11mo ago

Two moods

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This meme would be so relatable if I had any friends.
- Friends are overrated, comrade!
- Friends are capitalistic propaganda to make you easier to manipulate and control into working long hours so that some guy called "CEO" can show off all of his green pieces of paper to his friends /s
- Average linux user
  
  all his friends left because he kept rambling about linux

During last gamenight with the friends we decided to play halo infinite. We all had a good laugh that the two on windows were the only ones crashing
- I would not let that live down tbh
- i often play gta online with two friends who use windows. they have crashes, sounds disappearing, issues joining sessions and they keep falling through ground. on mint my only problem is no cursor in social club. my framerate is not great though, 80 - 100 vs on windows it stays above 120. except for the random massive lag spikes.
- It’s hilarious to me that I have to jump through so many hoops to get my old games working on windows when they run almost out of the box on Linux, but on the flip side with all the launchers and shit built into AAA games today it’s a hassle to get them set up on Linux. Like once I do get them set up they work great. But lutris, proton versions, winetricks, etc to get them working is an activity
  
  Many games might actually be DRM free without you realizing. Look them up on PC Gaming Wiki, and maybe you'll like what you see.
  With some games it's as simple as launching them directly from the executable to circumvent annoying launchers and accounts.
  Something most people probably don't even think of doing anymore, and why would they. But it never hurts to try.
- Did they play the cracked version or the Steam version?
  
  It was the pvp multiplayer that's free, so the steam version.
- Me playing The Finals too, the other two crashing before the match and I was more like 'I'm just hoping that I don't get banned for playing on linux'

Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue, i was in this spot in the past for a long, long time, but Steam has made this work almost seamlessly for a great number of games
And then i got the Steam Deck and this went into overdrive
At this point i feel like Linux is a realistic option for a gamer, qualified of course (anti-cheat tech tends to break things, plus there's a few problematic ones), but we are at the point where you can buy an AAA title and be relatively confident it will run on Linux (check first though)
- I still can't believe how good elden ring runs. Just about every single game i've played in my library has run acceptably for years now. The couple of games I had trouble with running like 5 years ago works nice now. Thank you steam/valve for the godsend that is proton and the deck. All hail gaben.
- Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue
  As a somewhat recent Windows expatriate (1.5 years I think?), I certainly recall more issues on Win11.
  
  WE DON'T TALK ABOUT WINDOWS 11!

Break free of proprietary friends ^^
- All my friends are Open Source if you know what I mean
  
  Many people commit to them and they fork off to others?
- I definitely won't be installing windows 11, so I'll join soon

sudo apt-get friends to play games with
- Error: package not found
  
  tries AUR
- undefined
  
  Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree... Done Reading state information... Done E: Unable to locate package friends E: Unable to locate package to E: Unable to locate package play E: Unable to locate package games E: Unable to locate package with
- Off topic... But isn't apt-get outdated? I thought it was just "apt install"
  
  If you're a user interacting with a terminal => apt
  If you're writing a script or putting it in a docker file/automation => apt-get
  Apt is ~~just a wrapper around apt-get~~ a newer binary than apt-get (I stand corrected after checking my memory against google) and there are warnings that the apt shorthand is not as reliable in scripted scenarios. Its meant for user convenience.
  Apt-get is most certainly not outdated.
  
  this is why we habve no friends
  
  apt is outdated, use nala
  
  Funny way to spell emerge.
- Friends converted over to using snap, so now they all bring their (loopback) devices.

Found the Nvidia user.
- It's such a pain in the ass. Every time I have a kernal update it's time to go into single user mode and hit up lynx for the new graphics driver.
  
  Fuck NVIDIA
  
  What distro? Running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed here and used to have to do that too. It was awful.
  They have an official Nvidia repo that works pretty great now though, and works between kernel updates.
  ...now if only updates would stop randomly deciding my computer can't wake up from sleep anymore, that'd be lovely...
  
  Will you're almost free from that. I saw 6.7 uses the GSP firmware, so if you have a newer Turing card noveou (can never spell it) will be able to run games.
  
  My issues have been proton with Nvidia, versions that work fine with AMD don't work with Nvidia i can't wait for NVK to be a thing.
  For people who don't know what NVK is.
  https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/introducing-nvk.html
  
  w3m works a bit better in my experience
- laughs in AMD
- Must be a by-distro thing. On KUbuntu and Pop! I've never had any issues with Nvidia, though I know that they're a pain in the ass to work with.
  
  Same with Mint and LMDE, it just works.

Well it's getting better, and fast imo. When I started using Linux some 4 years ago I could barely play anything in my library. If the game had online functionality in any way, chances were it didn't run. That has gotten a lot better imo but Proton is still not where it needs to be. But things change and from what I, as a consumer, can see it seems like the biggest problem now are invasive Anti-Cheats rather than anything fundamentally breaking the games.
Edit: but yeah, it sucks when shit ain't working and the small fraction of stuff not working is still a bit much to swallow
- I've built my current gaming pc in april of 2022, installed ubuntu and really haven't had any issues that weren't solved by 5 minutes of googling
- for me it's mostly because i specifically messed something up
- I prefer co op games anyway so there is no reason to be forced to opt into an anti cheat game but here we are.

Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Linux when using Proton. 👌
- The Finals works on Linux!
  In other news, I got a message saying I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux.
  
  That's gotta be rectifiable somehow. Did you contact some sort of support?
  
  I was banned from The Finals for playing on Linux
  How is that not illegal?
- Most of the games not running today would run perfectly if they did not have some bullshit anti-cheat implemented (Easy Anti-Cheat is I think the worst offender here).
  Source: personal experience checking ProtonDB for games I want to play
  
  Unfortunately there's a cheating plague right now. It's never been easier to cheat. It's a huge problem in any competitive shooter. If you want your game to be successful, you need decent anti cheat.
  I can't blame the devs for using a plug and play solution.
  
  Huh? Easy Anti-Cheat is the one that actually works for me on Linux.
  
  Battlebit Remastered ran fine with EZ anti-cheat through steam on Mint 21.3, with no exra steps required, just this week. Did something get fixed, or was I just lucky?
- The only games that give me any trouble are some Japanese VNs, which can be absolutely cursed for some reason. Like, massive tech juggernauts like Cyberpunk are click and play, but I've spent hours getting books-with-PNGs working.
  
  That's because their code quality is usually an absolute dumpster fire that only works if Wine exactly replicates obscure Windows bugs.
- Destiny 2 still won't work, and Simracing is still a no go.
  
  The simracing part is a real bummer. That's the only reason I'm still on Win.
  
  That just means you can't buy 12 dlc to unlock the seasons, dungeons, raids, and whatever the hell else they're paywalling. Destiny got enshittified.
- There are a couple, but I'm spoiled for choice with great games so the convenience of being able to run something on my Steam Deck means that the few that don't run just drop to the bottom of the backlog. Proton is really a brilliant feat of engineering.
- the one i am the most sad about is magicka 1 - great game but getting it to run on linux is (as far as i've found so far) pretty much impossible.
  Won't claim that it runs all that great on windows either though - getting through a chapter without crashing is rarer than i'd like it to be...
  
  I recently heard about this. I used to play it. I searched on the steam discussion page and there is a fan patch that fixes all the crashes. It is on github. I found it for you. Try this. https://github.com/pj1234678/MagickaFix
- My problem is that I enjoy specific multiplayer games. League, Val, Finals. Those are the three right now and riot specifically seems a tad disinterested in Linux. Sadge.
  
  League is owned by Tencent who is specifically interested in using the software for the benefit of the Chinese government as is mandatory for them. They don't want you using an OS with actual security. Heck, they don't even want you to see a skin or splash art that hasn't been approved by their government!
- Genshin Impact, anticheat thibjs you're cheating, blocked until fixed. Happens every update.
  
  Good luck!
  
  Genshin works by now lol
- I’ve run into many, the latest being Rising Storm 2. Its development has been suspended and the EAC is a version that doesn’t work with Linux, so you can’t play on any servers except the ones that allow hackers. There’s also the issues with performance in Squad on Linux. Starship Troopers: Extermination also runs better on Windows. That’s just the ones I’ve had an issue with in the past month.
  That being said, I’m still not willing to go back to Windows, even to play these games.
- As a novice, how does one use proton, and can I install StarCraft 2
  
  You install it from within Steam, ~~or using flatpak if you're installing Steam via flatpak~~ [Proton on flatpak has reached EOL, try installing via Steam instead]. Then in settings you set it so every game uses the Proton compatibility layer, or whatever it's called. You don't have to do it per game, it's a global setting (as well as a setting for each game if you prefer).
  I can't answer for a specific game though, you'd have to simply try it out or check a database which has info on games that can run using Proton. I don't know the site from memory.
- I mean, some games do not work. Because they do not work on Windows as well. Looking at you, ksp 2 🤦‍♂️
  
  It's such a shame about KSP 2. I was so hyped when I saw it was announced, then it all turned to shiz.
- For me it's mostly games that work for everyone else on Linux.
  
  Are you saying you haven't been able to get it to work?
- Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Windows.
  Without the need to fiddle with any settings. It is all just click and play.
  
  Same experience on Linux for me. Install Steam, install Proton, set it to be default for all games. Click and play. 🙂👍 Not really "fiddling". It's a one-time thing that I equate to just installing Steam. Very good experience.
- I pretty much only have issues with ea stuff. I was playing it takes two, and it was like 50/50 if it would work for me. It always worked for my friend on windows.
- Maybe i bricked something in my machine somewhere when messing with drivers for machine learning cuda support. But I often have games that are 'supported' through proton but fail to launch or even crash my PC. Metro exodus & deep rock to name a few. Other games do run great. But still things like steam big picture being laggy is annoying.
  
  yeh that'll probably be it tbf... the cuda drivers are specifically for scientific computing and are pretty rubbish for anything else unfortunately... even amd ones are like that :(
  however a way i found around it is to just push my gpu compute envs to docker and voila (also avoids the pain of installing the drivers cos nvidia actually provides a cuda docker image) :D

As someone who was already only mostly playing single player games, the transition from Windows to Linux was so easy. All my games just work. The only multiplayer game I fuck with anymore is Battlebit Remastered, and that works great.
Since my style of learning is "jump in and figure it out as you go" (impulsive idiot), I've been very impressed with how much has just worked.
I've been afraid to recommend my set up to friends though because I don't want to be their troubleshooter.
- I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users. In fact, if it made it to mainstream, it'd probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc. How you may ask? Well, corporations have a lot of money and influence and I'm sure they could "find a way" if motivated to do so.
  
  I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users
  It already is mainstream. You probably own 10 times as many computers running Linux than Windows without even knowing it.
  Desktop computers are a just a tiny part of the market.
  it'd probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc.
  Yeah, it did. It’s called Android.
  
  Apple uses *NIX, it will either become hardware specific versions or Linux where you pay for the OS with the hardware, or be like Red Hat where you pay if you want to do anything.
  
  The idea is that the base should be open, so you can build whatever you want on top of it.
- i have relinquished to windows. I log into all my pcs with my phone number now its so convenient i have like 4 licenses attached to it from buying hardware. They give me pennies for my data on Bing its hilarious ill get an Xbox 7 someday for free as a corporemoved
  The new outlook though that is so ass. I expect windows 12 to be a much better experience and fully integrate the modern bloat like which sports team won last night right into my retinas!
  
  Sounds like they gave you a free lobotomy too.
- For everything else, there will always be the Debian Foundation.

This seems dated. I'm not saying there is no issues but man has it improved so much.
- Improved =/= working 100% of the time
  
  Ah, yes, not 100% of the time. You know, like Windows. Thanks for the laugh.
  
  Implying that windows is stable, lol
  
  Correct. There are still games that don't work because there is actual work being done to make them not work.
  I wonder where the problem is... must be Linux' fault.
- Meh i had to restart overwatch a few times because it has a bug where sometimes miving my mouse in any way causes me to look up and spin counter clockwise at an insane speed... So yeah theres that
- It has but for multiplayer games and especially a game you never launched before there can be some friction.
- It's different for different people. The distro, the hardware, and the game can all have an effect on how often problems arise.
- For sure, but just as an example I tried starting Black Mesa on steam yesterday, which has a native release, but had to tinker quite a bit to get it working. Unfortunately I think it's often the case that the native releases gets forgotten and lags behind the windows/proton releases

Impossible, I've had Linux users swear to me that gaming on Linux is now perfect and even better than on Windows!
- I've had people tell me that they experience better performance running games on Linux through Proton compared to running them natively on Windows. A while back, I decided to try Windows for the first time since 2002 on actual hardware. With TF2, I encountered significantly more crashes & lag compared to running it on my Arch install....
  
  I can echo this. My games do have better performance running on pop_os rather than Windows.
  
  This seems to be the Windows/Linux yinyang in gaming.
  If you go through the effort (or non-effort. It really seems to be luck-based) of getting a gaming rig working in linux, 99% of the time it is simply better at everything, crashes less, etc. The 1% can require hours or more of troubleshooting.
  Windows runs slower and worse than linux, and arguably less stable. But you boot up, click play, and (largely) it just plays.
  That's also my recent experience with Ubuntu on a gaming laptop. Every single step of the way gives me trouble, but when I manage to run something in the linux side, boy does it run well. So I've got this nice "todo" since I already blew my only free day on it last weekend.
  
  It usually goes like this:
  in certain games, with certain (usually low-medium) settings, without raytracing, with proprietary drivers if nvidia
  
  If you're getting crashes and lag on TF2, that's your pc. Do you have to hand crank it or something?
- Its not perfect, but its really damn good.
  Just takes a little patience and research, mostly to find out if the type of games you generally play use invasive anticheat/drm or not, since those are the most likely to not run.
  but I wont say protons perfect. I've had a few games with issues, some big, some small.. All usually get fixed with time, though, and now those games run great.
  But in the interest of laying it all bare, I will say the 1 enduring issue I have is how janky it is to get Vortex to work for modding games, specifically Skyrim and Fallout 4.. but thats less a proton/linux issue, as it is a Vortex issue. Big strides would be made with a linux version, but Vortex is just jank in general, even on windows.
  And To be clear, I say its jank. Not impossible. I modded the shit out of my Fallout 4 install just last night. but to do it I have to launch the game with STL, use that to launch vortex, the use vortex to launch F4SE.
  edit I just discovered Mo2 linux installer, and oh my god its so much easier..can even download direct from nexus with the vortex download button.
- Having problems with games sometimes is better than having less problems with games at the cost of your system being bloated, slow and designed in such a way that when it breaks you can't do anything about it besides sfc /scannow and when that doesn't work as usual, a complete os reinstall. Linux saves me time but that's only because it's possible to have the skill to fix all the random issues you run into, unlike with Windows.
- I have actually only had one singular issue with gaming in the last year (time frame. Not 2024) and that is fixed by restarting the game

this is exactly me every time i'm showing someone how easy it is nowadays to run games in linux, only for the game that was running perfectly the previous night to throw some random error and crash my system

The only time I have trouble with Linux gaming is either a multiplayer game I want to play isn't supported or some Visual Novel having random issues every once in a while. But this meme is still true lol.

"ah shucks, Windows Update just initiated a reboot without asking, guess I'm out for the night guys"
- I hate Windows, but this has never happened neither to me nor my friends. (Granted I only have like 3 friends who use it regularly)
  
  I had Windows 10 do it once over however many years i was using it (was a fairly early adopter), and Windows 11 has never done it.
  Anyone who can easily use Linux can just make Windows not do that kind of shit, and not auto-update, and block the connection from basically all Windows processes.
  
  It happened to me often!
  Part of that I'm sure it's the fact that I work nights, but Windows refuses to acknowledge that during my work hours is not an appropriate time to install updates.
  Simply stepping away to get a coffee or use the restroom is enough for Windows to decide now is the time to reboot and install updates for an hour or so and you better hope you saved everything before stepping away.
  As a matter of fact, one of those instances is the one where the update broke my bitlocker encryption and I lost everything that wasn't backed up. That was my last day using Windows.
  
  I think that only happens when you don't use windows for many months, which might be true for Linux users
- This hasnt happened to me since vista days lol

Everyone in the comments: "Actually I don't have the same problems so this is wrong"
- That's because Steam/Proton has mostly solved this (with some qualified notorious exceptions), which used to be a real problem even just a few years ago, but not remotely as much these days; the meme is mostly outdated by now, I've lived both cases and it used to be a pain but these days? people are spoiled by Valve and many have never lived the OP situation (which is great news!)

I always hear people say they sometimes have issues with games but I've switched to Linux relatively recently and I still haven't had a game in my library that didn't play.
- Ever since Valve started kicking it for Wine/Proton, gaming has been a cinch.

It's crazy how much better things are now. I had the same reaction some weeks ago when I wanted to play Leathal Company with friends and remembered I'm on Linux while they all used some 3rd party Windows only mod manager. One day later I found r2modman in the AUR which automatically recognized Steam + Proton and everything just ran. And there is even a Titanfall 2 cross platform mod program!!!! The sofware support just keeps getting better every day.

I installed KDE Neon on Friday evening and things were going great, everything was testing well, and Saturday game night with the gang went flawlessly, but this morning the VMWare Horizon Linux client spontaneously decided that it didn't want to accept mouse input anymore, so after ten minutes of troubleshooting I gave up and booted back into Windows so that I can be productive today.
A battle lost, but the war is not over yet.
- I get it, mice frequently just talk about nonsense.
  
  I got one that kept trying to get me to tell it the ultimate question or something, whatever that is.
  
  Fievel: am I a joke to you?

Free of proprietary software
plays Apex Legends

Steam with Proton made this way more easier than in the past. OTOH, yeah, sometimes I feel like this when tuning CS2 on Wayland.
- biggest ongoing issue i've had is getting Vortex working for Bethesda games.
  but I just found a linux installer for Mo2, and while I dont like having to launch Mo2 to launch my modded game.. its fucking ecstasy island compared to the horrific jank of dealing with Vortex.
  
  Vortex worked fine with my (pirated) copy of Starfield near launch. I think I launched it externally, not through Vortex though. I know CKAN for KSP2 works fine but fails to launch the game, at least for me. It also requires forcing an override on a DLL to get most mods to function, but it's not much of a hassle.

install grub
install windows
only boot into windows
???

It's always best to try it well ahead of time even if it's just for having that shader cache setup and ready to go.
Also trying to get trainers to run is a bit of a nightmare. I use steamtinkerlauncher for that and it's hit or miss I'd say.

Yeah give me a minute to install and setup proprietary Nvidia drivers, Retroarch, PCSX2, Lutris, Steam and Wine-staging along with all of the necessary dependencies. Worth it tho

Is this true anymore with Steams Version of Linux? For the most part shit runs fine on my steam deck
- That used to be true a few years ago, but now games just works without any tinkering from my experience. Except some online games due to kernel level anti cheats (like Fortnite and Valorant), but I prefer single player games anyway
  
  Yeah I've never been big on competitive multiplayer, my Halo days were mostly campaign and due to thats what my friends were playing. So linux being blocked by competitive games is a non issue for me as well
  
  And some day 1 games lile starfield.
- Shit’s exactly the same, especially with Gamescope

Let's hope that game is open source, otherwise Richard Stallman would be very disappointed.

Meh. I definitely had issues getting bg3 working well on Linux.
Eventually I switched to windows and it was a nightmare of different and worse issues.
Back to Linux, found a fix. Sweet.

Me playing wow on lutris and it crashing the one time a week as we start a raid boss.
- Never had an issue playing classic for a year
  
  I had for a while. Turns out it was just my overclocking thst was stable on windows but became unstable on linux when gaming

The only things I can't play on linux are games with heavy kernel-injected anti-cheats and racing games (AC and BNG). Everything else "just works". Hell, I even managed to get Overcooked's cross-platform version to work.
- If by AC you mean Assetto Corsa, it works, you just have to follow a guide (it's easy, you have to remove the Proton data for the game from Steam, then install the older Proton version, run the game with this older version until it crashes, then switch to new version of Proton and run it again. It will install required dependencies and will run fine, even my old G25 steering wheel worked without problems)

There's no shame in dual booting. Moving all your non-gaming stuff away from windows is a big step in the right direction.
- I'm going to say that there is a huge shame to use dual boot so I can feel superior for using only linux for over 2 years now. Jk

Steam Deck time
- I'm too blind for a tiny screen.
  
  Reading this on smartphone in browser with desktop mode permanently enabled (and increased dp beyond smallest display size limit in dev settings).
  I just wish it was 16:9. These ultrawide aspect ratios are terrible for a phone. Hell, I just want something like those old phablets.
  My first "smartphone" was a 7" tablet with SIM card. Perhaps I should just try something like that, but tablets tend to be underpowered.
  
  Nintendo 3DS XL time then

You've just got to power through the glitched textures and invisible floors, and talking to a floating pair of eyeballs and teeth is just the Mars Attacks version of your game.
- I thought that was just Ubisoft quality control. :D

Is the joke that games are proprietary software too?
- Well that too. The real joke is that despite the fact we've had 10 "years of the linux desktop", it's still an absolute removed to get PICK A GAME working on that shiny linux box.
  My new Lenovo Legion, I'm struggling with desktop graphics tearing issues in linux (just viewing the WM, of all things). When i have time, I'll muddle through it, but I can't pretend that is easier in linux than windows. It's vendor-driven, sure, but the end user doesn't care why they waste 8 hours doing setup work, only THAT they do.
  
  THIS oh my god
  And the amount of people that will do ANYTHING to defend Linux baffles me, and they all do it thinking they help Linux in general instead of highlighting their issues so they can be fixed
  
  Hearing this sort of stuff before is why I just chose to use WSL with my Lenovo Legion. Especially since mine has an RTX card in it
- That and the software the hardware uses itself is proprietary
  
  It doesn't have to be

Wish I could play games on Linux, but for some fucking reason I can't figure out my gaming laptop with Nvidia 1660ti will not work properly with most games. If I ever can afford a new computer I'm probably going with AMD instead tbh.
- What's the output of nvidia-smi? If it's a newer laptop you might need to add a machine owner key so that secureboot will allow the required dynamic kernel modules to load. In debian the module will be signed with the dkms signing key, adding it as a MOK is fairly simple. https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Making_DKMS_modules_signing_by_DKMS_signing_key_usable_with_the_secure_boot
  *Try disabling secureboot first, if things start working re-enable it and follow the advice above.
  
  Good advice? In a meme thread? It's more likely than you think.
  
  While it's great that your helping them ..
  This answer is exactly WHY Linux isn't desktop/gamer ready yet. At least for the masses.
- what distro are you using? I never had any issues on my nvidia build with nobara
- Optimus? Because Optimus is an absolute bastard. It's improved and I've had some luck, but it's painful.
- If your game run terribly on Wayland, try running in on X11, and vice-versa.
- I know this is quite unprompted, but did you install correct video drivers? You gotta install proprietary nvidia drivers and its 32-bit libraries instead of nouveau

This was me last week when my wife wanted to play a PC game together and I threw the PC to the TV via HDMI for the first time since I switched from Windows to Arch. The audio would not work at all despite all the settings being very clear that it should be sending the audio over the HDMI. Same physical/hardware/cable/TV as the setup that worked flawlessly in Windows. Still not thrilled about that one.
- Make sure it's sending to the correct port, if you go into the audio device management of whatever your desktop environment of choice was you should notice that you have the advanced options on the HDMI to select which HDMI port it's going to

Still a couple deal breakers for me, though most stuff otherwise runs fine. No HDR support. Sucks if you have a great monitor but can't use it. No nvidia broadcast. Necessary for my mic+speaker setup, common alternative such as noisetorch are convenient, but don't even come close to echo filtering quality from the speakers. Yes, that's super subjective obviously. Performance tends to be noticeably to only slightly worse on max settings with nvidia on highly specialized, very demanding games. Some anti cheat tools struggle with compatibility modes.
We're getting there, but it's tough with nvidia not caring. :/
- I understand the HDR thing dealt with the standards for it being absolute undecided mess; but it's looking like we'll have support cranked out before the end of 2024. Here's hoping, I do all my multimedia stuff on KDE.
  
  The problem is that we will have crap loads more cool tech by that time. And none will work on Linux. It's always years behind.
- We’re getting there, but it’s tough with nvidia not caring. :/
  That's the biggest issue and unfortunately there's not much that can be done about that except maybe Linux users swearing off of NVIDIA.
  CC BY-NC-SA 4.0
  
  My intent was just to provide a viewpoint from someone that loves and uses Linux aplenty, but spends a lot of time with Max quality gaming, using high end hardware.
  And while things have improved massively over the past years and probably will get even better in the next years, nvidia's monopoly on top performance GPU means I'm being bottle necked by their shitty Linux support.
  Sure, I can play almost any game out there on Linux, but not with the performance and sometimes not even the same quality I can achieve with Windows. I know this is no fault of Linux, but it's the pragmatic reality I'm confronted with.

This anime girl is so cute.
- in case you're interested at all
  
  I are interested.
  Also heck yeah! I already had this on my list as it is!
- Are you 12??
  
  no hes just weird

Is it really 5 minutes? Usually I ask for 2 hours and then spend 2 days on it and by that time there is a new game my friends found

i thought this was about game development for a second and was confused as to why you wouldn't be able to do that on linux

One of my friends and I end up troubleshooting for an hour before we can actually start playing games. Every single time. Linux just doesn't want us to play games together, I guess.

I mean, Lutris, Protonup-qt and Winetricks get the job done pretty easily and fast once you learn how to use them.

Windows virtual machine as a backup if needed 👍
- How is your performance on windows VM? Also specs for reference would be amazing!
  
  I havent gamed on it yet but it is pretty responsive. My specs are nvidia geforce rtx3060 and amd ryzen 7. Also i am using KVM as the hypervisor since it is type 1 which means better performance and safety overall.

This is the thing which keeps me from switching entirely to Linux. A friend of mine needs twice the amount of Time to start his Games (which is something I would have no Problem with) and what makes it not worth switching imo is that he loses the sound from Discord when he plays. He needs to restart DC then. And no one knows why ._.
- Is he using PipeWire or PulseAudio? I solved my audio problems by installing PipeWire.
  
  Okay, he did both but nothing helped. But thanks :)
  
  I don't know I will sent him this :D
- My bet would be wine grabbing the audio device and not using Pipe wire/PulseAudio. It happened to me once, I believe I solved it by recompiling something (PipeWire, wine or the gst plugins). I would recommend trying to run Discord and the game in terminal, it might show some error to help with troubleshooting.
  
  I will happily forward this to him :D maybe it helps.

Same thing for me on Windows. Technology is just angering.
- Now you mention it, I have spend so many hours on Windows trying to get the damn game to work. Trying to hide run Windows games on Linux, if it doesn't work immedietly and I can't find easy tweaks to fix it then I just assume it doesn't work on Linux. But when a Windows game doesn't work on Windows, I will spent hours making it work because I know it should!

it's as easy as windows nowadays

Anyone playing Outer Worlds, the Spacers Choice Edition? Suuuper annoying issues, I might actually install it on Windows instead
Edit:
Flawless on Windows, general performance seems to be a tad better, too.
Which is great to see, because that means it's not the game itself, and that maybe Wine/Proton will be able to fix these issues
- It's just metacommentary on the illusion of choice from corporations. Stay the course comrade
- you sure it's not just the Spacers Choise edition? AFAIK that version of the game is (or at least was? I dunno) pretty broken on all platforms.
  
  Well, yes. Which is why I mentioned the Spacers Choice edition.
  It doesn't seem to have the same specific issues on Windows though, apart from generally performng worse than anyone would expect it to.
  So I reckon I'll just try and see for myself if that's true. Because the problems many Linux users (me included) seem to have according to ProtonDB make the game borderline unplayable.
  Sometimes not even borderline.

me, trying to setup Skyrim mods to play Skyrim CO-OP with friends and constantly failing to setup a mod manager:
- SteamTinkerLaunch works like a fucking charm for me(I only use Vortex)
  
  Yeah I used it as well, but I was missing a couple of dependencies and realized that I have to move the loadorder files around in order for mods to be loaded. Was pretty annoying but it worked in the end.

Is that game open source?

Aren't we all tired of this meme by now? Especially in this new age of Steam deck?
Seems a bit like trolling at this point.
- Anti cheat is the biggest obstacle now, can't overcome that and if you and your friends enjoy playing together on a game that doesn't support it then you're SoL. Unfortunately only 75% or so of the games my friend group plays are compatible.
  
  Anti cheat is the biggest obstacle now, can’t overcome that and if you and your friends enjoy playing together on a game that doesn’t support it then you’re SoL.
  The EAS anti-cheat is on Linux now too, so the small minority of games that require anti-cheat tech on Linux is getting even smaller; it's heading in the right direction.
  But my point is more towards the fact that we're trying to apply memes to cover 100% of something when it's really covering 1% of something.
  It gets tiring/trolling after a while, especially with it's repetitiveness.

Nobara + NVIDIA here. Everything works. Always. Seriously.
- Does multi monitor setup with different DPI work? Do DRM videos play? HDR?
  
  They probably meant "everything that they use it for". Like, in my case everything on Linux works for me, but I don't play multiplayer games or use Photoshop. I have a single old monitor that can't do HDR. I don't watch Netflix. To be fair and pedantic, not everything anyone could possibly ever want to do works on Windows 11, either.
  
  Yes, Yes (I think?, like what videos?), and Yes apparently.

You guys can get them to actually work???? Im counting myself lucky if the majority of games I try even start to begin with.
Its a distro agnostic problem too so I cant even jump to somewhere else to mitigate it.
- What games are you trying? Off the top of my head, I've played monster hunter world, hunt showdown, cyberpunk 2077, baldur's gate 3, norman reedus and the funky fetus, elden ring, deep rock galactic, doom (the new ones), apex, the dark souls games, warframe, and a few more over the years.
  
  Im mostly emulating now cause of how bad it is but out if the top if my head.
  C2077 ran like a slog at best, if it even started, so I never bothered again.
  Warcraft 3 doesnt work.
  Anno 1404 worked once than never again.
  Plenty of indie games never start.
  Protondb is pretty useless to me personally , none of their tweaks ever worked for anno 1404.

Battlebit Remastered T_T
- It runs amazingly on linux, I have about 40 hours on the official release, and about 200on the beta all linux.
  
  I tried like 6 Proton versions when there was that F2P weekend and it was impossible even to get the anticheat installer to work on Ubuntu 22.04.
  IDK what I was doing wrong.

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