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Trump Amplifies Call for "Citizens Arrest" of Judge and Prosecutor in New York Civil Case

www.meidastouch.com /news/trump-amplifies-call-for-citizens-arrest-of-judge-and-prosecutor-in-new-york-civil-case

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Literally asking for people to interfere with the court case...
Sounds familiar...
- And he will face no consequence for it.
  
  And will only get even more bolder as a consequence. It's quite fascinating how that shit head is exposing so many flaws in the current political system. And yet very little is done about it.
  
  Because it's his free speech rights donchaknow
- Won't someone rid me on of this meddlesome priest?

this should be a clear violation of the gag order. but it wont be. theyll be some hand waving and he wont be held to account. and no, a monetary fine is not justice.
- The gag order was in reference to court staff only, wasn't it? Didn't the judge explicitly leave himself off it? I forget which judge this is, there are so many
  
  Judge said they had thick enough skin to deal with whatever he said.
  I doubt the judge is OK with Trump openly calling for people to do harm to them.
  
  Judges have to be careful with their orders. They have a lot of power, but are always subject to review. No judge wants to see their orders overturned on appeal because of some action they took.
  So while a judge absolutely can impose a broad gag order on Trump right away based on his past behavior, his lawyers get to appeal, and they have shown that their legal strategy is whining about every little thing until they get their way.
  By doing out punishments in small stages, he can establish a clear pattern of objectionable conduct, such that when the harsher penalties come, his lawyers have a much worse position to whine from.
  
  honestly im surprised he didnt just outright threaten someone. it kinda feels like this is a desperate attempt at a mistrial.
  how many judges would allow 'well, you only broke the intent of my rules not the letter, so ill let it slide this 3rd time'. its prolly zero... unless of course you know the intent of the defendant is to generate a mistrial or other incident allowing appeal.
  
  Trump isn't a actually stupid. He's just an asshole and normal people don't get it.
  But if the judge left himself off, and if Trump can make him adjust the order to add himself, or otherwise indicate that he's upset that he's being targeted himself, Trump can and will then argue that the judge is making personal decisions and ask try to make drama about recusing. Which won't go anywhere, but will ramp his followers up further.
  He knows exactly what he's doing.

Hold him in jail NOW, no excuses
- lol if only.
  We're sleepwalking into fascism.
  
  It's amazing how many times I've seen historians say that this is exactly how historic examples of fascism come about. First people laugh and think 'that would never happen. It's too absurd. Then as day turns steadily into night you look around and realize it's there and it's too late.
  I have zero respect for anyone who continues to support the Republican Party, let alone Donald Trump. I can't help but see the same gullible, immoral, selfish fools that supported the likes of Hitler in the early 30s.
  
  I thought woke was going to destroy America, which is it
  
  I would say more like drunk driving 40 over the speed limit down the wrong side of the highway with coke all over our nose
  
  Woke-walking

This dude gets more unhinged and desperate every passing day, but a huge chunk of Americans just can't see it. It's crazy.
- I think a lot of them do see it, but he pisses off the libs and seems to be promising to hurt the people they want to be hurt, so they are OK with that.
  
  He's literally Hitler, just without the genocide.
- For a way too large group, his being unhinged bigoted rants are a selling point, not a liability.
  For way too many others, they don't care about his unhinged rants because he's pledging to hurt OTHER people, not them.
  The former are bad, but aren't enough to sweep Trump into power. The latter, though, could help Trump attain power and then will act shocked when they get targeted.

Remember, guys: defending free speech for Nazis is totally the best way to "preserve democracy"
- I really wish more people understood the paradox of tolerance.
  
  Tolerance is a social contract, not an ideal. If someone refuses to adhere to the contract, then they are not entitled to the benefits of it either. Hence, there is no paradox. When we say "be tolerant to all" what we mean is "please adhere to the social contract, and assume everyone else does so, until proven otherwise".
  
  paradox of tolerance
  From Wikipedia...
  The paradox of tolerance states that if a society's practice of tolerance is inclusive of the intolerant, intolerance will ultimately dominate, eliminating the tolerant and the practice of tolerance with them.
  Someone needs to explain to me why that's an absolute/assured (the italicized part).
  That seems like one hell of an assumption, and not a foregone conclusion.
- I mean, they should get to say what they want to say.
  It's up to us to recognize it as bullshit and rise above it.
  
  Unfortunately reality doesn't work this way. A popular lie beats an unpopular truth. That's a large part of why we can't make any meaningful progress on addressing climate change.
  
  No, no they should not. Nazi speech should be criminalized. Just like yelling Fire! in a crowded theatre. Nazi speech is even more deadly and destructive.

Lock him the fuck up. Enough already.
- Constitution provides gallows. But we see what’s happened, what hasn’t, and to what extent, for whom.
- If you lock him up for this, he becomes a "martyr". It needs to go through the process slowly for it to hit right. Give him enough rope.

While Trump deserves our ire and some jail time, I'm more concerned with what his popularity says about our society.
He's a gift in some ways: he's shown the true colors of our neighbors to us. If he makes it to the oval office again, so much would have to have gone wrong in the belt-and-suspenders approach being used right now.
I trust that there's an end game to disqualifying him because that's the only way we can buy time while figuring out how to address the ugly xenophobic truth about the future in the US.
I STRONGLY recommend reading Susan Faludi's "stiffed" if you want a play book on where we're headed (spoiler: it's the 90s again, but worse because one of the lost boys could be POTUS again)
- We should know Friday on the ruling in Colorado. Judge heard closing arguments today.
  https://apnews.com/article/trump-2024-14th-amendment-insurrection-colorado-280bc28e57a965a8d6e4d3329dc6aa07
- I really don't know why everyone discounts the propaganda so much. I've been a broken record on this lately because, yes, we have assholes in vast numbers, but we also have a massive propaganda problem that is essentially creating a reality that doesn't actually exist.
  In their version of reality there's actually a real reason why everyone is coming down on Trump and it's spun in a way to make you think he's a victim of the "ruling elite" who's trying to prevent him from Fixing America™. Their version of reality has Trump as a likeable silly person who has a loving family and just wants to use his Business Acumen™©® to set America on the right path. Past that there's all the Facebook/social media fantasies people make up and spread, qanon shit, etc...
  That's not to say there aren't hundreds of thousands of people who are just straight up racist hateful assholes, but a very large portion of the people who vote for Trump think they're actually picking a good person... It's infuriating, the criminal isn't a criminal and ol Biden who the right has been attacking forever is somehow actually a criminal that no one can catch..
- He's a gift in some ways: he's shown the true colors of our neighbors to us.
  I'd be more thankful if there were way less "neighbors" showing their true colors right now.
- Belt-and-suspendera approach? We're barely using a drawstring to keep our pants up.

The Judge after a Right Wing Terrorist puts a bullet in his head: "Let this $10000 fine be a warning to NOT let this happen again!"

WHY IS THIS MAN STILL WALKING FREE

The judge created this. By slapping him on the wrist, ever so gently, he is absolutely going to get more of it.
Wise TF up judge. Jail. No posting anything about the trial, your court, or anyone involved. You are not dealing with a normal person. He’s a demented sociopath. You can not allow this.

Translation: "The legal system isn't sufficiently stacked in my favour anymore like all the previous hearings were, so somebody move to illegal means of nudging the results while I hide behind plausible deniability in saying that I did not mean that at all."
- Perfect recap.
- It's actually better. He didn't write the comment, he just re-shared it, boosting the visibility. This is his typical MO. "Lots of people are saying the thing. I didn't say the thing." Until the judges tell him flat out to stop using his social media accounts or they'll throw him in jail, he's going to keep doing this shit.

Trump is a damn criminal fascist grifter. The day he leaves our lives, I'll do a goddamn dance.
- Be careful with what you wish for. Hugo Chavez once said "I am more dangerous dead than alive," and he was right.
  Edit: downvoted by first world peeps. Well, I really hope I'm wrong.
  
  I think a lot of people would be willing to take that risk.
  
  At this point, with all of the bullshit his cult believes, he'll become a martyr whatever happens (other than him winning). I don't see this going anywhere other than fascism or a civil war, it's just a matter of how long does it take to get there.
  
  Apparently he's behind rigging voting machines in the US!

"Will no one arrest this turbulent judge?"

I’m watching a coup so slo mo, it’s dragging out for almost four years, while Congress, the courts and doj do nothing.

Ball gag this orange lard and throw him in solitary, Christ.

"I wasn't calling for violence when one of my supporters did violence to these people. I said citizen arrest. They misinterpreted when they thought I wanted violence. The knock-on effect of chilling any future prosecutions also isn't what I wanted."
- Will no one rid me of this judge?

Anyone know the odds that the chud he keeps "reTruthing" is Russian?
- If he's not in America, he's not much use to Russia. If he fled, the US would freeze his assets and seize his properties. All of his value would shrivel like his penis in a Siberian pool.
  
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Do it yourself f-ing orange clown. Such a grift.

Please just vote this buffoon out. I beg of you as a European. Please vote him out and make him irrelevant in every way possible. Just stop this madness.
- We did vote him out. 3 years ago.
  
  Member when he basically told hillary to fuck off and shut up because she lost and we shouldn't have to hear from her anymore? Member when his supporters said they'd have backed off and accepted it if he lost?
  God I wish this asshat followed his own advice, but a grifting amoral asshole will always do the grifting amoral asshole thing and cultists gotta cultist...
  I'm so sick of living here, but I have no marketable skills to offer other countries...
  
  Yes, but I meant next year. Because it's like I'm in 2016 again. Everybody thinks Hillary is going to win and NO WAY anyone would vote for this loser. But with Biden this time.
- We already did. He's trying to get voted back in. I'm afraid nothing short of him not existing any more will release his death grip on the GOP.
  
  nothing short of him not existing anymore
  And the thing of it is is that this is exactly accurate. The man could die from anything and there would be a small but not insignificant crowd of people prepared to make him a martyr, claiming it was some "deep state" assassination

Won't somebody rid me of this meddlesome priest?

I don't know anything about how truthsocial works.
Is "retruthed" the same thing as "retweeting" (or whatever that's called now on xitter), or is it closer to "liking" something?
Regardless, trump now thinks he's found a loophole in the gag oder by letting other people post it and then boosting it somehow?
The article was super confusing to me.
- It should be called repost, forward or redistribute. Retruthing is giving that stupid platform legitimacy.

Hahaha, wow that's great news. It was always apparent he didn't understand what was happening around him, but he is really firing both barrels into his own feet here.
- I believe it when he actually faces consequences for his ballant regard for every aspect of the justice system.
  
  He's facing fines, his family is in court, he's already been found liable for rape, everyone was saying the same thing before he even went to court. That he would never actually go to court that he would never be found liable for rape, and now he has.
  This one incident isn't so important except as a cumulative addition to his felonies. But everything added up is important and he is facing actual consequences.
  He's a rapist. Anybody who votes for Trump or supports Trump is voting for and supporting a rapist. That will not change everyone's minds, but it's going to affect how some people vote.

Somebody's going to get killed over his narcissistic rage bullshit.
- You say that as if it hasn't happened already.

Someone should fucking citizens arrest that seditious piece of shit.

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