Amazon and Tolkein Estate force author to destroy all copies of his work. Only pirated copies will survive.
‘Lord of the Rings’: Amazon and Tolkien Estate Win Copyright Lawsuit Over TV Show, Copycat Book
Heh, more of this shit.
Remember, the only reason we can still watch the highly influential 1922 vampire movie Nosferatu today is because some people didn't destroy all their copies despite a court saying they had to.
DISOBEY DESTRUCTION ORDERS.
COPY ALL THE THINGS.
The author in question here was pretty shitty. He wrote his own sequel to called "Fellowship of the King", and then sued Amazon and the Tolkien estate saying they stole elements from his book. He lost, and the Tolkien estate countersued.
The guy played stupid games and won stupid prizes.
Yeah, I read. I don't have much sympathy for him. He sounds like a jerk.
IMO preserving the content is more important than honoring him (or, for that matter, humiliating him).
I can't help being curious, who are these "Tolkien Estate" people? I want NAMES!
Hey this is a pretty interesting story, got a link?
Here a pretty good version of it
https://www.npr.org/2022/03/15/1086605684/try-as-she-might-bram-stokers-widow-couldnt-kill-nosferatu
I didn't see anything on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nosferatu?wprov=sfla1
Some older dutch movies were released as rentals to the theaters that had to be returned after they stopped playing the movie. These copies were all destroyed and re-releases on DVD now look worse than what it looked like in movie theatres.
The good news is that some theatres hung on to some movies.
Thank goodness. Have those copies resurfaced and gone into the possession of proper archivists and/or research collections?
In my opinion LotR should've already entered the public domain but thanks to Disney well have to wait until 2044 for that.
Can't have the already well-off children go without their steady income that they didn't have to work for...
Well how else are we supposed to encourage people to be related to people who develop intellectual property? It makes sense from a neponomic standpoint.
Embracer is gonna be the next one to beg for an extension.
Reasonable takes like this hurt daddy's profits... is u a domestic terrorist?
Worse, a foreign one
It may as well be, they’re endorsing all sorts of shit content lately (like the Golem game, or the ring of power)
The books go into public domain in 20 years. Now that Christopher Tolkien is out of the way (who tended to block a lot of stuff, for better or worse) , the current heirs want as much out of it as they can.
20 years might sound like a lot, but that's about as much time as between the Peter Jackson movies and now.
I haven't played the gollum game, but rings of power was actually good tho
Tbh they seem to be a lot more "hands off" with non-canon stuff, which I think includes all of the LOTR/middle earth licensed games, and that's not a bad thing imo.
Don't worry, they'll manage to get it extended again before 2044.
Such optimism that it wont be extended again.
Steamboat Willie, the first Mickey Mouse cartoon, will become public domain in literally 13 days.
You can't just extend copyright indefinitely. It's not like a patent, where you can make minute changes and claim it's a new product. The original works have a copyright limit of 95 years after the first date of publish (thanks Disney and other corporate lobbyists).
If we go by The Return of the King, it was published in 1955. That means the words, the story, the settings, and the characters will be public domain in 2050. Steamboat Willie, on the other hand, was published in 1928. That means it expires at the end of this year. Unless Disney can convince Congress to change copyright law again, these copyrights all have hard expiration dates.
ETA: Disney might have a case where they can claim copyright on the information they added or changed from the original works, just like how they can still claim copyright over Mickey after losing Steamboat Willie.
And I'm sure they will, because fuck society, amirite? /s
Demand reform.
30 years from publication, no exceptions.
I think an argument could be made to set it to the date of death of the author. I agree with the other guy that it should only apply to commercial works though.
I also don't think that the copyright should be transferable. The trading of ideas is an absurd concept to me. But then us humans do a lot of absurd things so I guess it's just par for the course.
And for commercial purposes only. If you're not making money off of it, you should be able to use it however you want.
Apparently it did for a short while in the US, but not anymore.
Well public domain or not this changes nothing for the sailors of the high seas.
not exactly. You can of course still get existing works by pirating them.
But if the Tolkien works entered the public domain, anyone could use them for any creative purposes freely. And yes, a lot of the new material would be trash. But some excellent works would appear to.
A good example of this is Lovecraft's works and the Cthulhu Mythos, that although not public domain until recent years, Lovecraft encouraged others to use his own creations on their own stories, thus expanding the literary universe of his own creation. Some stories are awful, but there has also been a ton of great works based on Lovecraft's creations that couldn't have existed otherwise.
LotR should've already entered the public domain
Where is the petition to sign up for?
Should copyright for works that old be expired? Yes!
In the actual world we live in, was this guy ever going to avoid being sued so hard that his grandchildren will be embarrassed for him? No!
You've got to admire the lemming-like devotion to the legal cliff he threw himself off though. Writing a sequel to not only a copyright work, but one that is still in the cultural zeitgeist thanks to a 20-year old wildly successful series of films? Ballsy. Subsequently suing one of the largest companies in the world and the estate that produced the original works as infringing his copyright?
Chutzpa, I believe the term is.
20 year old films? I didn’t realise someone had made the movies before Peter Jackson…
checks date of release
…fuck
They did make an animation before Peter Jackson's release and I'm too afraid to look at that date
Yeah, this guy didn’t have a leg to stand on. There’s an independently owned cafe opposite sarhole mill (inspiration for “the shire”) on the street JRR Tolkien grew up on called “the hungry hobbit”. It’s been called that since 2005 - before the release of the hobbit film. A production company sued this tiny sandwich shop, sitting on a roundabout 3 miles south of Birmingham for the unauthorised use of the word “hobbit”. That was completely egregious imo. It’s now called “the hungry hobb” - they just took down the last two letters on the sign. I really should grab a sandwich from them one day.
Hobbit was a word way before J.R.R. wrote his books, stupid that they were able to sue them
Ballsy? He's an outright copyright troll and anyone celebrating him here in the comments should read the article...
He wrote a knockoff book and then tried to claim Tolkien's characters as his own and sue his estate? Does nobody remember the days of BS software patent trolls trying to claim they invented "the app" or "method for clicking on things with the mouse cursor?" Do we remember how mad we were at those shysters?
This guy deserves whatever he gets.
I read through the article but it doesn't seem to specify the nature of the book. How do we know it's a "knock off"? It might very well be fanfiction. Copyright law aside, fanfiction can be original and is a valid artistic expression.
This is quite a nuanced issue. The author is claiming that the Rings of Power copied his ideas. Even if the author didn't have the legal right to publish this book, he might have put original ideas into his work, and the Tolkien Estate should not automatically own these. The copyright owner "should" (within the current legal framework) be able to make you take down your derivative work, but they don't own it. The article doesn't specify why the original lawsuit was dismissed.
Honestly, I'm surprised he wasn't embarrassed to claim that any part of that tedious shitheap of storytelling that Amazon produced had been lifted from his work.
The few episodes of that ridiculous black-hole of entertainment are the only things I have ever watched where I truly wanted those hours of my life back.
You felt much more strongly about it than me then. I just found myself not caring about it in the slightest; the only thing I really felt was boredom. Which is arguably the worst possible outcome for any work of art.
Speaking of Chutzpah...
"The Fellowship of the King" title is a combination of the titles of the first book in the LOTR trilogy "The Fellowship of the Ring" and the third book "The Return of the King".
"The Two Trees" title is similar to the second book in the LOTR trilogy "The Two Towers"
Look, I agree his works shouldn't be destroyed, just not monetizable.
But the dude poked a bear with a sharp stick... Suing the creators of the story/characters you've built your content on for copyright infringement? Brilliant move....
Right? Like I’d go write Harry Potter 8 and then sue WB lol that guy is nuts.
Suing the creators
JRR Tolkein has been dead for fifty years.
He explicitly sued Tolkiens estate. Effectively the same.
Your semantics aren't appreciated.
This is more like smacking a warhead with a hammer until it blows like in Loony Tunes. It is a shockingly suicidal decision with predictable results. He'll be in debt for the rest of his life and should be thankful the Tolkien estate didn't have him flayed for his impudence. Learning about how out of touch with reality the author is does make me curious how unhinged his book might be, though. If it turns out to be "The Room" of lotr fanficfiction I'd like to see it fan canonized just to spite the most litigious family in literature.
Copyright's explicit purpose is to encourage new works.
Any form of "unpublishing" is theft from the public. You wanna say a guy can't make money on a thing? Great, fine, go nuts. But nothing any human being put effort into deserves to be lost forever.
Copyright doesn't encourage new works. If anything, copyright discourages new works by locking fair use and transformative behind an expensive legal process. Digitization in America is illegal by default except for books where a judge ruled it's transformative enough.
The proven method to encourage new works is to have no copyright. But alas, publishers back then didn't appreciate that others print "their" books. Higher quality cover? More durable paper? Book is out of print? Zero profits? Give me money or fuck off. Publishers sure didn't change.
Yeah nothing says "write a book" like all revenue going to whichever corporation bootlegs it on the fanciest paper.
The explicit, stated purpose of copyright was to encourage sharing of ideas. When it lasted originally 14 years, it worked. Before that, you might have had a great idea and kept it to yourself because why take years of your life researching a subject and writing a book when a publisher's going to immediately copy it and pay you nothing? 14 years is plenty of time to get a return on your investment and most importantly, after that, it didn't belong to you anymore. It belonged to everyone.
For example, that would mean District 9 and Hunger Games would be in the public domain right now.
But nothing any human being put effort into deserves to be lost forever.
Except for Mein Kampf, Birth of a Nation, and What is a Woman
Mein Kampf is sold even in Germany end Austria, because we recognize its relevance in our History.
I don't understand what you want accomplish by destroying texts.
Yes, copyright exists to encourage new works - which the author ignored by creating content violating copyright law. Never mind the public, this dude stole from the copyright holders. He's a pirate and he got caught.
LOTR should be public domain right now. Only because copyright was extended to draconian levels would it be a question.
Copyright has long been perverted to disregard the interests of the public. You are defending rent-seekers.
It's crazy that people believe ideas can be owned.
Fuck off.
Maybe read the fucking room, Mal.
Going after the copyright holder for infringing on your work, which by merely existing commercially infringes on their copyright, is one hell of a way to get sued out the arse...
Having said that, it is a crime that LOTR still hasn't entered the public domain yet.
Yeah, I'm not sure what this idiot thought would happen...