Memes @lemmy.ml

1y ago

those ppl...

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It doesn't matter how many people or what kind of people moved from Reddit. I was there 14 years (Digg 4.0 exile here). They have a new group of people now. My wife and kids now use Reddit, but it's not the same type of user interaction I experienced there in the past. It's very much a mix of scrolling through TikTok videos and sparse reading of comments on an /r/askreddit thread. It's casual browsing and video content. There are still some holdouts, which I think mostly contribute to what's left of the comment section, but that's it. It sucks, because I miss the discussions there. Lemmy kind of scratches that itch, but the content is slow to come in, and the comments so few. I'm doing my part, and I am much more active here than I ever was on Reddit.
- IMO the quality of discussion here is about the same on reddit. Which is to say, not very good, or very deep. It's shallow observations, memes, and one liner gut reactions to headlines. People have been conditioned over the past decade to not engage with long replies or complex thoughts. It might have to do with social media becoming more or less defined by people engaging with it on mobile devices, which don't really enable that sort of engagement. But it might also be people genuinely not giving a shit anymore and only wanting that minor degree of superficial interaction.
  
  I get better responses here on Lemmy with my longer replies, which is great. Reddit feels overall dumber now where people will try and argue that your comment with sources is somehow less compelling than someone else’s sourceless opinion (true story).
  I’m having far better interactions on Lemmy.
  
  Honestly, the worst thing about Lemmy is Lemmy users thinking it's better than Reddit simply by the virtue of it not being Reddit.
  The platform? Yes, absolutely, a much better solution with built in checks and balances to stop one greedy company eating everyone's lunch.
  The content? It's identical! (Bar a few cosplay communists that stir up drama occasionally). And some things are significantly worse like the quality of content curation and moderation.
  For every person writing an "ugh you must be a Redditor"/"I thought I left this behind on Reddit" type comment,I bet there are many more people rolling their eyes and at least a few of them that end up abandoning the platform entirely.
  
  People have been conditioned over the past decade to not engage with long replies or complex thoughts
  I think this has two parts. One, it's just so easy for any long/complex comment to attract 'attacks' that will target some small minutia. The internet in general seems to find pedantry of grammar and small inconsistencies (in an allegory, for instance, which is not supposed to be an exact match for the tale it's telling) to be the height of humor and the best way to 'counter' an argument.
  Second, I think people in general are more demanding of having their space be as comfortable and similar to them as possible. My friends of nearly three decades and I have plenty of things we disagree about, and even argue about, but it seems as if differences are no longer accepted. Let's pick a common and slightly humorous one from Lemmy: if you and I were to disagree about the extent of how evil a conservative is (not even that they are evil, or do evil, or whatever else), one or the other of us would be blocking the other, haranguing the moral turpitude that is said different belief, etc.
  It combines to make anything but short, bland or 'act like they are acting' comments a headache to actually post. I've found myself typing up a response to a biology article somebody had posted, and eventually just hit the cancel button because it wasn't worth the bother.
  
  I think it has a lot to do with longer messages seeming "elitist" in addition to the tendency of trolls to find one phrase they don't like and derail the entire topic over it. You write 3 paragraphs, most don't read past the first sentence and vote based on that, and some troll starts nitpicking your use of "us" vs "we" instead of the actual topic. Over time you see putting the effort into a comment as pointless or outright adversarial, and you stop. It's the trolls and the low effort people that make having quality conversations frustrating. Not trying to gatekeep, but I firmly believe that once a site becomes popular enough that all the "Lowest Common Denominators" join, quality drops. The signal to noise ratio just becomes too much. Popularity is a death sentence on the Internet.
  
  There's just so much content now a days it's easier to just not comment to a reply and move on, where when I was on forums it was the main thing to do because there wouldn't be so many posts
  
  Yeah I've seen some pretty benign comments get downvoted to hell here on Lemmy if they're even just a tiny bit out of line from the consensus which is no better than Reddit.
  
  I think you're right. And if anyone wants to give a deep/thoughtful comment it often feels like swimming upstream. Nuances are ignored and people will just downvote you if they think you're disagreeing with them (even if disagreement is only partial).
  
  Have you been on reddit recently? The average discussion on Lemmy may not be super deep, but the comment sections of larger reddit threads have become downright painful to read. It honestly feels like every negative cliché about reddit has been dialed up to eleven.
- I was on reddit a couple times past couple of days for some specific purposes (like looking up Minecraft seeds). Checked the front page and stuff out of curiosity and I genuinely don't know if the content was already as bad when I left or if Lemmy just gave me new standards or something, but Jesus Christ. It's all just ragebait and TikTok reposts, even though everyone on reddit always claims to hate TikTok. It's like if you collected all the lowest tier posts from every other site and then gathered them in one.
  
  Same thing for me here, so much rage bait. I was asking a specific question on Google and a reddit post had a very good answer, curiosity sent me to r/all and it is so clearly meant to get under your skin.
  
  It's all "TikTok" now. I see TikTok, YT Shorts, Reddit video clips, Facebook video clips, IG video clips, etc. They are all TikTok in my head, and I don't care enough to check them each out to differentiate between them and change my mind. This must be what getting old feels like.
- Exactly how I felt there too. Reddit was different. It wasn't the place where you could come and chat with strangers about things you enjoy, even the most positive subs were littered with spam and comments usually devolved into arguments.
  Not saying it didn't happen here but the vibe is for sure better. Haven't logged into my reddit account since spez killed Sync.
  
  I deleted my account and its contents. Though it was Apollo for me instead of Sync.
- Fellow Digg exile, previous Fark, previous Slashdot, etc.
  I still go back to Reddit for several niche groups that just don't have enough users to transition - would likely disappear if people moved elsewhere (Lemmy or Discord)
- Wasn't Digg 2.0 the time of the Great Exodus? Or has my memory of these arcane events become clouded throughout the eons of enshittification?
  
  It was v4.
- Yea I remember it went to shit around 2018 or somewhere there about. I had been hoping for a viable alternative for a while. I should thank Spez in retrospect.
  
  I mean, it's kind of always been shit, but it was "our" shit. Now it's a different crowd, and their "shit". I don't want to deal with their "shit", so I don't really go there anymore and treat it like Ravenholm.
- Lenmy is brilliant as platform and concept, but the truth is it simply can't compare to Reddit where there are 1000x more user and 100x more comments/activity.
- Reddit very much depends on the subreddits you subscribe to.
  Browsing /r/askhistorians or /r/programming isn't really the same experience as r/memes or whatever. Not logging in to reddit makes it way worse since you only see the popular low-effort threads instead of better niche content.
  
  Right. And to my point, newer users are doing the latter.
- Maybe I am part of that new group? I'm just here for the memes. Lemmy is amusement for me and a way to kill some time. If I want to have deep or meaningful discussions I'll talk to people I actually know (and then I'll also know I'm not wasting my time arguing with a troll). The "casual browsing" content is also lower quality here than on Reddit, but I can't complain, because I don't really contribute, I just lurk.

It's a war of attrition. Slow and steady will win this race.
Lemmy, just like Mastodon has seen spikes followed by users leaving. But every spike leaves more users on Lemmy/Mastodon than previously.
Truthfully, in the event another Reddit Exodus, which will happen, we need to try and be more of a content-oriented system during that era. Making more posts and focusing on adding to niches.
Reddit is about Niche communities and Content Saturation. Lemmy isn't really about that, but it can be for moments at a time to pull users in. At some point we'll reach a critical mass of users that leads to easier justification for new users to join.
We just need a group of extremely disorganized and disagreeable people to organize and and agree on this.
oh no
- Reddit also gets a little bit worse every spike, too. There are few mods remaining on Reddit who are doing anything more interesting for their communities than basic spam removal. Automod does all the work when all the largest subs just repost the same content and fake stories anyway.
  It's not like going to implode or anything anytime soon but the quality (from my perspective at least) has totally flatlined since June because why would anyone in their right mind invest creative energy into cultivating a unique community? I think that eventually a Lemmy community will pop up that simply couldn't exist on Reddit and will serve to illustrate why I believe this model is better.
  
  yea probably a illegal one
  
  There is still some new content (rocket league videos come to mind) that is hard to move to a federated platform, because video streaming is expensive.
- Another hurdle is getting game devs to treat Lemmy instances for their games as official points of contact, which is definitely something reddit still has that Lemmy doesn't, unfortunately.
  
  I got questionable game jam games if you want them lol
- I think Lemmy would either need to find a way to wean Redditors off of their dopamine machine or replace that dopamine machine long-term to sustain an exodus from Reddit. Either that, or Reddit will need to break their dopamine feedback loop. There are some cracks showing, and that might have already killed the platform in the long term, but it'll keep going from pure momentum for a while. Maybe as long as months or years.
  Seems like there's more sexists and racists than I used to see over there, which is definitely offputting. I've found communities that are supportive of thoughtful discussion are more appealing, and Reddit definitely lacks that lately, outside of some small, relatively niche communities.
  
  Jokes on you, I get dopamine boosts on lemmy as well.
- I like your optimism but theres not a lot of great examples of the little guys winning lately. I'm not sure exactly how, but I predict things end badly for Lemmy. Just seems like a more likely outcome in today's world. Guessing reddit does ok everyone just ends up a bit more miserable than before. Sorry for being a turd, I just think your prediction is statistically unlikely.
  
  Except Lemmy isn't a single Lemmy.com that will one day run out of money and implode into nothingness.
  Lemmy, Mastodon, and other ActivityPub based Fediverse Networks are muliti-node systems.
  This is just pure nihilism without a hint of thought put into it. Nothing short of the world exploding and human annihilation will kill Lemmy, And even then, there are bots.

My search results keep wanting me to go to Reddit. I'm trying to avoid it, but it keeps calling.
I'm not scrolling there like I did before the "Spez killed the 3rd party app migration". I miss the level of engagement and ease of finding communities. Lemmy is decent, but the post volume is lacking. If I scroll new now, and again 12 hours later, there's not much new stuff before I see the stuff from last time.
- I have a similar experience, only visiting reddit for stuff like tech problems and very niche communities. I had never willingly visited the reddit homepage since.
  There are a lot of posts now on lemmy compared to before the reddit fiasco but is not like the activity on reddit. The good thing though is that it made me stop my habit of mindlessly scrolling through endless content.
  
  yeah having switched to linux recently it's pretty much impossible to go without reddit. sure, superuser and generally linux forums do have a bunch of answers, but a lot are on reddit as well.
- I dunno, I browse every 2 or so hours at work at while yeah I'll find some of the same stuff, the vast majority of my scrolling is new
- Because everyone is only half in and going to Reddit still like crack addicts
  
  Not everyone.
  If sit down at my desk and use my pc I’ll click the old Reddit bookmark and go on for about 5 minutes. That has only happened about 3 times since Apollo shut down. I almost exclusively used my phone for Reddit before that. Now I bounce between Voyager and YouTube. YouTube for background noise while I’m working, Voyager when I’m idle.
  
  Don't speak for me boyo, I'm 110 days clean
  
  bros talking like we're fighting some kind of battle my man ur browsing short form content on the internet calm down
  ur not better than anyone and nobody is better than you while yall be death scrolling this brain rot
- Try Kagi. I'm totally hooked. It's a refreshing search experience and you can rank reddit as a lower level site so it can still come up, but less likely to be at the top of your search list all the time.
- I remember when there was a huge amount of complaints when Reddit updated and the top posts started cycling multiple times per day (or per hour) instead of hanging around most of the day

Lemmy will dethrone reddit once you are able to google a question and the Lemmy link is at the top as opposed to reddit
- Reddit also had the ability to just type in my address bar "/r/obscurefandom" and be taken directly to the subreddit for it. Lemmy doesn't have those smaller subs yet and you have to hunt for the right instance if it does.
  
  Even TV shows that have been off air for a decade often have a thriving community. Merlin, the BBC show, has several posts per day. Similarly with Smallville. Lemmy's communities are smaller and tend to be broken up across instances.
  
  alternatively r/obscurefetish
  
  I just started using lemmy today, so I definitely could be wrong. But doesn't the website browse.feddit.de kind of do this for you already?
- Whelp, better get to asking questions... Someone ask me a question to an answer someone may want to search for
  
  What is the average airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?
  
  I'll start with something wholesome:
  What's the best way to make someone smile?
  
  What's Ligma?
  
  Why is my poop green?
  
  Is there anyway to control how high I want my android phone to charge? I would like to set it to 90%.
- Even then, Reddit has accumulated so much technical advice over the years, I hope I can still find archived posts this way, if ever it truly does crash and burn.
  
  What's stopping someone from just copying the reddit history and building that knowledge base as under the hood of Lemmy?
- Which is never going to happen because you can't click this /c/books
  And fine an agglomeration of all /c/books on all lemmy servers Ina single location.
  This cripples any network effect and any benefice of decentralization and federation
  
  Bro, it's so fucking frustrating that I need to be subbed to 5 different Android communities just to get my news.
  I can't sub to just one because I miss news if I do.
  My only hope is that Boost brings multi-reddit support to Lemmy, so I can just click on "Android" and get the news from all 5 Android communities.
- And Linux will dethrone windows.
  I wish they were true but reality is that people will accept just about any and all abuse and stay with the crap despite sometimes getting angry about it.
- Since lemmy instance are hit and miss. Some popular ones are already talking about shutting down or have shut down. I highly doubt lemmy will get there.

Yeah, reddit admins won. Most people don't care and at this point its hard to see what the admins could do to start a real exodus. Hell, my reddit usage is way down, but I still go there for niche subjects (anime, philosophy) because nowhere else is comparable.
- Are you saying anime is niche?
  
  Or philosophy for that matter
  
  Depends, there's so much of it that there's bound to be niche here and there
- they may have won this battle but the war is still ongoing. reddit is a public company, and it is a modern website, which means it is going to get shittier and shittier and it is never going to stop. i still go there for sports and news but anything of substance or merit i try to share here instead because fuck them. i think over time it'll hollow itself out even more.
  
  reddit is a public company
  I don't think they are public yet, the reason they pulled their little stunt in the first place is to prep for their IPO release. I think the general uproar probably set them back a while, but I'm sure the IPO is coming.
- I cant say they won all around. As a tech guy, now when i look up tech info and click on a reddit link 90% of the top answers are deleted(including all mine from the last 12 years).
  Before the exidus, Reddit was already a painful hassle to use, unable to view many normal subreddits now, 80% of my screen taken up by login and cookie warnings, forcing logins, asking if you want the app multiple times. Slow, clunky, broken UI.
  IF i want to give info to the Reddit people, i only post links to topics over on Lemmy.
- IMO reddit won but only by engaging a new audience. It removed the 1 post per subreddit on the front page without an announcement, modified the upvote algorithm to make upvote numbers seem larger than they are, and comments per upvote are lower than 10 years ago. Basically engagement is way down for people who use it like a forum aggregate. But engagement is way up by people who are migrating off of Instagram and similar platforms. I used to feel weird about being on reddit but now I have my wife's 20 mostly female coworkers asking me about it. Reddit has a new audience it appeals to and it's creating a weird issue because for some dumbass reason they thought the unpaid engagement generators would stick around after they fucked everything up for a few short term dollars.
- 4chan's /a/ board isn't good anymore? ;)
  
  /a/ was never good

The only thing that keeps me going back to Reddit is extremely niche subreddits having no mass here. Honestly if the Nuzlocke subreddit had more activity, I'd probably never open Reddit
- Yeah I still use reddit for football. Bluesky is getting better(still too little content), but mastodon was just full of spam for me.
  
  The best community for tea ☕ is on Reddit too, but it's mainly that and Ukrainian news that I browse.

The only time I think about Reddit is when you degens bring it up. :|
- True, I wish people would stop posting about Reddit and Twitter. I don't care about those platforms.

I'm totally not on Reddit.
- Cool, I got my own meme now! ^^
- hmmmm....
- Ditto. I also jumped ship and have not gone back. I barely even click on any of the links here to go back to old reddit
- Also you are totally not spez!
- Obviously

Instead of complaining about why people stay on Reddit, perhaps you should focus more on improving Lemmy communities, so that people don't feel a need to return.
While I do like it here, it is very quiet, even when it comes to popular subjects like football, pro wrestling, anime, etc - the sort of stuff that Reddit still excels at.
- What I miss are the gaming communities. There is no talk about games I play on Lemmy, just general gaming communities and I never browsed r/gaming either. Biggest let-down: PoE even has a dedicated Lemmy instance but it’s empty and abandoned.
  There is just not enough demand because only a minor fraction of reddit users got hit by the 3rd-party app slaughter. The vast majority doesn’t care and still stayed on reddit. It was the expected outcome.
  Hot take of the day: What doesn’t help with this is how fractured communities are throughout the instances. What I mean by this is if I subscribe to “World News” on lemmy.world, I won’t see the posts from the same type community on other instances, like “World News” on beehaw, in my subscriber feed unless I subscribe to them too (or someone crossposts). This adds an unnecessary level of micro-management and probably also drives people away from Lemmy. The biggest strength of Lemmy is so-to-speak also its biggest weakness.
  
  Idk if that's even a hot take. It's something I've talked to several people about and honestly one of the reasons I don't think lemmy will end up growing much past its current user base. Too much micromanaging when most people just want to see content that interests them.
  
  Wow, is that last point true? I guess I misunderstood how federation worked big time. I thought by subscribing to something like "news", I was supposed to receive all posts and comments to those posts from all whitelisted instances like some kind of syndication. Is that not actually how it works?

A lot of subs never really got a foothold outside of Reddit. I tried to do what I could and I'm still trying my best but I'm only one guy and I'm not good at making content. Barely anyone from the BrandoSando subs came, the incremental games community gave up before it even started, no community that I know has had a successful offshoot in the fediverse.
- Reddit didn't start that specific, the best thing to grow Lemmy is be active in broad communities, not brandosando but books. When books grows large enough then a sanderverse community can be spun off, but trying to be over specialized just dilutes the users into small inactive communities.
  
  I think that's a very good point.
  
  This right here. Reddit started with very general based topics and only later did smaller niche subs take off.
  Lemmy will get there. It's just a matter of time and it's only been a few months since the Great Reddit Migration of '23.
  By this time next year, or maybe 18 months out, once instances become normalized and settled, with user tools to help find and organize them, Lemmy will then start to cause large dents in Reddit's user base.
  
  Lol it took me way too long to realize you guys were talking about Brandon Sanderson
- yeah, the sheer breadth of obscure topics that were able to form a sizeable enough group on reddit is so fragile and special and hard to replicate. such a shame.
- Never been part of that community personally, but thanks for helping to support the platform. Even if you're not seeing much traction, it's appreciated. What would you think of picking the most engaging Reddit content and migrate it here to help boost community size? Or maybe posting to Reddit with a watermark/credit leading to your Lemmy community?
- I was a frequent visitor of the BrandoSando subs. I just haven't found anything over here, though. Got any links? I'll join up and try to contribute, but I'm like you. I'm not great or consistent in content creating either.
  
  It's on https://sffa.community. But that's another problem. I think a lot of communities besides the main ones on here thought they'd just make a community and people would start posting. They didn't post anything to bring people in and they didn't know to go federate their community with other instances. The most active communities here are, !sffgaming@sffa.community, which is me, !brandonsanderson@sffa.community, !imaginarycosmere@sffa.community, and !cosmere@sffa.community .
- Same with a lot of the subs I was at on Reddit. Stable Diffusion is no where near as active as Reddit's.

I'll be honest, I am still browsing Reddit, though in a more limited fashion. I deleted all my submissions and comments and refuse to post or comment, no matter how strong the urge to correct misinformation regarding topics I am interested in is. Communities for those topics are generally non-existent, got created and withered within a month of the 3rd-Party-Exodus, or in the case of /r/leagueoflegends and its local mirrors, are generally carried by the eSport scene and there is generally no decent discussion to be had outside of that. And I don't even know if one of the League communities here even does post-match threads.
- I noticed a massive drop of quality after the api changes (though it's been declining for a couple years now) and after a while I just realized there is no point, so I mostly only kept subreddits related to my country. The balance of repost bots/trolls/idiots/people who think saying the same joke a million times is funny vs. people you actually can converse with really started outweighing the latter ever since covid hit and Reddit got even more popular (it was on a slow decline regardless). The api changes just made everything even worse.
  I'd like to think things here will be better, and to be honest I'm really liking Lemmy so far.
  
  The quality of reddit posts outside of niche communities or events has tanked a lot. Most of the stuff at the top is AITA(H), the most basic questions, and reposts, with some short video clips and the occasional comic. Doesn't help that it is known that someone is using LLMs for bot accounts.
- Agree on communities over here getting created during the exodis, seeing a small surge, and then kind of withering. I'm subbed to 15ish communities that aren't even all that niche (3D printing, photography, woodworking) and it's rare that they all get one post per day. There are obviously people lurking because posts will get comments, but I think we're all a little wary of being the person to post a bunch of content for fear of no one else doing so.
- The people on here on are on mighty high horses but don't realize they're still in the children's section. It's so cringey. I want to hate reddit but the lemmings here are sometimes vomitable. Stop comparing redditors. Redditors are YOU, just earlier or later. You were a redditor before! If you weren't, then you crawled out of some miracle vaginal and found your way to the lemmyverse.

I deleted my Reddit account but there are some subs I greatly miss. Shame the majority of their members didn't move over to Lemmy due to lack of care.
- I lurk the Reddit’s onion site using tor and turn JavaScript off. I don’t even have an account there anymore so I can’t comment on anything. This way they don’t get any advertising dollars from me. But it’s the best way for me to keep up with what’s new and upcoming in some special fields that I’m in.
- it really shows the percentage of selfish/spineless assholes on social medial.
  At the very least if gave us a good way to filter them off our threads I guess.

It's actually pretty funny how many discussions about Reddit, Twitter, and Threads happening in the Fediverse.
I just deleted my Reddit account a few months ago (and my Twitter account years ago) and I don't think I miss anything.
- I miss reddit every day. The niche communities were large enough there to have content.
  I said I'd leave at the end of June if they went through with the API changes bc and I did. But of they reversed course today I'd absolutely go back instantly.
  
  The good news is now you get to help establish those communities you once loved
  
  Nah, for me Reddit made me understand centralization in exchange for niche communities isn’t worth the trade offs that vom with it. I’d rather start new communities on Lemmy than going back to Reddit. I do miss r/rimjobsteve though
- same tbh lol, I only lost the tales from reddits but like those were usually toxic anyway at times.

That's how it works in most abusive relationships. The perpetrator behaves terribly and then is forgiven. Like the tide coming in each time the abuse is worse, more damaging or in this case more demeaning, but the cost of exiting the relationship is too high because it means to become alone and people hate loneliness more than being shit upon so they complain and stay and hope that this time it will be better even though if they think about it they know it won't be.

The quality of reddit has seriously gone downhill. It feels like being on Facebook or something, the comments are cringrworthy and just plain odd and the posts aren't great either.

The part of Reddit that I DO miss are the video subs. Like WTF, mildly interesting, why were they filming, etc. From my understanding, let me isn't able to host videos but why not drop links to vids🤷🏿‍♂️
- I loved r/idiotsInCars and r/idiotsOnBikes, the videos would be so funny and the discussions around them were great.
  
  Every time I felt like I wasn't the best driver I would go there and feel so much better about myself.
- Some of us do post links to videos. Check out these communities:
  Alternative Nation
  Full Movies On Youtube
  (I dont know how to type proper links)

This is me. I still go there for two or three subs that don't have critical mass here (thus no conversation). The upcoming weighted sort algo should help a little, drawing people to smaller community content.
But I also moderate a reasonably large sub there, and have stopped attempting to grow anything there -- just spam removal, manually.
But I don't post new content there. Sometimes I'll reply on a comment chain. Here I post new content and interact a lot more.
I'm using Lemmy Connect as my app (like 98% of it). What's interesting is, when I use Reddit I refuse to use their app, so I'm using old Reddit, in a browser. But I catch myself attempting to swipe on comments using the Lemmy Connect gestures.
So I've definitely flipped to Lemmy first.
- I quit Reddit 2 years ago due to the content becoming more and more toxic (maybe it was always toxic) and I'm just so dang happy that my favorite 3rd party Reddit apps have a Lemmy client. I'm using Sync and it's like coming home. Functionally identical experience but with a cooler community.
  
  I didn't notice much degradation after the 2016 election enshittening. I set to work blocking all the power users and was able to to maintain the post-2016 level of quality right up until I largely quit.
  There are two subs I use that have no Lemmy equivalent (one of them probably never will) but otherwise Reddit is just a marginally better StackOverflow for me now.
  Also I must admit the Excel subreddit is simply too useful to quit. I'm a damn wizard at this point and these people still surprise me.

I was mostly on Reddit for hockey game threads. Lemmy sucks for that at the moment, so... I went to discord. Fuck spez
- Oh, I hadn't looked for hockey on discord Say what you will about reddit, I do kinda miss r/canucks, the happiest group of sad folks on the internet!
  Any suggestions for a discord newbie on finding hockey communities?
- Eventually we should move to something like Matrix or at least Revolt (still waiting on an actual Android app for that one)
- he’s a speze of shit

As per usual, it's a matter of content.
I can't (and shouldn't have to) carry the entire weight of a fandom on my shoulders. Until there's more activity here on those subjects, I have to at least keep an eye on Reddit.
What I always do when I can however, is I try to do POSEO to raise awareness: by which I mean, I post my opinions or ideas or stories in my own site (or in my Masto main) first, and only crosslink on Reddit. I was thinking of doing the same with reply comments as well, but dunno how much would that promote interaction.
- It's also the toxic community.
  I was called a racist and holocaust denier because I asked someone how they expect YouTube servers to be paid for if you refuse to pay for premium, and don't want to watch ads.
  My comments were downvoted like crazy, and the person who called me a racist holocaust denier was upvoted..
  Again, all because I asked a question about how servers should be paid for. What the actual fuck? Reddit is insanely toxic, but Lemmy takes the cake.
  
  https://ibb.co/pvk0HWv https://ibb.co/bsPRfyZ https://ibb.co/0Mxd8rr You were being a smartass and then got one-guyed. The community on lemmy seems generally positive with a few crazies, just like everywhere.
  Look in that thread and there are plenty of people who ask "how will youtube keep the servers up without ads though?" with reasonable responses such as: torrent-esque video sharing people donating to creators and youtube taking a cut or reasonable issues like: ads cause me a lot of stress and I am not wealthy, does this mean I can never watch a video again? Or read an article or see any online content? Not wanting to support billion dollar megacorps
  Getting responded to in kind by 1 guy is not a toxic community, everywhere I've seen people ask a question in a normal way 99% of the time they get normal responses
  
  :note: I know this isn't the point of your comment but I wanted you to be able to have a non-insulting conversation on the topic.
  Premium is more than it should be and ads on YouTube arent handled very well i.e. Obnoxious
  I watch adless on my phone, but still use the default app to stream to my TV and generally let the ads play through.
  23 dollars a month for 2 people on a family plan is just nuts, though. If they had a 2 person option that was like 17-18 then I'd probably get it.
  
  Wow they sound like they came straight out of Twitter. Though one reason why I use FOSS and barely donate is because our currency isn't that powerful. I see it in the way people say that self-hosted is cheap (probably from Europe or America) but it's actually crazy expensive for me (Philippines). Our average monthly income is around 400$. Even if I were to donate a substantial part of it, anyone in the first world would barely gain anything and I would have lots to lose. Unless if they're from another developing country.
- Fandoms have trouble here as well. Take something like baseball. There are so many communities to follow across instances that even if a Fandom has a following, it's fragmented across multiple sites.

Not sure exactly when it happened, but sometime in the past 3-4 years reddit just became not-reddit. It seemed to draw a more Facebook-esque audience than in prior years. There is still some good content there, but its simply not what it used to be.

Well I'm like 70% here, and the last 30% is through a cracked Reddit client without ads or tracking (shhh, I'll never admit that it exists again)

I still go to reddit... for the porn.
- lemmynsfw.com
  
  Sucks for anything that's not cishet.

Personally, there are some smaller communities that exist on Reddit that just don't exist on Lemmy, or have inactive communities. The other option for some of those communities is Twitter, so I'd much rather just check Reddit. I also don't expect my local towns subreddit to move to Lemmy from Reddit. I think it's less about returning to Reddit and more so wanting to participate in small communities that exist in Reddit.

Because I still need it to access older repair guides and ask people on fixing stuff from cars and household things to study material and that community simply isn't as big here. I use lemmy with boost much more but I still use some services on reddit outside of that nothing else to do on there. So no need to judge, you are expecting a 5m community to have as much information and technical knowhow as a 150m user base. You can have a ferarri 458 you occasionally use when needed for the track ay and still daily a toyota prius.

Only time I think I've read it these days is when I have to look something up and the first result is a fucking Reddit page from 50 years ago discussing what I was looking up. Admittedly I probably still be using it if I hadn't been banned from the whole site on a trumped-up charge.
- I'm curious what the trumped up charges were?
  
  Light treason
- I too, was fucked by a trumped up charge. Perma-banned by IP so any new account I setup without a VPN gets banned.
  My main account (16yo, "Charter Member") got a subreddit ban. It was reversed a few weeks later by a mod. Then the original mod re-banned me and said "no ban evasion allowed". Then Reddit banned me for evading a ban.
  I didn't evade anything. I was allowed to post during a short period!
  
  Mine was: I kept reporting people for being transphobic dicks, some of whom were straight up doing the "Let's report this profile for suicidal posts and cite them being trans as proof. The automated system will do the rest", non-joke, and eventually I had to start reporting people for other things...
  Instead of ya know, actually looking into the things I was reporting, Reddit took one look at the mass of reports I made and decided I HAD to be making the whole thing up and just banned me for "False Reports" and "Report Abuse" because that's just easier than doing their fucking jobs.
  They also claimed it wouldn't be reversed because it was a "Clear violated of the TOS", and linked me a TOS which had nothing on "False Reports/Report Abuse"
  Ironically, this was my second Site-Wide Ban.
  My first? I was banned for promoting violence and sending death threats to people. The ban was reversed when I appealed it and pointed out that the post in question had no threats, and was just a heavily downvoted post in which I claimed to be glad Cara Dune's actress being fired was a good thing... Bastards didn't even check to see if an actual death threat was made.
  I've never seen a service more excited to exclude people from using it than Reddit.
  
  I too was perma banned :( rest in peace u/unhappy_grapefruit_2
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  Perma-bans are fucking crazy. The correct way to think about them is as a death sentence. Hatred speech in real life: what, like 2 years in prison? IDK actually... Hatred speech on reddit: death penalty.
  
  More like lifetime sentence because you still can view the content without the account, no? It’s not like they come into your house and took all your computing devices.

I've returned to reddit a few times, mostly to just get an answer to a question I was trying to look up. But a few days ago I did make a new account, because I was feeling lonely and wanted to try and make new internet friends, and as far as I know, lemmy doesn't yet have those penpal/chat/make friend communities. I had forgotten how ass the new account experience on reddit is, and how ass reddit itself is. I couldn't get the verification email (tho that could have been due to trying to use a temporary email), posts got auto deleted due to account age and low karma, and random email and cookie popups that kept coming back. When one post miraculously did get posted (despite automod telling me it was deleted lol) and I got chat requests, I couldn't even reply to people! I tried accepting the request, but kept getting an error. At this point I'm not sure if it is an actual error, or just reddit restricting new accounts from chatting, even if they are the ones the chat is sent to...
I get that these are used to combat bots, but is it actually working? Mostly it's just hurting people who legitimately want to join and enjoy the site. The karma requirements also bring in their own problems, like subreddits just focused on farming karma so that users can finally take part in the conversations they came for in the first place.
I think people will get tired of the horrible new account creation and experience on reddit and look for alternatives. Lemmy seems to be more privacy orientated and without silly internet points anybody with a new account can immediately jump in on the action without restrictions, for better or worse.

Revanced let's you patch your own API key into old third party apps 🙈
- Wait so you can still browse reddit with third party apps
  
  yeah I've still been using Sync
  
  some are alive like fatbird but there's also joey for Reddit that shut down recently (mabye mandella affect)
  
  Boost still works if you were a moderator prior to the "ban."
  Thank god for my teeny-tiny private sub; Boost is so much better than the unusable official app
- IDK what you just said or what it means
  
  There's an app which can change a Reddit client so Reddit thinks you're just another user with your own app.
  They are just limiting you if you offer your unique ID to many other users, which essentially every app developer in any store does.

I'm at least on it a lot less since I can't use it on my phone.

I need better moderator tools and then I'll move my whole community
- Mod tools only became necessary when communities became larger. I'm sure you'll be fine with what's available when most communities start off small. Hell the Star wars prequel/sequel memes subs actually combined into one sub to keep their communities big enough to survive off Reddit and they're doing just fine.
  
  I appreciate your optimism, but I've run the numbers and that's always a sticking point. It might be a tenth of the subscribers that move over, but it'll be a 20th of the number of mods that move over. And I moderate a rowdy bunch!

It's funny because I wasn't even using a 3rd party app so this didn't really affect me but it was better to leave reddit then instead of waiting for something that will affect me. That and I love open source.

I left reddit after a few weeks of getting any useful info off my saved list. Honesty I've been happier these last couple months. Now I only visit reddit( with an ad blocker, because they ain't making a penny off me) to read help and old opinion threads when I need the info.
- Haven’t logged in since Apollo stopped working. old.reddit + every ad blocked. May they slowly decay, someday existing in archive alone.

I deleted my reddit account.
Heil spez

I went back this week because I noticed narwhal 2 finally came out. I loved narwhal and we waited such a long time for the new app to come out. Outside of using Reddit in search engine results, I looked around with the new app. And people are so mean and rude on Reddit I forgot how toxic it can get there. Made me really appreciate lemmy.
Narwhal 2 will eventually need to start charging. It was nice to finally get a glimpse of it because it goes paid.
- I’ve been sort of bothered by the uptick of rudeness and combativeness on lemmy lately. When I first got here, it felt like everyone assumed positive intent from each other most of the time, but recently it feels like that shifted. I hope I just got unlucky and it isn’t a bigger trend overall.
  
  It’s a damn shame if that toxicity is permeating through Lemmy. Once I really feel no difference between here and reddit on that front, I’d rather go back to reddit unfortunately.
- If anything, people are worse here, in my experience.
  
  Yeah it's honestly insane. Getting to the point where I think I'm just going to filter out the technology and politics communities despite being interested in the content and in some of the discussions. There are so many over the top toxic people on lemmy. In one of the youtube adblocking threads, there was a guy who said something along the lines of "honestly it's worth it for me to have youtube premium" and he was downvoted and called a paid google employee. Like it's so absurd. You can't say anything that goes against the circlejerk without being dogpiled on. It's behavior that's far worse and more consistently worse than anything I've ever seen on reddit. It's not the first time I've seen stuff like that. I remember all the backlash when sync came out. I like the app and the dev so I paid for it but all these FOSS bros were acting like the dev is the second coming of Hitler for daring to make money for his work. It's exhausting. I hate ads and subscriptions but I need to live my life at some point and just begrudgingly accept them. I can't spend all day seething about it like a lot of people on lemmy do. Again, it's just kind of exhausting reading a lot of threads now. I thought I was going crazy but it's nice to see that other people have similar observations.
  
  Same, not at first but seems like the mega assholes breed here like rabbits.

I may protest the cost of groceries, but I still buy groceries.
And I'm finding the exact same type of BS here on Lemmy as I do on Reddit.
- Holy false equivalence Batman. You don't need reddit to live...
  
  You can grow your own food, can you not, Robin?
- Not entirely the same. We don't have a apex dictator here
- Honestly, I've found Lemmy to be generally worse than Reddit since it seems to be where all the banned redditors go once people get sick of their shit.

Only for the porn though xD
- lemmynsfw.com
  
  It's not the same.
  
  unfortunately that stuff isn't my porn

if one good thing came out of it, its that there's now a wider appreciation for mods and how much work they do, as basically a free service. people seem a lot more understanding of slow mod reactions, and can see what happens when that free volunteer force stop doing it. several subs have become a lot worse simply because there arent enough people to keep up, and mods arent blamed as hastily, the community seem to get that its because it's difficult without motivation & people-power

Still a lot of stuff that's not moved over either as fedirated isn't as esay to use yet or reddit being established

I still go on Reddit when I find the answer to a specific problem, or if I have to ask something specific, but I make sure to go on my computer with adblock

I go on reddit for the TeachingUK sub and for the rugbyunion sub.
If those communities existed here in any meaningful way then I'd be done with reddit properly at this point.

I'm cool

I am now using Lemmy and Reddit like an addict.

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I still feel a strong pull towards r/worldnews. c/world@lemmy.world is juuuust not quite as good, content-wise. edit: !world@lemmy.world Still new to lemmy, lol...
- ah yes c/world@lemmy.world
  also why are you typing in codeblocks
  
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  Look there is a peasant beneath us!
  
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  Because it preserves whitespace.
- Okay how did you make the text Like that?
  
  Start and stop the message with three backticks on a line on their own:
  
  This stuff gets rendered in fixed width with preserved whitespace.

im only lurking without an account from time to time

I was on Reddit for ten years, about a million karma between a few accounts. The day Reddit Is Fun stopped working I had already deleted my accounts and all of that content earlier in the week. Google searches have brought me back for a few minutes but I'm out.

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- Yeah, our server sucks.... Sry broh
- It was something like this as far as I remember.
  
  Thabk

I don't need it! I can stop whenever I want, man!

The guy that invented steel had to live and breath iron in order to create change.
Its not wrong to still use the old ways.
Hell. I hear some people still use the imperial system. Lol.
- You're a poet, my friend.

I left.
- Congratulations.
  
  You too.
  I do sometimes search Lemmy for subs I miss and when I don’t see them I feel sad I do not have time to start and tend them.
  I’m coming up on a break and I think I will undertake one or two but if a person doesn’t have time to mod I don’t think they should mod.

I still use Sync for reddit, the day it stops working, I'm done with reddit on mobile

Lemmy doesn't have my niche communities. Stay mad.
- "Stay mad"
  "Lives rent free"
  "no u"
  I miss when trolling was a art.
  
  Toddlers are the OG troll tho so technically they have seniority:(

I think it's very cool. Let Reddit have them. We're doing pretty good over here so far. The last thing we need is to be overrun by normies again.
- I'm afraid it's bound to happen at some point
- You were a normie at one point too
- Frankly there's too goddamn many redditors Here already

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