Kentucky Republican pushes bill to make sex with first cousin not incest

Not if the child he has his eye set on is just above it. :-(

The amendment would also reduce the designation of incest by contact to a Class D felony for some cases “unless it is committed with a person who is less than twelve years of age,” in which case it is Class C.

his 13 year-old cousin, it seems

I mean... Who hasn't had a hot cousin when you go to those really big family reunions...

Most people just legislate to try to rape em.

“At 17 you can marry your first cousin but you can’t have hormones that your doctor is happy to prescribe”-Kentucky

Actually I’m surprised that’s the youngest I could make that joke. They recently raised the minimum marriage age to 17 with parental consent which like took you long enough but still good job

It’s Kentucky, what else matters? lol

It's stupidity guarantees it will be passed.

imho incest should only be outlawed because of the risk of gene defects during pregnancy. so while nasty I dont think a hanky panky from your first cousin should be outlawed

and no, I dont have a hot cousin

People are talking about it like they are saying it's legal, rather than it just being left out of a list. Which sure, if it's left out on purpose, that's pretty telling. But a loophole in a law isn't always done on purpose. I'm willing to beleive for now it was an accident

This would be a great example of fake news.

It should be, it should be for fucks sake, but this apparently is the timeline where it is not:-(.

I feel bad for them. Material is scant, what with Trump and Republicans fucking up reality.

Same. It would be a struggle to write a fake headline about the republican party.

"look, all I'm saying is, two men having consensual sex is wrong. Why can't they be normal and have sex with their 12 year old cousin, like me?"

I wouldn't call that "progressive" but it's not exactly libertarian freedom either. The actual law seems weirder than trying to deregulate cousin incest.

Not that I really feel strongly about it but I don't see the state interest in specifically banning cousin blowjobs. Seems like one of those things that should be in the dustbin of overtightened sexual restrictions like sodomy laws.

you could argue that accidentally making cousin fucking legal, like accidentally making weed legal in minnesota (was that minnesota? I think so) is part of an ongoing issue where republicans don't actually know what the laws they're implementing do.

You say consenting adults, the bill says one of them can be as young as 13 years...

I think the issue is twofold: if you allow a groomer (a real one, not a drag queen) to be around a child for their entire life, there will be an effect on what the child wants as an adult; and people have a lot of opportunities to blackmail family members.

Those things make it difficult to determine if the two consenting adults are both truly consenting. It’s the same logic behind banning polygamy- it’s very easy for people to become trapped in it because their entire social universe supports it, so if you say no, you’re excommunicated. There’s therefore no real way to know if you consented.

It’s the same reason cops can’t have sex with people they are holding under arrest. Oh wait…

I mean…look at that guy. It probably occupies all of his time. They intentionally picked that photo for this exact reason, I’m sure.

It's jangling keys. So long as there are enough headlines about cousins banging, we won't have enough time left over to get upset about corruption, fascism, etc.

It's not.

It's probably a distraction. To what end, I don't know.

I love that it's blue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Fugates

Red River Gorge enjoyer?

Inbreeding breeds dumber people, who are more likely to end up in poverty.

That would make the population an ideal Republican electorate.

They are enacting these laws to personally benefit.

It's pretty common still in multiple countries and in some migrant subcultures living in other countries. The consequences over multiple generations are not pretty.

An article with examples: https://www.dw.com/en/pakistan-cousin-marriages-create-high-risk-of-genetic-disorders/a-60687452

Imo it's still a bad idea to allow it. Even between first cousins of a family without a history of inbreeding, doubling the chance of genetic disorders is not nothing. Scale it up to many people doing it and it becomes a heavy burden on healthcare systems. And in countries with socialized healthcare, it's not really fair that everyone has to contribute more to healthcare because some people want to defy genetics. Imo again.

You're spot on. The average risk of some genetic issue occurring in a standard pregnancy is about 3%, and the average risk between 3rd degree relatives, such as first cousins, is about 6%. I used to be a genetic counselor, and I'd seen a few first cousin cases, and even a case of double-first cousins, which was a higher risk, but still not as high as the much more run-of-the-mill scenario of a couple both being carriers of any given recessive genetic condition. People freak out about it because of the jokes about inbred families, but the much bigger issue with it is the power dynamic, especially concerning age. When you hear incest, you shouldn't be worried about kids with 6 toes, you should be worried about rape.

Maybe things that are ok in a small tribal village shouldn’t necessarily be in a larger interconnected modern civilization

I met a guy who was married to his cousin and I had to google it too and found out the same thing. A lot of states allow marriage, and not just southern states as the stereotype would suggest. Here's the states that allow it: Alabama, California, Colorado, Connecticut, the District of Columbia, Florida, Georgia, Hawaii, Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, New Mexico, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, and Vermont.

"Discovered" and no source to your claims... I don't think so, Rudy.

to be ""fair"" i'm pretty sure most (first world) countries actually don't restrict sex between first cousins. or same-sex incest for that matter. could be misremembering though

what is extremely sickening about it is the age the bill wants which makes it not at all comparable to most other countries (well except like France until recently maybe)

i mean it's still pretty incestuous so trying to separate it from other forms of incest as if it's so much different doesn't make much sense

edit: here's a map

lmao i like italy's stance. "yea bro u can fuck ur dad if the news doesn't find out"

I like the way they think

Also Republicans: gay sex leads to pedophilia!

When pornhub takes over (sexual) education

More gay if anything

That's not a future event and you know it...

Maybe someone already has lol.

hes a republican so hes already fucking everyone elses family already anyway

No, so his already existing relationship is okay.

Being a survivor winner gives me real insight into the survivor fan base.

Well, they're into that. If it is taboo, then they are all in that.

Never bothering to make a law about something is VERY different than having made such a law in the past and making a point to go out of their way to change it.

Plus, it is funny bc it reinforces the stereotype, which this comment summarizes well.

The law is what the political-legislative process agrees to

Because its very misleading and does not properly represent what happened. It was designed to have a response of disbelief.

I mean ... the suspect pool is not particularly large.

“I eat ass”

Yea, news article I saw said he posted this about it

I filed HB 269 yesterday. The purpose of the bill is to add “sexual contact” to the incest statute. Currently, incest only applies in cases of intercourse. So sexual touching/groping by uncles, stepdads or anyone with a familial relationship is not included in incest. My bill makes that kind of sexual contact a Class D Felony, unless the victim is under the age of 12, then it increases the penalty to a Class C Felony.

During the drafting process, there was an inadvertent change, which struck “first cousins” from the list of relationships included under the incest statute, and I failed to add it back in. During today’s session, I will withdraw HB 269 and refile a bill with the “first cousin” language intact. The fact that I was able to file a bill, catch the mistake, withdraw the bill and refile within a 24 hour period shows that we have a good system.

This is a bill to combat a problem of familial and cyclical abuse that transcends generations of Kentuckians. I understand that I made a mistake, but I sincerely hope my mistake doesn’t hurt the chances of the corrected version of the bill. It is a good bill, and I hope it will get a second chance.

Probably in his bedroom.

My experience on lemmy is that the facts are secondary. It's a slight exaggeration, but if you don't support someone, you have to oppose everything they do or you are some big supporter of them. If you point out some criticism of them is not based in fact, it's "why would you defend them?"

It's much easier if the world is black and white and you're in a bubble that agrees with that. And so they'll attack anything that upsets this uniform simplicity.

Like, is everyone here so opposed to actual facts if it looks like there is even one iota of support for the 'other team'?

It's an election year in the US, so yes. The amount of people I see get down voted for what people assume someone means instead of the literal words on the screen is absurd. I see people preface critisizm of America with 'Im euroepan' so they dont get mobbed by Americans demanding they admit Trump is worse and that voting for anyone but their guy is sure to bring the apocalypse.

Don't get me wrong I much prefer Lemmy to reddit, but there's not as much difference in community as some people like to say there is. Basically we just like linux a lot more here.