autism milk rule

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”We asked 10 autistic people if they’d drunken milk before and 100% said yes, therefore more milk causes autism!“ - peta, probably.
- Peta actually in the 90s.
- drunken
  
  It is a word, but not one he meant lol

Am I the only Autist who is extremely offended by people saying "this or that" causes Autism?
It's annoying when corporations try to use the condition as a tool to further their bullshit arguments.
- You should be offended, and PETA has been doing this forever to make people think eating animal or animal products is bad. But their assertion also implies autism is a negative thing, which is untrue.
- It also insinuates that autism is a disease even though we now know it isn't.
- You are absolutely right to be offended. I have neurodivergent people in my family. I love them dearly. I wouldn't want them to be any different. My father (likely) had autism. He was a professor who got invited to lecture at the Sorbonne and wrote something like 30 books. My brother has autism. He makes far more money than I do because he's a really good coder and he's happily married. Neurodivergent people can live lives as full of success and happiness (and lack of success and unhappiness) as anyone else. They just do it differently.
  Acting like autism is some sort of horror that parents should fear is disgusting.
  
  On my way to work, there's a house I always pass with an "autistic child" sign, a yellow square sign, next to the road. I just feel offended seeing it. Even if the individual in question could be low functioning, inattentive, actually at risk of walking into the street or something, that sign has probably been there past their childhood into adulthood, and a sign to announce your child's autism to drivers is just... something else.
- it's ironic because arguably society "causes" autism, if society wasn't so fucked then things like autism and ADHD would just be quirks to take into account.
  "oh yeah mary doesn't like speaking to strangers so we tend to hang out together so it's easier for her"

If that was statistically significantly true, Sweden would be autism central. We have since sometime in the 70's been giving our children milk with every meal.
- When I was growing up through the 90s in America this was a pretty normal thing too. I drank a lot of milk as a child. Like I have a lot of anxiety now but other than liking trains I don't really seem that autistic.
  
  We had a huge campaign for kids to drink milk in the 80s and 90s. There was the 'Milk: It does the body good' ads, which became a pop culture sensation, and then they did the "where's your mustache" ads where they had all kinds of supermodels and other celebrities drinking milk and showing a milk mustache.
  Of course, the dairy industry is hugely subsidized in the U.S.
  Basically, everyone in the U.S. born between about 1975 and 2005 should be autistic.

I wouldn't be surprised if PETA was secretly funded by meat companies as a way to make the image of vegans look bad
- Interesting take. I wonder which aspects of their business you have in mind?
  As much as I think campaigns like this are counterproductive to the animal rights agenda, I am strongly in favour of euthanasia, even mass euthanasia, as a responsible and humane solution to woefully irresponsible human industry. I believe that life is without intrinsic value, so it is straightforward to me that a life of suffering is worse than simply not existing.
  I've been vegan for around 25 years, and in this time I've been interrogated about my beliefs enough times to feel confident saying folks tend to struggle more with the latter. Take, for example, the way no-kill shelters (or even rescue groups) tend to get sanctimonious at traditional shelters - the very same shelters they look to when they find themselves facing tasks too burdensome. btw, bbq fundraiser, guys!!
  So, as long as we aren't including this utterly soul-rending but critical work in our judgement of PETA, I think I'm with you.
- People also said that about "Just Stop Oil"

I hope the evidence is more substantial than the “link” between vaccines and autism…
- Considering it's from peta, there's roughly a 100% chance it's just total bullshit.
  
  105% with a tolerance of 5%
- 100% of autistic people who have lived past 30 have breathed air and drank water, but nobody is out here drawing the link between air and water…. The real danger.
  
  Thousands of people got severely exposed to Dihydrogen Monoxide during 2004 Indian Ocean Tsunami and 2005 Hurricane Katrina, and subsequently died! It's frankly baffling that people don't talk more about this!
- This was what lead to the idea that vaccines caused autism, Peta was pushing this crap in the 90s.
  
  I’ve never heard peta mentioned in this context. Source?
- It's peta, so probably not.

studies have shown a link
Is a phrase that could mean anything and is, therefore, meaningless
- Autistic people like milk: studies show a link.
  
  My brother is autistic and a vegan. Ball's in your court, PETA.
  
  what can i say, it's got a good texture

Holy shit. That’s bad. There were some very poor quality studies done on whether autistic people had a worse inflammatory reaction to A1 proteins than allistic people ( https://atypicalscience.org/a1-beta-casein/ ) but they were certainly not implying that milk causes autism or that autism has a “cause” that should be avoided.

Dude aside from the wack implication that you can develop autism, this is super fuckin... Like i dont wanna say ableist cause i dont view autism as a disability. obviously it can be but literally anything severe enough can be a disability, but i digress. This ad is just super fuckin agressive to people on the spectrum for no reason. I knew peta was bad but goddamn
- People are scared to talk about disability, often because deep down they are scared of disability
  The problems with functioning labels
  Ableism and Autism
- Well, it's a disorder, it's right in the name.
  If people "liked" it, they wouldn't be taking meds to help them function.
  I'm not hating, just think we should take things for what they are
  Edit: sorry, thought we were talking about ADHD
  
  There are no meds for "autism", there are meds for health issues that autistic people are more likely to have, which autistic people shouldn't take if they don't have those health issues.
  As for it being categorized as a disorder.
  Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) beginning with the first edition, published in 1952 by the American Psychiatric Association (APA).
  Would you have said "I'm not hating on homosexuals, just think we should take things for what they are" in 1952?
  
  I take medication for my ADHD, not my autism. My autism is a part of who I am. ADHD is just annoying.
  
  I replied to this person with some links, maybe you should give them a look too..
  
  If people “liked” it, they wouldn’t be taking meds to help them function.
  There are no meds for autism
- It's bigoted is what it is. Bigoted against neurodivergent people. Who, as you say, are not disabled.
  
  A subset are disabled many because of how society has treated them.

I have done my own study and I also found a link between cows milk and autism. They are both on this image. Spooky stuff.

I found a link between milk and death.
Everyone who has ever drank milk has, or will, die.
Ergo, drinking milk is deadly.
- Dihydrogen Monoxide is proven to be toxic to humans when injected and kills thousands of people every year.
  Our waterways are completely riddled with this dangerous substance.
  
  If you blow bubbles into its liquid form it'll create carbonic acid

If peta was a person I would like to punch them

Fuck you peta

Btw this peta campaign was from 2008.

Frowns in lactose intolerant
Well shit, guess here I go with the vaccines again
- Huge regions of the world are mostly lactose intolerant.
  https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/lactose-intolerance-by-country
  So there must be no autistic people there, right?
  
  Of course there are autistic people there, they've got vaccines /jk

What the fuck. And I thought 'vaccines cause autism' was stupid and offensive.

While this claim might turn out to be false, the amount of vitriol hurled towards Peta really is something else.
- Even if you've never heard of any of the other terrible shit they've done, you have a live example of outrageous ableism from them, and you still jump to their defence (from 2 people who basically said "fuck peta" on the internet E: not even, they basically said "peta aren't trustworthy" which is demonstrable fact)?
  We (because fuck peta) are not the fucking problem here..
- Because Peta engaged in ableism & Pseudoscience that later inspired the anti vaccine movement.
- A) Exploiting and fuelling fear of a vulnerable group is evil.
  B) They don't get the benefit of "may turn out to be false". They get to start at "fuck these bullshit lies".
- I'm vegan for a decade now and for a while I felt like I have to support peta because they fight for the right cause. But seeing all the shit they publish, I'm not that sure anymore
  
  I guess PETA are useful for making regular vegans seem extremely tolerant and reasonable.
  
  Do you have examples? I've been under the impression that they're the good guys in most cases
- The people who want us to give up all meat and even not have pets operate the biggest kill-shelter in the United States. They're constantly preachy, condescending, they lie. Fuck em.
  
  Euthanising animals that have nothing to live for any longer, who are dead-sick and are in agony. Compared to the billions of animals raised for animal ag, slaughtered on the daily, just to be sold for pennies in stores. I don't think they're the villain here, my guy.
  
  PETA's overtly confrontational approach was likely driven by empathetic people struggling to just live their lives knowing humans are 'passively' responsible for incomprehensible suffering around the world. In this scenario, how could you not feel compelled to wake people up? Unfortunately, as sure as we struggle to transcend our primitive tribal instincts, even the most altruistically motivated groups develop their own identities that need to be fed.
  Despite this, and as someone who is on the spectrum, I struggle to relate to the idea of being offended by any of this. Perhaps I am in a weird bubble, but I also find it very difficult to imagine any of the autistic people I know being offended - whether it's real or not. In my experience, autistic people tend to be able to be a bit more detached and able to hold opposing views in simultaneity. Obviously I could be wrong, but to me this supposed anger seems more like defensive NT virtue signalling: PETA makes me so fuckinmad because I am unwilling to work on understanding my actual emotions -> omg PETA is attacking the autists I normally make fun of?-> not on my watch!
  It is interesting to me that people can take such a hard-line stance against an organization like PETA, while having unlimited mental gymnastics for countless other organizations - including those with no hint of morally redeeming character - just because they personally find them convenient and/or enjoyable.
  Your ideas about euthanasia are dumb.
  
  Unlike milkautism, when I looked into them killing animals years ago, it sounded essentially defensible. What do you remember about it?
  I might’ve looked it up because they took some family pet off a porch or something. Yikes.
  —
  OK, Newsweek confirms they kill plenty of animals, and includes PETA’s reasoning. They’re not operating a hamburger factory or anything two faced that I can tell.
- ARE YOU BLIND
- Because this would absolutely be in character for them, that's why.

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