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UN leaders say Gaza war must 'stop now' as reported death toll tops 10,000

www.reuters.com UN leaders say Gaza war must 'stop now' as reported death toll tops 10,000

U.N. agency leaders saying enough is enough" demanded a humanitarian ceasefire on Monday nearly a month into Gaza's war, as health authorities in the enclave said the death toll from Israeli strikes now exceeded 10,000.

... while Blinken, playing both sides of the table, says no to a Gaza ceasefire but wants more aid sent to Gaza and France is sending armored vehicles to Lebanon.

Israel is starting to loose important political backing in its war on Palestinian people.

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Prediction: They will continue to not listen to the UN.
- A pity because for once the UN is right about something and it is actionable. Easier to stop combat than it is to stop using oil.
  
  Telling Israel to let the terrorists take a smoke break to regroup is not actionable. If they want anything done, countries need to start offering real solutions.
U.N countdown to take action has hit one and a half, next time may be one and three quarters
- Political pressure is mounting.
Remember when mom yells at you to shut off the Sega and come to dinner and you're all like "yeaa I heard you!" And then you keep going because contra is a great game and gives you a real happy feeling but broccoli doesnt. Israel doing the same thing.
- If the UN didn't have a track record for condemning Israel just for fun, maybe Israel would pay attention to what they say.
What the article actually says..

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is touring the region to try to reduce the risks of the conflict escalating, get more aid into Gaza and draw up plans for a sustainable future for both Israel and the Palestinians.

To the OP that's both sides of the table
- The other links I provided say different ... like this one that says Blinken doesn't want to push for a ceasefire because it would let Hamas regroup.
  
  I included other sources to refine my argument.
  
  And it would allow Hamas to regroup. From a military standpoint it makes zero sense.
  
  If you want to have an argument, don't dress it up as news.
How do we know the number 10,000 is true. Its not like the Hamas or the Gaza authority are a bastion of truth.
- How do we know the 1,400 dead Israeli is true? It's not like the IDF or the Netanyahu administration are a bastion of truth.
  
  However we do have before and after satellite photos of Gaza that show whole refugee camps and neighborhoods reduced to rubble. We also have journalists from many different news outlets, who are in the area giving first hand accounts of the atrocities being committed by the IDF.
- Every conflict since at least 2006, the Hamas health ministry releases casualty numbers.
  
  Then after the conflict subsides, the UN sends in professionals to verify the numbers.
  
  The UN has verified the Hamas health ministry's numbers as accurate every time.
  
  Yeah you just can't ignore history leans toward these numbers being accurate to deny them is deliberately trying to cover for Israeli war crimes.
  
  I think the worry is that because of the scale of war the UN likely won't be able to check their work this time and that their claimed casualties in the al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion are around 4 times higher than most other credible estimates. And those were revised down from an initial estimate that was about twice as high as that. It doesn't take much to lose credibility.
  
  On the other hand, it's not like there's anyone else reporting. If you're basing the estimate on historical data, I guess the safest assumption for now is that those numbers are high but not that high. And that about a third of those reported deaths are Hamas fighters (the HM doesn't distinguish between combatants and civilians). I wouldn't be surprised if that doesn't hold though. It's a way higher intensity attack from Israel and also a much more existential fight for Hamas.
- It’s not like Israel is either.
- We know it's not true.
  
  There's no way to count the bodies and separate dead civilians from dead terrorists.
  
  Nobody seems to care.
  
  Does this body part belong to a child, elderly person or woman? Whelp safe to say they weren't terrorists. Additionally Gaza is a small place packed with people. If you don't see someone for a while it's safe to say they are dead and buried under a rubble somewhere.
  
  Good point that we can hardly differentiate civilians from terrorists. Does that justify any civilian deaths?
  
  That’s nonsense. Plenty of people care.

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