of the pages it doesn't work on (I know, I know, intentional limitation for all extensions) is enough to break my flow; gestures are so ingrained into my muscle memory at this point that I don't see myself using a browser without them supported the way they are in Vivaldi.
Somebody here is going to have a reason: why shouldnāt I use Safari?
As a developer, Safari is the browser that supports the least standards and is holding the browser ecosystem back.
While inferior to Firefox due to reason outlined by another user, it is infinitely better than going with Chromium-based browsers.
Keep on using it if you feel comfortable with it
I think there are some better alternatives out there such as Firefox + uBlock Origin extension, Brave, Vivaldi (maybe Arc? Haven't tried it yet) that gives you some extra features that are missing in safari (for example Multi-account containers, vertical tabs, split tabs,... just to mention the ones I enjoy the most)
But if you just want a browser that works from a normal usage I don't see nothing wrong in using Safari.
+it uses an engine different from Blink (aka Chromium) which keeps a little bit of variety in the browser engine market. So while using Safari you're also doing something good for the internet imho
My biggest attachment to Safari is how well integrated it is with the rest of the Mac. Fingerprint integration for passwords, gesture integration with the track pad, seamless handoff between phone and computerāthese things are somewhat reproducible with Firefox and extensions, but it is nowhere near as perfect as it is when youāve got the browser and the whole OS designed to work in a coordinated dance with each other.
the last time when I used Opera browser was on my Sony Ericsson W580i and C702i
I remember Opera Mini being the only browser that worked properly on my old Sony Ericsson Xperia X8, all other ones just worked very slowly to the point of being entirely unusable (even Opera Mobile which was a different browser than Opera Mini).
I had Opera on my Nokia 2600. I think it was called a WAP browser back then. Tiny mouse cursor on a 150x170px screen, good times.
TIL about Hindenburg and the hilarity of their investment strategy.
Also, I really liked that presto engine. The shit was always very dramatically faster than any other browser and I was ok with the odd table or two being mispositioned.
Opera has always been do-do and always had a do-do engine. Now it's spyware.
Opera was useful to me at three very specific points in time for very specific reasons:
When I built my first PC out of old scrap parts in the early 2000s, the only halfway modern browser that was still compatible with Windows 95 and a 486 CPU was Opera. Not the latest version, but new enough to be usable. This version, which came with a permanent toolbar urging users to purchase a full license, already had tabs.
I did not have broadband Internet until 2006. Even 56k modems didn't work with the awful telephone line we had - I had to make do with 48k. The proxy service with compression Opera came with was the only way to browse then current websites without waiting for half an hour for a page to load.
When I bought my first touchscreen phone in early 2009, the LG KP500, a Java-based phone with only 2G and no WiFi that pretended it was a smartphone, Opera Mini was the only browser that was usable, again thanks to its proxy service.
Outside of these niche use cases, I never saw a reason to use Opera instead of Firefox. While it was an important innovator in the beginning, for me personally at least, it has always been nothing but an "emergency" browser and ever since it was bought out by a Chinese firm and switched over to Chromium, there was no reason left to use it other than brand attachment.
Is this a shitpost or is that idiot actually telling me not to use Opera because of alleged investor fraud in 2020?
I don't give a fuck about that, mate, when the other option is a Monopoly that literally removed the "Don't be Evil" clause from their code of conduct. If you want me to stop using Opera then you'll have to give me a reason about the specifications of the program, not about the company's petty crimes due to Chinese regulatory failures.
I donāt give a fuck about that, mate, when the other option is a Monopoly that literally removed the āDonāt be Evilā clause from their code of conduct.
That's not the only other option. Use Firefox.
I would if they brought back manual cookie handling like it used to. Just feels like a downgrade in features, tbh.
Not that it matters either way but they didn't remove the clause, they just moved it from the introduction to the closing statement. Which clickbait articles all reported as "removed".
But it was always meaningless anyway.
People in here dropping facts on me.
I'm just tired as the next person about posts that provide a million half-assed reasons to not use anything but Firefox. But honestly If we don't stop these places from building dossiers on us and locking us out of websites that are unsanctioned by them, It will a erode our opportunities in years to come.
Right now, it doesn't feel like it matters. Lexis-Nexis knows every nickel you ever spend and every creditor that ever ran a check on you, Google knows what type of porn you like to watch, tik tok and opera are storing everything that you've ever been into in a place that can be retrieved by other governments.
At some point we're going to have to take our privacy more seriously. Preferably before 1984 actually becomes real.
Yeah, if I stopped using/buying a product just because the company behind it did something slightly shitty, I wouldn't have any belongings, food, etc.
I use Firefox just as much as I use opera gx, I use them on each of my browsers. Opera gx is more primary but yeah...
I dont know what I would replace it with. Brave, I guess?
I use Brave on occasions and it's pretty good. But for some reason I just can't seem to make it my everyday driver.
That is quite the pivot.
I've been using Firefox as my "home" browser and Opera GX as my "work" browser. On Windows, it's easy to set up launch profiles but not so much on Mac. I need to figure out a solution to this before I can transition.
Been saying this for ages
Honestly, I still use opera as my daily driver on Android. I just like the UI, especially the dark mode reader colors. But I've also tried most other browsers. Firefox is janky on some sites. Vivaldi is pretty good. I could probably switch.
Done
I tried Opera years before, but the UI wasn't my cup of tea at the time. It wasn't bad, it just wasn't for me; but, when, I tried it ones again a year or two ago it was much more, like it was honestly and objectively bad.
Which is sad because regarding of my tastes and needs it was a good browser
Is there a good modern alternative to something like GNU IceCat that I can compile from source?
To be fair I use Chrome form most day to day things, Firefox sometimes, Edge whenever I want to use AI search (cheatgpt stuff) and Opera is my dedicated porn browser!
Opera is just another skin of chrome (built on top of chromium), so really you use chrome for everything except porn and ai. Why are you so set on using multiple forms of trash?
And what should I use, only Firefox for everything? Cause I really don't like Firefox and I don't know of other browsers other then Tor. I'm not gonna use that one!
Someday this will be Firefox too. You used to be cool Opera, but all good things to poop one day go.
Mozilla has bad resource management, that's a fact.
However turning into a loan shark app business? I really don't think so. Unless another browser enters the market and takes off (which is extremely difficult given the tons of features browsers are built to support for all sorts of websites) Mozilla never has to worry that much about money since Google is their top funder; and Google's main reason to fund them is to not deal with all sorts of legal issues and fines they'll recieve for creating a monopoly.
Didn't Mozilla just do a big roadmap talking about what they plan to do in the future and it was basically all AI and Activism with no mention of Firefox?
I hope to see Firefox grow, but who knows. Especially if antitrust actions or a continued drop in Firefox usage cuts off the Google money and makes Mozilla go poof.
But of course at least Gecko is Foss so it can't disappear entirely if the community doesn't let it.
Oh come now. Who would have predicted Opera would have ended up like this? Even with hindsight this dark path is hard to predict bit the overall trend is not.
Mozilla has created something of value and it has amassed a growing audience. If you are willing to invest in your confidence, I would happily short you in 10years or less, it's nearly ripe for corruption and not at all immune from something similar to what has become of Opera. Trusting that Google will doing anything consistent is another lesson in ignoring trends.
at least someone will be able to fork Firefox's code, unlike the sad story with Opera's old Presto engine, that due to being proprietary suffered an inevitable dead.
š Love the optimism here! And Firefox fanboyism here! I'm a FF user too, but if you think FF is immune to going down shitty paths in the future like almost all well-intentioned tech products eventually do, there is antifreeze in your kool-aid, and I'm afraid you've gone blind.
Firefox has so many issues. I do hear people say that if you use the nightly build it gets better, but e.g. the app store version on a mobile has a lot of stuff turned off.
I still use it, both on mobile and desktop, but its main appeal for me right now is that it is "not Chrome". The 5% breakage of Firefox is nowhere close to the 50% enshittification of Chrome:-(.
but e.g. the app store version on a mobile has a lot of stuff turned off.
Considering that the chrome app does not even have a way to install extensions, this is still a massive win for Firefox.
Mozilla has also started to make more and more extensions compatible with the mobile app recently, see https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2023/11/01/is-your-extension-ready-for-firefox-for-android/