What's a food you love, that isn't worth making from scratch?
What's a food you love, that isn't worth making from scratch?
For me, crepes ain't worth the stress to make fresh. Just buy a little pack from store and focus on filling is my go to.
What's a food you love, that isn't worth making from scratch?
For me, crepes ain't worth the stress to make fresh. Just buy a little pack from store and focus on filling is my go to.
Croissants, or any other layered flaky pastry. Like, there should be a robot for this by now.
Puff pastry. Never, ever try to make puff pastry at home, it takes forevee, vut xosts like $5 at the shops for a big packet of it
There is something better than a robot, it’s the supermarket. Never ever am I making puff pastry again.
Baklava is my answer here. That shit is so good but i don't have the patience to make it at home.
There's a machine doing all the rolling out to specific thicknesses that's used in bakeries
I've always liked morrocan pancakes, which are also a layered type of food, so decided to make them myself one day. So much much work for something that doesn't taste at least half as good as the ones from the bakery... Never again I told myself!
Store bought laminated dough is perfectly fine and freezes well. I don't mind making it because I find it's just a few minutes every so often, but I was lucky enough to learn the technique such that I don't have to think about it. Use case for making your own is you can use a specific flour or butter and fresh baked pastry is the best.
Honestly? Ramen. There are way too many ingredients that all needs to be cooked differently, and even the broth itself is a nightmare amount of effort for what you get at the end.
I spent 2 days cooking my first ramen broth, the tare, the marinated eggs and the garlic oil. It's definitely a case of tripling the batch and freeze it because it takes a lot of work regardless of the quantity.
I don't know if there is anything special about Ramen broth, but once you get used to the process, homemade bone broth is absolutely worth it.
I get pork knee joints from the Asian market, bake them at about 400 for an hour, and simmer on the stove top for a couple of days. That broth is my winter staple.
I'd say a lot of my favorite Asian dishes follow this pattern. Most of them are pretty challenging to recreate due to the amount of ingredients and types of cooking involved. Guess there's a reason they taste so good
I made homemade General Tso's and it is absolutely worth the effort. The recipe I used stayed crispy for days even with sauce on it. I could control the flavor. It was so good.
Agreed.
My gf and I love ramen and looked into making it at home. I'm the cook of the two of us but she's happy to assist.
...by step 15 of just the broth, and not even halfway through that, I just looked at her and said, "We're not doing this."
You can kind of use a simplified method to get a good broth with a pressure cooker, because from what I read, the key to getting something good seems to be a sustained hard boil with lots of collagen and fat on the meat.
You are talking about noodles? lol
Thanks for being honest with us.
Ramen is easy to make, assuming you don't prep anything and don't want the soy eggs then you can make it easily in 15 min
Then you are not making ramen.
15 minutes? To bake the baking soda maybe
Crepes? Jesus, they're one of the easiest things you can cook. Anyway, to answer your question: croissants! I've made them from scratch before and it definitely wasn't worth it. Took half a day and weren't a patch on the real thing
Even I can make crepes lol. Have one of those small pans. Make the batter, open the butter, get cracking.
Let the batter sit for 30 mins in the fridge
I have a mental block against making things one by one that have like 20 calories in them.
Brain says small things bad unless can make a million at a time.
And yeah screw making those things from scratch.
A crepe is like 100 calories and you can pour like 5 in less than 10 minutes. But anyway, to reach their own. personally I hate chopping stuff even if it takes 1 minute.
yeah it is annoying when using a small pan/stove as opposed to a giant griddle where one crepe is actually a lot
I was surprised by this too! I mean I can understand thinking that crepes will be hard because they’re pretty dainty and might be delicate, but they’re surprisingly easy to do.
Do you means from absolute scratch? Here in the Netherlands it is common to buy a can of pre-made dough for croissants. You have to roll and bake them yourself, and adding some egg is also a great idea. But it is technically not entirely from scratch.
They taste way better than the pre-baked ones that you have to re-heat. Absolutely worth the minimal effort.
What you describe is not making from scratch at all. Those are premade save the final couple of steps, no different than a frozen pizza from the grocery store. No one gets a frozen pizza and says they made it from scratch.
What do you mean re-heat? Are you heating the ones from the bakery before you eat them? Are they not eaten cold in the Netherlands?
Sushi. I just toss all the ingredients in a bowl and be done with it, instead of bothering to roll.
I usually end up with sushi taco if I try to roll.
Just roll a cone and call it Temaki.
Chirashi is valid, yo.
Sashimi, bowl of rice, fish on top, add nori and sesame seed with pickled ginger on the side.
Poke.
Cheese
This 100%…
It is so expensive/time consuming/finicky for a product that best case scenario is comparable to store bought.
Depends on type. Some cheese is easy to produce. Others require a lot of effort, time, controlled environment, etc.
Baklava. I love it. When my aunts make it it's always amazing. But holy crap if it isn't the most tedious, fiddly, obnoxious stuff to make. And that's if you're not also making your own phyllo dough... all like six miles of it that goes in a batch one vapor thin layer at a time.
That seems like one of those cases where the production is only worth it if it's a group/family tradition to get together and enjoy everyone's company while you do it.
Like...no part of my family makes baklava, but if I had a friend whose Greek or Turkish family met up once a year and made it, I would love to come help, as much for the experience as to learn about how to make it.
In my area where I grew up (if not my actual family) that food is pierogi: families will get together and make massive quantities of pierogi, usually with the grandmas of the families directing the process. Everyone goes home with dozens and dozens for the freezer.
From what I gather, it's not worth making like...one dozen for a meal, but if you're going to go through the process, you might as well make hundreds.
Crepes are stressfull? How simpler could something be?
I have a mental block against things that need to be made one by one and are like 20 calories.
I want lots of food if I do things one by one.
Have you tried two pans at the same time? Solves the one by one problem quite nicely.
Ehehe that explains it!
I literally made 15 10-inch crepes for my family this morning. Using 2 pans it took about 30-40 minutes. Made some raspberry sauce before getting the crepes going. All told, the whole process took less than an hour and was awesome.
Yeah but using pre bought it takes like 3 minutes depending on the filling.
So that's why brain say bad.
I grew up making crepes, or whatever the Mennonite equivalent is, and it's one of the easiest things in the world to me. I have a ziplock full of crepes in my freezer right now.
Cottage cheese and bessensap crepes <3
How simpler could something be
I do wonder this a lot on Lemmy
Chinese food. The common fast food type here in the US. Yeah, I can spend a bunch of time, work, and money to make orange chicken, boneless spare ribs, crab rangoon, teriyaki, coconut shrimp, and pork fried rice. Or, I can go 5 minutes up the street, and pay my favorite restaurant $20 for a big plate with all of that, with absolutely no work on my part, and it all tastes way better.
Ugh yes.
Also some of that stuff is more expensive to make at home.
First time, can be. After that not so much. I'm cheating making my own five spice and having about a decade and a half experience in Chinese kitchens, so I know their recipes.
I agree with everything on your list except the fried rice. True, If you're trying to recreate the take away recipe exactly from scratch you're going to have a bad time. But, with a big pan (if you don't have a wok) that you can get real hot it's just a leftovers dish. Leftover rice, leftover protein, frozen veggies, egg, vegetable oil, and soy sauce. It's not usually worth my time unless I already have the leftovers. The hardest part is not over loading your pan with ingredients or oil. You've also got to have everything ready when you start because it all comes together very fast if the pan is hot enough. Sure, I probably still can't beat the economy of scale of the restaurant, but the point is that I'm using up my own leftovers instead of throwing them out.
leftover rice
I do not know of which you speak
I really tried but I just can't cook it right. Those youtube chefs videos make it look so easy and make a lot less to clean up than I do.
Gyoza/potstickers/dumplings
I will inhale plates of em and the time it takes to wrap em made me both appreciate the food more and appreciate the premade ones so much more
In the same line, gnocchi.
i have depression and adhd so it varies between every food and no food based on the rng going on in the ol' endocrine
Sometimes brain say making gnocchi is no big deal.
Other times, grill cheese too much.
I just remind myself that I once thought it was a good idea to make an entire thanksgiving dinner for 3 people using a college dorm kitchen, and then the idea of frying a cheese sandwich doesn't seem that daunting.
Tip though for grilled cheese is butter the pan not the bread.
Pumpkin pie filling. The real stuff takes forever and it’s stringy. It also doesn’t taste quite the same. Libby does it so well it’s not worth making your own.
My wife says pie dough. Pillsbury’s is almost as good and a lot less effort. I prefer pie dough with a ton more butter but she doesn’t.
Gods! Making it from raw pumpkin takes so fucking long. You can get rid of the strings, but you're still going to be putzing with it forever. I don't like wasting food, so I end up doing it every Halloween, but if I'm doing pumpkin recipes any other time of year, and that has run out, I'm buying canned.
I swear, every year I have an argument with myself to just throw the scraped out stuff in the yard for the birds. They end up getting the jack o lanterns anyway so what's the big deal? But both sets of my grandparents grew up in the depression, so wasting anything is kinda impossible lol.
Jack o lantern pumpkins are not good for pies, in part because they are too stringy. A sugar pumpkin is the way to go if you want to do it from scratch.
I haven't bought canned pumpkin in 20 years. It's not bad to process and freeze it, and with good pie pumpkins, it's unparalleled. Plus you get home roasted pumpkin seeds as a bonus.
Yes to pumpkin pie filling. I should mail you some Lakeshore, better than Libby's.
The store bought pie dough isn't vegetarian because it's made with lard. I learned that when I served a pie to some vegetarian friends.
Croissants. Only really good when an independent coffee shop makes someone come in at 4am to start making them. Even the industrial ones at the big chains or supermarkets are pretty meh and it's way too complex and time consuming to do myself but made right they are one of the best foods.
Yeah I make a lot of bread but croissants are a whole other level of complicated.
Not to mention that seeing how much butter goes into them would probably make me not want to eat them.
This is like a lot of pastry that uses laminated dough, having them fresh out of the oven as intended is completely different than supermarket. I dunno what process you were using but there's some easier ones and I find they all freeze incredibly well. Once I froze a few full muffin trays of kouign amann to bring somewhere and popped them in an oven, turned out perfect.
Butter. I churned some once and no. Never again. Also ice cream, for similar reasons. And because we have some ice cream here that's very nice.
IMO homemade ice cream is primarily for making flavors you can't get otherwise.
I am a vanilla ice cream being. Or banana which is more difficult, but ultimately findable!
Ice cream snob here, I can make better stuff at home than at any grocery store, but I can't top a good gelateria if you're lucky enough to have one nearby. If I didn't have access to a good local spot I'd still make it.
I grew up on a farm and we used to make homemade butter. I've lived off the farm for more than 20 years and I have not made butter since I left. The minor difference in cost is simply not worth the effort.
Agreed. I'll gladly spend the extra buck for kerrygold. Not quite as good as homemade with high quality cream, but more than close enough (and cheaper depending on just how high quality were talking with the cream).
You can use a stand mixer, btw. Only really worth it for compound butter though, IMO.
I'd still rather just buy some nice butter! Compound, maybe in the future.
Stand mixer, hand mixer, food processor , magic bullet. All fast and easy
Cultered butter is amazing, and it's easy to churn in a stand mixer.
Same with ice cream. An ice cream maker makes the difference.
This is the only reason I will occasionally make butter. To make it from creme fraiche cultured with buttermilk. More flavor.
Ice cream I sometimes make by freezing a mix that includes some booze as antifreeze, then once completely frozen, cut into chunks and whir it in the food processor. Then back into the freezer. That stays pretty nice, is lovely. Started this because one of my (grown) kids is vegan and it works with coconut milk as the cream.
I beat whipped cream by hand once. Once.
Huh. I am the exact opposite, for a small amount I usually don't want to drag out the mixer, so put metal bowl, whisk, and carton of cream in the freezer for a few minutes then whip some cream. It is a workout but somehow seems easier than mixer. Almost always whip cream by hand.
Homemade ice cream is worth it if you have the equipment for it, by which I mostly mean the actual churning machine. All the custard and stuff is a lot fiddlier if you don't have a stand mixer or a family member to mix for you, but it's still doable.
Ravioli, pierogies, wontons. Basically anything small that's wrapped up like that. Huge PITA and the quality improvement usually isn't worth it.
Maybe something worth doing in a social setting with a group though. Have some beers and BS while assembling everything.
Gotta disagree on the pierogi front. I don't make them often, but homemade is so much better than the boxed stuff that occasionally making a huge batch and freezing a bunch is totally worth it.
I 100% endorse this comment and am glad to see someone here representing. Anyone who says store bought pirogi's are almost as good has not had good homemade ones. They are next level.
Raviolis were worth it when I was making a huge huge amount and then freezing bags of them. Then over the course of months could just eat them whenever! For a single meal? No, terrible
Homemade pasta is indescribably better. If you get a pasta maker, it's not even that hard. Just a bit time consuming. And it's sooooo yummy.
I tried tortillini once, they turned out worse than the frozen kind at the store (I took too long and my dough dried out). Never again.
Tortellini look extra annoying. I always thought they were done with a machine.
The wife and I will do dumplings every once in a while, but it's definitely not worth the trouble unless we do a couple hundred at once.
Phở Bo (Vietnamese beef soup). It’s such an amazingly good soup, but the making of it is a multi-step process that takes hours.
https://www.cooking-therapy.com/traditional-vietnamese-pho-recipe/
I've got to disagree. When I make it, it tastes so much richer than the more quickly made stuff you can get at any restaurant. The two don't even compare.
Edit: Even more so, bo kho. The homemade stuff takes me about 14 hours for a big batch with lots of leftovers. I can't even bother eating the stuff made at restaurants where they cut corners and don't simmer all day.
If you've got a pressure cooker you can make pho ga (chicken pho) in under 30 minutes and it's almost as good as beef in my opinion. Also way cheaper to make than beef pho.
I used to think this until I spent a month tinkering with different recipes and ideas to make a good "cheater pho". Pho that doesn't take 1 day to make yet gets about 90% of the tastes of a great pho. I think i succeeded but it's probably basphamy to some people.
I found the food networks recipe to be a great starting place if you want to give it a shot.
Pho. I have a killer recipe for the instant pot but it basically works out to the same price as just buying it from our local takeout. And they're Vietnamese.
Can you share the recipe please?
So sorry, I forgot to reply.
Pho
MEAT:
Bring a big pot of water to the boil and drop the meat (except the meatballs and flank) into the boiling water. Furiously boil for 10 minutes. Drain and wash the meat under the tap.
Turn on the broiler, put the ginger and onion in, cut side up, until nicely charred.
Fill the instant pot to 1 inch below full line (12 cups/3 quarts or a little more). Add the washed meat (not the meatballs, not the flank) to the water and adjust water if overfilled. Then add the charred veg and the flavor ingredients.
Lid on, pressure cook button and set to 1 hour and 30 minutes. Prep toppings. Add the noodles to cold water and soak for at least 30 minutes. Let the pressure cooker depressurize naturally when done. During this time, prepare a pot of boiling water for the meatballs and noodles.
Once the Instant Pot beeps finished, boil the meatballs in water for 10 minutes. When these are done, remove, and leave the water boiling ready for the noodles. When ready to serve, dip the noodles in the boiling water for 1-2 minutes and remove immediately.
Open Instant Pot and remove meat to cut and plate. Strain the broth. If you have time, strain it a second time through a piece of kitchen towel to remove extra impurities. Return broth pot to Instant Pot and turn to low saute - taste and adjust seasonings as needed.
Plate up the food, starting with noodles, then meat, flank, broth, then toppings and sauce. Get slurpy.
Pretty please.
Corn tortillas. It's a lot easier to just buy some.
I disagree on this one, corn tortillas are really simple if you have a press. The dough is literally just mix masa and water. And to cook them, you just put it on a hot surface for 30 seconds. Meanwhile corn tortillas from the store are always so dry and tasteless, they're rarely worth buying
I agree a lot of commercial corn tortillas are not good. I particularly don't like the fake-soft ones that have dough conditioners and preservatives for no reason. But with as much cooking as I do, I can't bring myself to make tortillas when I make masa - I always end up doing pupusas, arepas or tamales. My main use of corn tortillas is enchiladas casserole style so homemade ones are kind of pointless since they 75% disintegrate.
My kids won't even eat store bought tortillas.
Yup I can't find anything in the stores that compares and I don't mind making them. Really only do this in the summer when there's some garden ingredients though, with a ground meat or bean sauce for protein.
Part corn part wheat is the best tortilla, but I can't buy them near me so i make them sometimes.
Xiao long bao (aka soup dumpling). Also, made from scratch Tonkotsu Ramen.
Tried making them both. So much work.
Tater Tots.
Now I dont "love" them as a standalone but I do a few really nice loaded versions for catering family events. I tried to "elevate" my dishes by making my own and while I could and they were a little better it took half a day and a shitload of mess.
Honestly, you could probably make loaded hash browns and just make them slightly smaller and it would be pretty awesome. But I do agree that I'm not a big fan of the soak time for potatoes and getting them to bond and cook right.
Tbh, not much.
That being said, spaghetti sauce. Yeah, home made is better, but "doctoring" a jarred sauce gets 95% as good without hours of work. You can't fix the canned shit, but I've not found a jarred sauce that I can't tweak with fresh herbs and some quickly sweated aromatics and end up with something that people love. It also satisfies my picky ass. Now, I will say that fucking ragu is pretty shit overall, and doctoring it only goes so far. But it is still good enough that making sauce from scratch ain't happening.
Edit:
There seems to be a lot of range in spaghetti sauce recipes. It's also important to note that I'm not talking about marinara.
So, the real time involved is split between prep and simmering.
Here's how we do it. Remember this is an american talking here, so don't redirect expect something traditionally Italian. And I'm a southerner that's mostly german and Scots-Irish, so don't expect any new York style stuff lol.
You take your tomatoes, skin them however you prefer. I use a quick dip in boiling water, aka blanching.
You give those peeled tomatoes a rough chop into nice size chunks. Now, the kind of tomato matters for that because something like a roma e isn't gong to need as many chops as a beefsteak. You'd usually be using something like a roma anyway, but if your neighbor drops off a giant bucket of tomatoes, you can only use what you got, you know?
You chop up an onion, maybe two. You mince some garlic, maybe half a bulb if you really like garlic. I love garlic, so I go heavy.
Now, that's your usual start. Most people in my family don't add anything else in the way of veggies. Me? I like to char a couple of red or yellow bell peppers, skin them, and get them in there too. If I'm feeling frisky, I might have zucchini, eggplant, or whatever else cut up and ready to add at the appropriate time too, but that's optional.
You get the onions sweating. While they're starting, you feet your herbs together. Idgaf about fresh vs dried, each has benefits for flavor, you do what you prefer. I do oregano, basil, marjoram, a little thyme, and that's it. I'm simple.
A little black pepper, a little salt (you really don't need much, maybe a teaspoon for a big batch; salt your damn pasta water instead) to taste.
Once the onions are almost ready, I add the peppers since the quick char and steam to peel them tends to get them halfway cooked anyway.
This is around a half hour of work for most people. For me, it's closer to an hour. Yay disability!
Then you add your tomatoes, herbs, and any optional veggies. Bring to boil, reduce to simmer.
After that, it's patience. You're making sure any veggies added are tender, and after that it's cooking things down and letting the flavors develop. And, I promise you, anything under a half hour of simmering isn't going to taste right, and will be super runny. You'll usually have what amounts to chunky tomato water until close to the hour mark. For a big pot (my biggest is 6 quarts, and it starts damn near full when I do it) an hour and a half is bare minimum for the right thickness.
Now, if you're going to jar that up, you're done except for that part, which isn't involved in what I originally said.
If you're going to add meat, you'll want to start browning it off about a half hour ahead of when the thickness will be right. You add the cooked meat in and let it simmer for 15 minutes at minimum. Do yourself a favor and deglaze the pan used with a nice, semisweet red wine, add that to the pot and go at least a half hour after adding it.
Now, exactly how long it needs to simmer is variable because you're dealing with tomatoes, and the water content varies between varieties, time of year, weather conditions, etc. But I've never had a full sized batch take less than an hour and a half counting from the initial bring-to-boil stage.
I dunno, maybe there's time savers I've never thought of. Maybe the folks saying it's a half hour are doing a different version of "from scratch", or whatever. But that's how we do it, and it's pretty much what the typical recipes I've seen online do (I went and checked because I wondered if I was crazy lol), plus or minus some details that don't really change simmer time.
I've had some batches need a full two hours of simmering. And, yeah, you don't have to stand over the pot the whole time, but chances are you'll still be in the kitchen cleaning, keeping an eye on things stirring occasionally, adding any herbs or spices to adjust taste as it goes, etc. So it isn't like you can just pop down to the local pub (or equivalent in your location) and go by time alone. You'll still be in the general vicinity, with the added heat and humidity from cooking.
But that's why I rarely go from scratch. I can pick up a jar of whatever, add some herbs, extra garlic and/or onions, brown any meat and then the deglaze and be done in under an hour from start to finish, including prep. The taste isn't the same, nor is the texture, but it's still yummy.
Honestly it's the price that makes jarred sauce not worth it for me. They've gotten ridiculous.
They have, haven't they? Mind you everything is getting ridiculous, but still.
I’m a huge fan of Rao’s sauce, but the price jumped from about $4 a jar to $10 last year and I just can’t justify that. I sometimes find it on sale for under $5 and def grab it, but it’s rare these days.
Hours? Literally takes half an hour and you can just leave it donits own thing while its working in the pot lol
Apparently, either my family recipe is a shit ton more complex than the norm, or in not talking about the same kind of sauce other people are lol.
Also, that includes prep time
I learned from America's Test Kitchen to look at the ingredients. If the first ingredient is tomato paste or tomato concentrate, pass. If it is tomatoes, it will probably be fine. Although usually this means a more expensive jar, there are plenty of expensive/fancy looking jars that don't pass this test.
That said, Del Grosso's has a premium line with "Aunt Mary Anne's Marinara". It is our go-to and far and away the best I've tried.
I came here to hard disagree, especially with the crepes example, but egg on my face and apologies all around: I am with you regarding spaghetti sauce.
I just don't consider any of that an answer to the question. For the most part, nobody is expecting every individual ingredient of a meal to be made from the raw ingredients (I don't actually think sauce is a lot of hands on work, but I don't usually bother to make it either). While I have a pasta maker and love fresh homemade pasta, if I make a lasagna from store bought noodles, jarred sauce, and store bought ricotta, nobody is going to yell at me for calling it homemade. The version with fresh pasta, homemade sauce, and homemade ricotta is going to be better (OK, I haven't done ricotta so I might make it gross), but the first one still counts.
I’m the exact opposite on spaghetti sauce. I find an incredible sauce is very easy to make heaps of with San Marzano tomatoes and tastes almost zero effort, just lots of time. But then I have like ten spaghettis’ worth and it’s wrecks shop on any jar sauce!
Oh yeah I tried eating some out of the jar and BLEH.
Just more Garlic makes such a difference in most jars.
Italian scratching his head here. I can think of only one particular type of ragu that takes a few hours to make properly and is obviously not what's being discussed here due to jars, doctoring sweating and general confusion.
Mate putting together a tomato sauce from scratch for some spaghetti shouldn't take longer than the time it takes to the water to boil plus the 9 or so minutes that it takes to cook the pasta you are overthinking it
Pretty sure they’re talking about the brand Ragu, which is some of the cheapest jarred spaghetti sauce you can get in the US.
That said, toss me one of those easy tasty sauce recipes?
Yeah, I'm talking about the brand ragu.
Also, it seems that my family recipe is more involved than the norm lol
My sauces take a few hours to make, but they’re insanely good.
I made ragu for the first time about a year ago, and it was outstanding. I gotta make some more of that.
I'm American, and do use jarred sauce if I have it, but more often what I have is tomato paste, a half bottle of wine hanging out in the refrigerator and some garlic or olive oil and butter. Anchovies. Usually have canned peeled tomatoes too, but those do have to cook awhile to taste good.
I guess I don't set out to replicate jarred sauce, generally speaking, but can quickly dress pasta for supper with something good.
I used to doctor storebought sauces too. Recently though, I've just been buying those cans of cento crushed tomatoes. They're a blank slate, and probably better quality tomatoes too.
Macaroons. I have made them from scratch. I can appreciate the sophisticated sublime expression of culinary caution it takes to split egg white, whip them until hard peaks, and then gently and precisely fold in the other ingredients to get the flavor you are after... But holy hell is it tedious with lots of potential for failure most of the way.
Alternatively, making cinnamon rolls from scratch. Not because it's hard, just because it takes too long. I believe the recipe I was using allowed the dough to rise three separate times. Simple enough to make, but planning ahead for them to be breakfast is a 16:00 the previous day commitment.
Because I'm dumb, do you mean macarons? Or do you actually flavor your macaroons? If you do what flavors do you recommend for them? I assume something tropical to go with the coconut?
Macarons, mobile doing mobile things.
French Fries. For those who don't know, when starting with a potato, you have to fry them twice. Once at a low temp to cook through, then again at a high temp to crisp up and brown. The frozen fries at the grocery have already had the first fry.
The double frying is just too much effort when the frozen stuff is just as good, even in an air fryer. So long as they're hot, the drive thru can compete with anything you make at home.
I used to feel the same way about egg rolls, but the product you get from scratch is superior to frozen or even take out.
You know you can make baked fries right? They are very easy and tasty.
What do you think an air fryer is? It’s nothing more than a small convection oven.
Baked "fries" hardly compare. Flavor, texture, it's all different.
Try letting them soak in water for a while after cutting them. Then dry them off before coating in oil and frying them. We do them in the air fryer that way. Not the same as deep fried but it’s good and close enough for us while being little effort.
For extra yummy at home fried food, mix 4 parts table salt with 1 part MSG and use as fry salt.
I'd rather make Kenji's crispy potatoes instead now. You add baking soda and boil potatoes for 10 mins, it get the outside super mushy, you toss in a bowl with oil and they get covered in this potato paste, then oven high heat until cwispy.
Fried chicken and croissants.
Bubble tea. I've made everything from scratch before, but it's so much easier to just buy one and let someone else cook the boba.
Yeah the biggest annoyance is the tapioca. It's hard to get just right (chewy but not too soft), you cant really make large batches and save it for later and it takes a long time just to make a single serving for one drink.
Almost anything that involves phyllo dough. Banitsa is worth occasionally doing homemade only because you can't really find it anywhere, but anything else is just not worth it.
Apple Pie. The first step is nearly impossible.
captain america meme: I understood that reference
I missed the reference but I make a great apple pie. Homemade crust makes a difference.
Puff pastry.
Halal Chicken and Lamb over rice. I've made my own at home before and after all the effort that goes into making the sauces, the meats, the rice, and veggies, I somehow end up with a dish that cost at least twice what street carts sell, at 5 times the length to make it and isn't as good. I wouldn't make it at home unless I lived somewhere where that was the only way I could get it
Even more so, bo kho.
I just want to express my appreciation for this phrase.
I also do agree that homemade broth is worth making, but it is more a byproduct of having made something else for me. And it's not difficult just takes a long time. Chuck everything in the slow cooker overnight, in the morning there is stock. Then from the bones of that stock you can make the bone broth, again overnight will work.
A lot of French cuisine. Not talking about laminated dough here which I've done many times. More so the complete modern French meal involving multiple reductions and real demiglace and all the techniques that seem to require a full restaurant process. It's the one style of food I will go to a restaurant and happily pay for once in a while, I understand why it's expensive to make and respect the skill it takes.
The other style I food I do this with is the very opposite, shitty fast food I can't make at home.
mise en place ;) demi-glace you can make a couple of times a year in bulk and just freeze the little jello cubes, to have on hand whenever.
I don't have enough meat scraps and carcasses coming through to make proper demi-glace or stock in the quantity I use so I prefer a dehydrated powder used in restaurant service for home use. My scraps usually end up in a single soup recipe.
And yeah I love making French stews and all that, and I make components of French meals, but I'm talking like a full contemporary French menu from appetizer to dessert. To me that's a very simple menu, some basic ingredients of exceptional quality, each prepared in a way that makes them taste as good as they can using techniques it takes a lot of experience to get good at, with some experimental or playful element that isn't too pretentious, then plated and presented in a creative way. That type of meal I will gladly pay for because it's almost the fact someone else has imagined it and made it real that makes it worth it, like I wanna see what kind of tricks they're doing that I wouldn't have thought to do. Not only that but everything has to come together perfectly for it to work, and even if I know I can technically do it all, can I do it all at once by myself as a home cook? That's why I respect the restaurant process for this style of food.
Sub sandwiches are legitimately the same price or even less expensive if you buy it from a restaurant compared to buying all the ingredients yourself.
Similar with gyros.
I guess if you're buying all the ingredients and only making a single sandwich instead of the 4-5 sandwiches you could have made the that makes sense.
Half the stuff I buy for sandwiches goes bad before I use it all. To avoid that to eat the same shit every day and after 2-3 it just tastes gross to me.
If you do that it will come out maybe a dollar or two cheaper and besides, at least for me a lot of it will go bad.
Yup the city near me is known for it's sub shops, an old steel town which makes sense, just can't beat the options they have for the price.
One has better quality
Cereal!
Pastelles. Find some grandma who makes them by the thousand. Don't buy Goya, they won't be as good.
Apparently my cousin makes bomb pastelles using a freaking blender.
How are you supposed to get the blood in there using a blender??
Still tasted good tho.
There's a lot, most of which I make anyway for sake of cost/volume ratios, but in no particular order...
Tomato paste (love to use, can't be arsed to make my own), sriracha (like it but don't use enough for the amount I make), waffles (don't crave them nearly as much as I used to), scotch eggs (love 'em, hate making 'em), pickled asparagus (which really sucks because they're so good), lotus root chips (maybe if I had a fry daddy, air fried just doesn't do it), chicarrones (lots off local places make 'em fresh and cheap), horchata (same), meat pies (there's a local Brit shop that sells 'em), falafel (lots of local vendors), jalebi (way too much work)...
cinnamon rolls
Oh my God fuck cinnamon rolls and I love them. If any recipe involves a suggestion for getting unscented non waxed floss just to cut the shapes something is wrong with the level of effort they expect from me.
https://www.bonappetit.com/recipe/cinnamon-date-sticky-buns
These are great, done them about 10 times now, realized I didn't hate making cinnamon buns I just hated the recipes. I dunno what it is with the standard "just like grandma's" cinnamon bun recipes but it seems like an excuse for making it overly complicated.
yes and you have to make them like 10 years before you actually want to eat them
You do you, but those are not difficult to make IMHO. I make a ton of batter and keep it in a squeeze bottle so I can easily make my kid pancakes in the morning
For me it's macarons and most baked goods
I still make lasagna from scratch but that's because I have to use gluten free pasta. All the pre made versions are awful
Pancakes and crepes are significantly different.
Significantly? One is thick and fluffy due to a couple of extra ingredients and one is thin and light. They're basically the same thing base ingredients, prep and cooking method wise.
Macarons are one I picked up a few years back. I'd be damned if I'm paying almost $3 for a cookie after my niece asked for some at the store. I went home, compared recipes and had a few dozen in front of her that night. They're time consuming, but much of the time is waiting for them to set, which is perfect for my ADHD ass cause I just forget about them for 30 mins to a couple hours. It's a skill that has definitely paid off, and I love giving them to everyone who has never tried one because of the price.
Anything with a lot of Indian spices. I just buy the paste in jars.
I used to do this but after falling down a YouTube rabbit hole I can make a balti from scratch very quickly. Onions, garlic, ginger, chilies, tomatoes + coriander powder, turmeric, chili powder, garam masala, dried fenugreek leaves.
Throw in some chicken and finish with coriander (cilantro for the Americans)
Stuffed vine leaves. I made them once for a gathering I had and they took me about 3 hours in all. Everyone loved them but for the time they took me, and how much of a pain in the arse they were to make, it wasn't worth it. The ready made ones in tins are just fine.
Never made any before but broth doesn't seem worth it unless you make a big batch, even then I don't have the room for a big ass pot or a gallon of broth in my fridge/freezer.
It's not hard, or overly time consuming, assuming you're making it from scraps you've already cooked.
If you're setting out to make it from scratch, it's expensive and a waste of time/fuel.
Beef/chicken/vegi stock, totally. I have to drive 65 miles to the closest store that sells pork stock, but I can get pork bones from my local butcher, so it's absolutely worth it to make my own pork stock for home made hot and sour soup.
I just don't get enough scraps for how much I cook with stock. I'll have a couple ziplocks of bones and veg and roast them, then boil, deglaze the roasting pans into the pot, boil, boil, reduce, reduce... great now I can make... a few servings of soup, a cup of concentrate for sauces.
There are a couple of things that make this easier :
Concentrate it.
My broth/stock hack is to just get a bulk canister of dehydrated stock powder marketed to restaurants, you can find perfectly acceptable quality-wise for any use at home and its consistent. I do save things for making soups but come on... you're not gonna get a quantity that's worth all the effort if you're just going through the food you'd eat at home. These ingredients how they're used today were basically invented through restaurant processes where you have large quantities of ingredients and importantly, meat scraps like trimmings bones and carcasses coming through daily on a predictable schedule.
Yeah, my go-to is the powder because I can easily make a quart or a gallon right before I need it instead of 24 hrs before.
Brunch. I'm too hungover to be cooking anything.
Definitely lots of food out there I'm not cooking from scratch but any "food I love" is probably something I'm cooking from scratch to begin with.
French fries. When I make them at home they suck.
I find frozen fries from the grocery store that are either air fried or deep fried are pretty good. My fries from scratch have always been disappointing or an ordeal.
Honestly, brownies. From scratch versus box I hardly notice a difference and in some instances the box was better... And the box is a lot less work.
Wide rice noodles. If you've ever tried to make pad kee mao (drunken noodle) with dried rice noodles you know it's essentially not even worth it. The noodles are too important to the dish and the dried ones curl up and are just awful. My wife and I eventually figured out how to make fresh wide rice noodles and while it's very simple to do so (rice flour slurry into a cake pan, steam it) it's very laborious and time intensive. I'll do some laborious stuff (bake my own bread, homemade yogurt and soft cheese, pasta and red sauce etc) but damn if one of my favorite foods isn't too much work for all but special occasions.
Thank god we found a place a mile away that sells fresh noodles. Now we can have it whenever we want.
crepes
Jesus Christ OP are you disabled
I challenge you to do it this week.
https://youtu.be/wnga8dGIdZ0?si=lL7yIyK63ssY2gym
https://www.pbssocal.org/food-discovery/food/weekend-recipe-crepes-with-sugar-and-lemon
Was gonna throw Dominique Ansel's crepe process up, it's what I use now. Grew up making crepes this way with my Mennonite grandma (minus the pan caramel), but the way he mixes the dough is a lot smarter to not have any lumps.
It's cheaper to get a chipotle burrito per serving than it is to make it as close as possible to the restaurant version at home.
I spent years looking for a correctly sized tortilla (I found one in a little Mexican convenience store once out of state for a wedding and it made it all the more frustrating for a long time lol). Then Old El Paso Grande tortillas showed up at a Walmart near me and I buy them by the box on Amazon now and can finally have burrito size burritos.
Anyways, those are like 80% rice, and rice is dirt cheap. I'm guessing it's 4-6 ounces of meat max. Unless you're using premium cuts of steak (which they aren't), no way it costs as much.
Churros! The recipe, by itself, is kinda easy. But, to do a really good one, it needs to be done in a perfect way. A very, very tiny error, while not ruining the recipe, will made a "maybe tasty, but not that good" one! I would rather to buy in a street food place and eat if I want to. I live in Brazil, so it is kinda easy to find one!
I can't cook, so basically almost all the food in the world
Cooking is one of those things you have to do at least twice a day so I can’t understand not taking the time to learn unless you live in New York City and only have a hot plate or something.
Because you don't have to do it twice a day. We live in a society of people with lots of skills so having others that handle the cooking and you handle some other important beneficial task would be fine.
And then to fill space between wanting to eat what everyone else is having, using preserved or easy to eat items at home would fill the gap. That would be a rational society though. But we all need to be individually independent.
döner and shawarma are si amazing but I don't see how to scale it down well. maybe for a barbecue
smoked wings
Curry paste
Pizza. Every time I've tried it's stuck to the stone and when I just got something to cook it was no better than the local place.
did u add corn meal
Hotter oven
Drier dough
Thinner crust
Less sauce/ toppings
Flour the pizza spatula
If you preheat the Stone and send the pizza off a wooden peal (which will take some practice, granted), the dough will start to crisp right away and it shouldn't be stuck at all when you go to turn it in a few minutes. You don't even need oil. Cooking cold pizza from a cold stone though, that makes sticking much more likely. Also like that other guy said, use a little bit of cornmeal and flour under the pie, or I hear you can use semolina flour, which is courser apparently.
Try shaping and topping the pizza on parchment paper. After being on the hot stone for ~3 mins, you can just slide the paper out from under the pizza.