Bernie Sanders Calls for ‘NO MORE’ U.S. Funding For Netanyahu’s ‘Illegal, Immoral, Brutal, and Grossly Disproportionate War’ in Gaza

Absolutely.

There are essentially 4 groups that need to be discussed here. The governments of Palestine and Israel, and the civilians of Palestine and Israel.

The governments are both murderous monsters who feed off of each other to fuel their hatred and justify genocide.

The civilians are the Innocents being killed and displaced.

And 72% of Palestinians believe the October 7th attack was "correct".

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/

Would you assume someone was referring to Hamas if they said "Fuck Palestine"?

Citizens should be moved into the same category as their government. The exact same way liberals lump all Republicans together because they support trump. They believe the same Zionist bullshit that they are gods chosen people (echoes of Germany Master race ideology) and it's their land. They elected Netanyahu because they support his ideology.

You're really suggesting that Netanyahu doesn't want this war?

I'll never forgive her for clinging on to power. She destroyed her legacy and ruined lives for the greed of it

I doubt he gives a good fuck about AIPAC setting their sights on him, they've been sniping for years.

I can't speak for him but my bet is that he's experienced enough to wait for the dust to settle a little before forming an opinion.

Dude was raised in a Jewish family and volunteered with his wife in Israel in college.

Mad props for ever speaking out about Israel, IMO.

I don't think he's alone. The Hamas attack was a shock to many people, and Israel of course would respond but... even six weeks ago it was starting to become obvious that this was a gross overreaction.

I think he's too smart to call it a genocide though

He had to get with the scriptwriters

The more I learn about nuclear the less it makes sense. It's a great source of energy but it's complex and expensive to maintain. Solar, wind, hydro and geothermal are simple and becoming cheaper by the day. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which we ever require more energy than those combined could provide.

There's fusion on the work, so that alleviate some energy issues without nuclear energy and fossil fuels. And fusion might even have less problems, but I don't know much about it.

When haven't they done that?

Just because Biden is the lesser evil (and he most certainly is. By far) doesn't mean that he should be allowed to be an evil.

He's supposed to represent the interests of every American who isn't a fascist, not a foreign government that IS fascist.

That doesn't make it feel any better voting for genocide joe

Palestine's torpedoed all the previous attempts at peace, haven't they? Can't fault israel from considering this is just another attempt at a respite so more rockets and tunnels can be built and more foreign support can be gathered.

EDIT: I've taken a deeper look and found I don't know enough about this to have an informed opinion.

1% of Israelis believe that Israel is using too much force in Gaza. The majority believes they are using too little. If Israelis had their way the genocide would be even deadlier than it is today. This is not a state or a society that should be allowed to wield power in its current state. The state has to be dismantled to deprogram the fascism and genocidal ideology that it is built on and perpetuates. This is not going to happen peacefully because they refuse to let it happen peacefully, not because anyone wishes suffering on them sadistically. A system of oppression and murder that refuses to be dismantled nonviolently is going to be dismantled by force. That is the only just thing to be done and the responsibility for it lies on Israel wholly.

Why would it be horrible for Iran to go to war with Israel? It wasn't horrible when Russia, UK and USA went to war with Germany. Same situation.

Yep, that was the joke.

I've never seen a post where the /s seemed less necessary. You're better than this Lemmy.

There really is no such thing as clear sarcasm in this political climate.

Clear sarcasm getting blasted.

Poe's law says otherwise. Plenty of goof-balls here that would make such a claim boldfaced.

I'll send flowers to their next of kin

I'm not sure if it's recency bias or if Lemmy manages to be even worse about obvious sarcasm detection than the snoo site.

Forgot to put /s and paid the price (；一_一)

I don't understand why you guys don't revolt. Like jeez. You say the French surrender easily, you guys have capitulated completely, without even one good stand.

Fuck the dnc

Right, so effectively never.

Lord knows, we heard it enough from clinton supporters during 2016 as justification for the party's partiality towards her.

Christ. Nobody is ever good enough for some of these people, not even Bernie.

And never directly called for a ceasefire, but for 'humanitarian pause' just like Biden called for so he could rearm Zionists.