Bernie Sanders Calls for ‘NO MORE’ U.S. Funding For Netanyahu’s ‘Illegal, Immoral, Brutal, and Grossly Disproportionate War’ in Gaza

Sanders notably attributed the war in Gaza to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and “the right-wing Netanyahu government” — not to Israel in general.
This extremely obvious distinction seems to get completely lost in every discussion on the topic. I like Israel and they have the right to exist. I don't like far right conservative governments run by corrupt war criminals (but enough about Bush...).
- Absolutely. Just like caring about the fate of innocent Palestinians doesn't mean rooting for the Hamas terrorists. Another distinction a lot of bad faith actors conveniently ignore in order to shift the narrative.
  
  Absolutely.
  There are essentially 4 groups that need to be discussed here. The governments of Palestine and Israel, and the civilians of Palestine and Israel.
  The governments are both murderous monsters who feed off of each other to fuel their hatred and justify genocide.
  The civilians are the Innocents being killed and displaced.
- In part because there are people actively and deliberately muddying together the Netanyahu government and Israel (as well as Israel and Jews) so that any criticism of the actions of Israel or Netanyahu can be labeled "antisemitism".
- I mean Netanyahu has been winning elections since 1996 (granted there was a gap in the middle) so the election is getting dubious.
  
  And 72% of Palestinians believe the October 7th attack was "correct".
  https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
- I don't bother explaining when I comment, "Fuck Israel." If people don't realize that I'm referring to the government then I have zero to say to them.
  
  Would you assume someone was referring to Hamas if they said "Fuck Palestine"?
  
  Citizens should be moved into the same category as their government. The exact same way liberals lump all Republicans together because they support trump. They believe the same Zionist bullshit that they are gods chosen people (echoes of Germany Master race ideology) and it's their land. They elected Netanyahu because they support his ideology.
- Literally 1% of Israelis believe that Israel is using too much force in Gaza. The majority believes they are using too little. If Israelis had their way the genocide would be even deadlier than it is today. This is not a state or a society that should be allowed to exist in its current state. The state has to be dismantled to deprogram the fascism and genocidal ideology that it is built on and perpetuates. This is not going to happen peacefully because they refuse to let it happen peacefully, not because anyone wishes suffering on them sadistically. A system of oppression and murder that refuses to be dismantled nonviolently is going to be dismantled by force. That is the only just thing to be done and the responsibility for it lies on Israel wholly.
- It's very much Israel's war, not Netanyahu. Bernie's wrong. Isreal supports the war, not Netanyahu. Another Prime Minister might have made it worse.
  
  You're really suggesting that Netanyahu doesn't want this war?

Has this guy ever been wrong about anything?
Best President we never had.
- Pity right? Right up there with what could've been had RBG stepped down a bit earlier.
  
  I'll never forgive her for clinging on to power. She destroyed her legacy and ruined lives for the greed of it
- I mean yeah he actually wasn’t quick to denounce Israel’s genocide in Gaza. I am super happy he has come around but I think I’m the beginning he was reluctant to (not because he agreed with it, because he probably didn’t want to mess with Israeli money coming after him politically).
  
  I doubt he gives a good fuck about AIPAC setting their sights on him, they've been sniping for years.
  I can't speak for him but my bet is that he's experienced enough to wait for the dust to settle a little before forming an opinion.
  
  Dude was raised in a Jewish family and volunteered with his wife in Israel in college.
  Mad props for ever speaking out about Israel, IMO.
  
  I don't think he's alone. The Hamas attack was a shock to many people, and Israel of course would respond but... even six weeks ago it was starting to become obvious that this was a gross overreaction.
  
  I think he's too smart to call it a genocide though
  
  He had to get with the scriptwriters
- He's against nuclear power, and that's the only thing I've ever disagreed with him on.
  
  The more I learn about nuclear the less it makes sense. It's a great source of energy but it's complex and expensive to maintain. Solar, wind, hydro and geothermal are simple and becoming cheaper by the day. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which we ever require more energy than those combined could provide.
  
  There's fusion on the work, so that alleviate some energy issues without nuclear energy and fossil fuels. And fusion might even have less problems, but I don't know much about it.

Awaiting the Christian Right to call him antisemitic.
- Conservative Democrats will do it first.
  
  When haven't they done that?
- Not the first time this happened.
- The Christian right aren't Sanders actual enemies; that would be the Democratic party.

Military industrial complex goes BRRRRRRR while the oligarchy distracts you with yet another "most important election of your life" — forcing you to choose between fascist dystopia or neoliberal dystopia instead of ... actually improving the planet and society for future generations.
- ok but, trump actually directly said he plans on being a dictator... it's really the most important election in much of american history...
  
  Just because Biden is the lesser evil (and he most certainly is. By far) doesn't mean that he should be allowed to be an evil.
  He's supposed to represent the interests of every American who isn't a fascist, not a foreign government that IS fascist.
  
  That doesn't make it feel any better voting for genocide joe
- Fossil fuel industry too, since there's a shitload of natural gas off the coast of Gaza.

Yeah it's hard to disagree with this. While I don't think that the US or Canada can do much to influence the situation politically, neither should they be providing support militarily.
- Bro the US used their veto in the UN to prevent the demand for a ceasefire passing. Literally only USA and Israel voted against. The US is the most powerful country in the world for now, you'd be hard pressed to find an arena of politics they DONT have immense power over. Certainly they have power over the genocides their allies do.
  
  Palestine's torpedoed all the previous attempts at peace, haven't they? Can't fault israel from considering this is just another attempt at a respite so more rockets and tunnels can be built and more foreign support can be gathered.
  EDIT: I've taken a deeper look and found I don't know enough about this to have an informed opinion.
- Hmm, I feel like the US are why Israel can do as it pleases. If it weren't for the US backup the chances of a new war on Israel by several of it's neighbors backed by Iran would be very plausible. I don't wish for this to happen, it would be horrible, and I understand that the US should perhaps back Israel to a certain degree. But in return they can ask a lot from Israel, and if Israel doesn't even comply with not committing terrible war crimes, then the US could threaten them with not having their backs anymore.
  What I'm trying to say is: I think you underestimate the role the US can play.
  
  1% of Israelis believe that Israel is using too much force in Gaza. The majority believes they are using too little. If Israelis had their way the genocide would be even deadlier than it is today. This is not a state or a society that should be allowed to wield power in its current state. The state has to be dismantled to deprogram the fascism and genocidal ideology that it is built on and perpetuates. This is not going to happen peacefully because they refuse to let it happen peacefully, not because anyone wishes suffering on them sadistically. A system of oppression and murder that refuses to be dismantled nonviolently is going to be dismantled by force. That is the only just thing to be done and the responsibility for it lies on Israel wholly.
  
  Why would it be horrible for Iran to go to war with Israel? It wasn't horrible when Russia, UK and USA went to war with Germany. Same situation.
- providing military support is influencing the situation politically

Stop funding terrorists, stop funding evil regimes, it's not so hard

Better late than never I guess

Fucking Anti-Semite!
Edit: /s
- Nothing more antisemitic than a jew calling for an end to a genocide
  
  Yep, that was the joke.
- Clear sarcasm getting blasted. C'mon lemmy.
  
  I've never seen a post where the /s seemed less necessary. You're better than this Lemmy.
  
  There really is no such thing as clear sarcasm in this political climate.
  
  Clear sarcasm getting blasted.
  Poe's law says otherwise. Plenty of goof-balls here that would make such a claim boldfaced.
  
  I'll send flowers to their next of kin
  
  I'm not sure if it's recency bias or if Lemmy manages to be even worse about obvious sarcasm detection than the snoo site.
  
  Forgot to put /s and paid the price (；一_一)
- And to think the DNC wanted to attack him for being Jewish.
- Please don't attack stupidity with ableism.
  
  Pretty sure they're joking based on their comment history
  
  You're the one who can't detect sarcasm

Oh, so NOW he decides he has a stance on this. Okay.

Wish he was actually someone who could win and not just a talking head with good points that will never be enacted by the government.
- He can win a fair election...
  It's just to get to those you have to win a primary first.
  And as the DNC said in court, a primary is a private affair and they can influence as much as they want because at the end of the day the results don't matter and they can nominate anyone.
  
  I don't understand why you guys don't revolt. Like jeez. You say the French surrender easily, you guys have capitulated completely, without even one good stand.
  
  Fuck the dnc
  
  Right, so effectively never.

Then why is he a member of a party that does exactly that?
- Because we only have 2 parties in the US that currently have any chance to make office at that stage and Democrats are more in line with his view than Republicans. Many people from both sides really shouldn't be in either party but since there are only 2 parties, everyone picks the side that most aligns with their ideas because it's easier to get support for how they think the country should operate.
- Um, what party do you think Bernie is a member of? He is pretty famously an independent...
  
  Lord knows, we heard it enough from clinton supporters during 2016 as justification for the party's partiality towards her.
- He's not a Democrat

How brave to come forward with calls for no funding once the area has been cleansed. The apple didn't fall too far from the neolib tree
- He has been calling for deescalation since October 8th, weirdo.
  
  Christ. Nobody is ever good enough for some of these people, not even Bernie.
  
  And never directly called for a ceasefire, but for 'humanitarian pause' just like Biden called for so he could rearm Zionists.
- Bruh.

- Genuinely lol'd :)
- Old pander bear must have finally saw a revolt when the dum dum left started abandoning him.