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Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine

www.businessinsider.com Putin is urging women to have as many as 8 children after so many Russians died in his war with Ukraine

Russia's birth rates have been falling for decades, and the war in Ukraine has made it worse.

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        Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging Russians to have more children. 
    "Large families must become the norm," Putin said in a speech Tuesday. 
    Russian birth rates are falling amid war in Ukraine and a deepening economic crisis.

Russian President Vladimir Putin is urging women to have as many as eight children as the number of dead Russian soldiers continues to rise in his war with Ukraine, worsening the country's population crisis.

Addressing the World Russian People's Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.

"Many of our grandmothers and great-grandmothers, had seven, eight, or even more children," Putin said.

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I find it hard to imagine wanting to have kids just so your dictator has more meat to feed into his meat grinder. Perhaps the only good news is Putin hopefully doesn't have 18 more years in him, so the kids won't have to deal with him directly, but who knows who will sit in the throne next...
- I doesn't work either. Appeals to nationalism, religion, and even straight up paying and providing luxury benefits to people, in order to have them start having more kids just did nothing in the long run. The world is different. Your children are more likely to become independent adults when you put your resources into a smaller number of children. The cost/benefits ratio of having large families to produce stability, and increase the chances at least one child will be successful, has completely reverse from 100+ years ago.
  
  Putin will open rape/baby factories for female prisoners next. Just watch.
  
  I don't know if or when they ended the Maternity Medal, Order of Maternal Glory, and Mother Heroine awards for having large families in Russia. I don't know much about the programs, just what a friend who emigrated told me about them (and what wikipedia says)
- You're already projecting compassion he doesn't have by assuming he'd wait for them to turn 18. If he thought it would work, he'd march 5 year olds in bomb vests over the border then have Elon announce that Ukraine kills children.
  
  Dont give him ideas
- Yeah "make more people for me to kill" doesn't seem like a winning message.
  
  I mean it's unlikely Putin lives another 16 years, so even if they're sending 15 year olds to the front this won't help the war machine
  It's more about long-term population loss. There's a reason combined-arms forces are used and mass infantry assaults are not. Problem is, Russian military hardware sucks for a lot of different and systemic reasons so that option isn't realistic over a large theater.
  Putin is straight up bleeding Russia out and it's really sad that this many people are displaced and dying over one man's ego and lust for his station.
- The hate of men will pass and dictators die and the power they took from the people will return to the people. And so long as men die liberty will never perish.
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I wonder if women will start getting medals for babies, like soviet times? Another question, if these women are raising 8 kids, and all the men are dead in a sunflower field south of Avdivika, who the hell is supposed to be working in Russia for the next generation? Just banking on enslaving Ukraine to pay for the cost of enslaving Ukraine?
- That’s probably what Russia was roughly planning to do, yeah.
  
  This whole endeavor has been top to bottom stupid
  
  Absolutely, and they pretty much have to commit to that plan at this point.
  Before their losses started piling up the way they have been, I'd assumed his plan was to install a puppet government and "annex" useful provences into the ~~Soviet Union~~ Russian federation.
  But with the population losses that require women to become livestock for the sake of the country, he's absolutely going to enslave able bodied workers in every region he's able to hold onto.
- They actually introduced pretty much that exact thing back in 2008, the Order of Parental Glory. Have more children to fuel the machine, please
  
  Wait, what? Interesting. I didn't know about its existance.
- Narayana Murthy: People should be working 70 hours/week.
  Vladimir Putin: Why so few?

Hey Putine, let me help …..
All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win
- That's actually pretty brilliant. Although it would also grind new recruits to a halt. It's almost like he should retreat and take the L and try rebuilding
- All you gotta do is excuse people from military service for being a parent. Pretty soon all military aged males will be parents and you’ll greatly reduce the number of deaths in Ukraine. Win-win
  Sorta kinda exists, but you need at least 4 children below 18 years. But I don't think this increases amount of military aged males or any doctors being parents.
  
  Oh, so you need to start at the age of 14 max.

I bet Putin sucks at StarCraft
- we know he plays zerg at least
- Jfc calm down bro. Didn't need to go that far.
- I'm waiting in line for my food giggling like a motherfucker at this comment. 🤣
- Requires more ~~pylons~~ peons.

That's one way to deal with an ageing population demographic.
Another way is to perhaps not throw every able-bodied young man into a militaristic meat grinder because you still yearn for the Soviet Union days.
- He's probably yearning for the Russian Empire instead of Soviet Union.
  Russian governmental officials have some really outlandish views for an average Russian person.
  They're very religious, believe in conspiracies, actively anti-lgbt, don't support abortions, antisemitic to name a few. None of these qualities are present in the general masses. They are in their own informational bubble.
  As far as I understand it, he believes that the Russian Empire and collective Europe were always at each other's throats, and that never changed for over 200 years. At the same time, Russia is a successor of the Russian Empire, and USSR is being omitted for some reason. That's the simplistic explanation of it.
  For you to understand how crazy that is, Russians (in general) have little to no idea of how the Empire worked and what the views those people held. USSR essentially wiped out all of that culture.

Ah, so Russian women are broodmares for the state now?
- Always have been.
- "Women will birth more"

Where are these women going to find suitable partners to pick from? The smart ones left or will leave, the others will be growing sunflowers.
- pick
  I think you're making an assumption that this monster is not
- You said rape twice

"...so that I can send your children to be killed in my war..." Putin, probably.
- Is he calling it a war now, or is it still a "special operation"?
  
  Depends on the day.
- As long as they aren't being aborted then it's fine, duh

Putin seems to be in a competition with Trump for the stupidest authoritarian prize.
- Javier Milei, Matteo Salvini, Boris Johnson, Geert Wilders, Jair Bolsonaro & a frightening whole lot of others have entered the chat.

Why past tense? They're still dying.
- Shh, don't let those still alive know that!

Imma start up a mail order groom app for those russian ladies
- *Male order

Well .. I don't want to say literally Hitler, but ...
- Literally Hitler
  (No need to thank me)
  
  There's competition for that in America, right now.
  
  Not Hitler, not even close. Im not allowing what he did nor defending him, but what Hitler did compared with Putin is major difference. It does not change the fact that both of them deserve a special place in hell

So, basically, Putin is telling Russian women to "get fucked for Putin"?
- Maybe "You got fucked by Putin and now go get fucked for Putin"
  
  ....angry upvote....
- Thanks for helping me start my weekend with a laugh after a rough week.
- Isn't that what Elon said too ?

That's why even if Russia wins the war or got some concessions, it will be a Pyrrhic victory. They're already experiencing population decline because of massive emigration aside from lower birth rate (which is why Putin is paying lip service to the conservative religious Russians to promote more birth, and in turn endeared him to conservatives across the world). The war will add to the burden of the Russian people on top of corruption and debt after the conflict.
- They need the dogma of out breeding the competition so they can maintain a labor class without giving up any of the hoarded resources.
  No sane people want to breed in our current conditions anywhere, so gotta make them insane with promises of eternal hurrdurr if only you crank out babies for God.
  
  They need the dogma of out breeding the competition
  That's why the far-right in the West would love women to go back to their old baby churning role...

If this is true, this has to be the ultimate way of not really dealing with the population crisis upon us. Not saying any government is doing a great job here as they are all beating around the bush and not addressing root causes, but this one from Putin has to be the most delusional of them all.
- There is no population crisis, unless you mean there are too many people. Most of the work we do is entirely unnecessary and only exists to help billionaires become trillionaires. At least that's the case in countries that don't need meat to throw in front of bullets.
  Necessary jobs are mostly farming, mining, manufacturing, and customer service. The first two have already been automated to need only a tiny percentage of the workforce they once require. Manufacturing is mostly there as well, and is getting closer all the time. Customer service still employs a lot of humans, but even those jobs are being replaced or augmented with physical or logical bots.
  
  There is no population crisis, unless you mean there are too many people.
  Barring climate change or World War 3 doesn't get us first, if things are going the way it does now, we're expecting global population decline or it could plateau. Countries across the world is experiencing increase in standards of living so we can expect decline in birth rates too in proportion.
  
  The crisis is that without enough babies, there will not be enough young people to support the older people. It is why places like Canada have such high immigration as it offsets the lack of births from Canadian citizens. Now, it is a crisis from a planet health perspective. No. It is the best thing that could happen right now as we really could use less people and their associated carbon emissions, but it will still impact the economy hard especially since it is becoming a steep birth rate decline in so many countries. Feels like a free fall right now and to address is going to take as much change as it will take to fix the climate emergency. Might even have some of the same solutions.
  
  Necessary jobs are mostly farming, mining, manufacturing, and customer service.
  And elder care, which is set to be a real growth industry

Equal to abortion banning propaganda in the west.
- By what metric?
  
  Lack of abortion access breeds poverty. Poverty breeds the human grist for our military industrial complex mill. +Tie in to for-profit prison slave labor and inability to break the economic cycle of generational poverty and feed a cheap labor economy
  Similar reasons and similar propaganda.
  [edit: typo on prison]
  
  Equal in the metric of people able to be sent to the war at 18.

They've had a population crisis in Russia for at least 20 years.
- More like 120 years.
  
  It turns out if you don't value human life, it doesn't flourish.
- More than that. We have a giant demographical pit starting down from 25 y.o. and bottoming out at around 20-22 y.o.
  It's WW2 stacked on top of the economic collapse in the 90ies and now this. It is ugly.

Blood for the blood god.

I have a friend who left Russia to get away from bullshit like the Order of Maternal Glory.
- I'd have left too. This is insane.
- Looked up. It is order of coutry that no longer exists. It is impossible to get one.
  
  Maybe not exactly, but... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Heroine
  Mother Heroine (Russian: Мать-героиня, Mat'-geroinya) is an honorary title that was used in the Soviet Union and now Russia, awarded for bearing and raising a large family.
  On 15 August 2022 Vladimir Putin signed a decree reviving the honorary title.[2]
  Also Putins intent is to turn Russia back into the Soviet Union so it's not at all surprising he's re-using things like this.

Maybe he doesn't realize it'll take a couple decades, and he'll be dead by then, for any women having children now to see them old enough to fight or have any impact on the country
- I think he's under the delusion that he will remain in power until he's 90
  
  Or he firmly believes his successor (whenever that happens) will glorify him as a savior of some sort and be left with a glorious country, full of opportunities for the young adults. Delusions are free, just like dreams
  
  I don't think he plans to leave power.

Hmm. Sure, Vlad. Wait: how much will that pay, per child per month?
- Children are an investment! After a couple of years, you can send them to the mines and reap all the rewards.
  
  Mines? No, they are needed for the "special military operation".
  
  Get those little bastards to Ghana! I'm out of cocoa and peppermint bark!!

Let's keep going until there's a 1:39 male to female ratio. That'd be ideal. Not strange at all.
- Let’s keep going until there’s a 1:39 male to female ratio. That’d be ideal. Not strange at all.
  It's not about the ratio, it's about a total amount of bodies, regardless of gender, available to run/work the country, in the future generations.
  They already took a big hit in World War II, and they're taking another hit now, and most nations taking two pop hits in a row don't recover well.
  
  I mean, with Russia, it seems like it's just been constant: WW1, revolution, WW2, Stalin's reign, now this.
  If anything, rather than WW2 and this being "in a row", that time frame includes probably the biggest gap in the past century without a grievous population loss.
  For as much as we (Americans) regard Russia (as a state) with an adversarial eye, as far as Russians (the actual common people) are concerned, I kinda feel for them. Seems like their entire history is dominated by difficulty, hardship, and death.
  Then again maybe that impression is precisely the impression that the American education system has very carefully cultivated...
- Best climate change refuge ever

I knew they weren’t winning, but I didn’t realize things were this bad. Fuck. I mean, yay for Ukraine, but damn, Putin is a horrible human being.
- Things are pretty bad for Ukraine, too.
  Both of them are relying on conscription and made it illegal for military-aged men to leave the country.
  
  It is not illegal for military-aged men to leave Russia - only if you already have draft papers on hand.
  The question is - which countries are still ready to accomodate Russians on their side.
- The problem is under a dictatorship no one can really tell you things are bad, until that problem boils over into another generals line of authority.
  Which for Russia, they are finding out, that even if they win this war, they will have to scale down production because they won't have the manpower for that production in 20 years
  Which means even if they can hold Crimea, they won't have the production to work Crimea as well as the Ukrainians.
  
  Thing is: Ukraine cannot work Crimea like it used to either because they face the same, gruesome problem

Meat for the meat grinder.

Putin will be remembered as the man who destroyed Russia.
- And Ukraine

Ah yes, the ol Zap Braningan Strategy.
Brilliant strategy involving sending wave after wave of your own men to die until the war magically wins itself.
- To be fair, those kill bots had a kill limit, this is actually worse.
  
  Yeah, Zap's plan was, technically, flawless.
- "I sent wave after wave of my own men."

Good luck solving the fertility problem. I don't think any country has managed to figure it out yet.
- It's not a problem. When us women have the resources to be able to educate ourselves in the realities of the bull shit that's been peddled to us, we stop being brood mares.
- It isn't a problem. There are already too many people on the Earth.
  
  There are enough resources, they're just not distributed correctly.
  
  Everything was better when there were half as many of us.

Doesn't that also equate to we've managed to kill eight of your family members?

Well I wonder whose fault this was? Probably the guy who was so bloodthirsty and crazy that he actually annexed Chernobyl of all places

So they can be sent to the front line in ten years? Putin had already screwed the pooch.
- Don't be ridiculous, the Russian officers mostly want teenagers to rape, not children.

Literally repeating histories mistakes from 80 years ago. It will take a couple generations to even start to heal this wound.
- 2016-2020s really feels like the greatest hits of the crises of the 20th century. I guess the last ww2 vet dies and everyone decides to forget everything.
  
  2016-2020s really feels like the greatest hits of the crises of the 20th century.
  Yeah and it's not even a remix, it's just a clip show.
  
  everyone decides to forget everything
  You must be living under a rock somewhere

Speedrunning Hitler's failures.
- Mutterkreuz anyone?
  
  Lebensborn FTW!

Meat shields aren’t free.

This is truly the greatest orphan grinding machine of All Time.

Maybe they can open the borders to immigrants?
- Those also will be thrown into the grinder.
  All they get are 70 year old alcoholics to lay back and think of the empire for.
  
  I doubt any immigrant on its right mind would move to Russia, and even if some did, no immigrants on its right mind would fight a war for RuSsIA

lol. Fuck russia.
- That’s kinda what Putin is saying. “Fuck, Russia! Lol!”
- Putin simper found

More meat for the grinder.
Would you like to know more?
- Service guarantees citizenship!
  
  Service guarantees Freedom, no matter the previous crime!

Even Putler wants to flirt with the idea of turning his empire into fucking Gilead.

he really needs to skip a step and go full Krieg and just grow his cannon fodder in tubes
edit: the difference is that Krieg is competant

Create more children to be used as cannon fodder by a dystopian and antihumanism regime? I'm sure that will go over well.
- To some extent, it actually does go over well, sadly.

So is this him just admitting he wants to start another war in 2042 or something?
also obligatory "Fuck Russia.. no not like that!"
- He is 71 right now. He would be pushing 90 in '42. If he internalizes his inner Kissinger to live to 100, he can replay the "Great Patriotic War" of '45.

A bit of a dark shower thought, but wouldn't this whole terrible situation really, really benefit China who has a larger male to female population as a whole?
- I think China has already been benefitting from having a useful senile neighbour for a long time, this just allows for more benefits.
  The only reason China hasn't merged with Russia is because then they would have to build an infrastructure there. >!Partially/s!<

but is he willing to guarantee a sack of potatoes for each one that dies in his war, and can we maybe get a few of those potatoes up front
- maybe get a few of those potatoes up front
  It's good to see such unbridled optimism in these dark times.
  
  we bring our own sacks
- No no, he's planning the next war now.😕

When Russia collapses again they can pay all these mothers and their kids in vodka like they did last time.

This is the best summary I could come up with:
Addressing the World Russian People's Council in Moscow on Tuesday, Putin said the country must return to a time when large families were the norm.
Putin's remarks come amid decades of falling birth rates in Russia that its invasion of Ukraine and the subsequent economic fallout have only made worse.
In October, the UK's Ministry of Defence reported that Russia has likely amassed up to 290,000 killed or wounded soldiers in the war against Ukraine.
Since coming into power 24 years ago, Putin has tried to boost Russia's birthrate by introducing a range of government incentives for those who have children, including payouts for families who have more than one child.
But the measures have had little to no impact, with figures from Rosstat, Russia's federal-statistics service, putting the Russian population at 146,447,424 as of January 1, lower than it was in 1999 when Putin first became president, Le Monde reported.
"Russia lacks workers," Alexei Raksha, a demographer who previously worked at Rosstat, told AFP in February.
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