Elon Musk supports eliminating voting rights for people without children
Critics have accused Mr Musk of holding eugenecist views about populations
I support eliminating billionaires.
I’m not having kids because billionaires have bribed, lobbied, misinformed this country, and by extension the world, to the brink ruin
Yeah but they are still having kids lol that's just what they want
To think that not so long ago, this authoritarian, grifting man-child was hailed as the real-life Tony Stark. If the mask slips any further, even his remaining fanboys are going to find it difficult to defend him.
I don't think he has near as many fanboys as the musk circlejerkers on reddit always made it out to seem. I barely ever see anyone genuinely fanboy him anymore, at most many are neutral to him while still thinking he's an idiot.
I think reddit (and social media in general) just has a habit of giving megaphones to "the other side", no matter how small it actually is, so they can have someone to appear to argue against so it doesn't look like they're yelling at a wall.
Not enough people point out he has bot farms at this disposal.
Old news, predates Twitter. His popularity is wildly over estimated. It's inflated. It's fake. Always was meme.
I remember back in like 2018 and 2019 I pegged him as either Stark, early on, or Lex Luthor. Either way, he was an asshole, with the only concept of philanthropy being what he could gain from it.
Turns out I gave him way too much credit in both cases, he isn't even close to their intellects.
They will find some excuse.
You're telling me the billionaire whose family fortune came from apartheid emerald mines is a total cunt?
I'm shocked! Shocked! ... Well, not that shocked.
Ah yes, “I don’t want to say gay and intersex people shouldn’t be allowed to vote, but I do want it to happen.”
Anyways I’m sterile and drive the most fuel efficient vehicle practical, don’t eat meat, and have made other sacrifices for future generations to have a habitable planet. Musky here has a private jet and at least one of his kids hates him
This may come as a shock to him, but a gay person can have children.
Gay parenting rights were a hard fought battle and are currently being eroded in some places like Florida and Italy.
Not if he has anything to say about it.
How about we stop caring what that clown has to say?
I find it especially egregious the people who (rightfully) bash him, but continue to support his products such as Twitter and Tesla. Stop supporting him. Especially on Twitter. Advertisers have fled the platform. Some users have as well. If even 1/2 the people who claim to hate the guy just stopped using Twitter, the entire platform would collapse. Instead you people prop up that site by going to it.
People whine about how shitty the API has become and how shitty tech support is and how there's no one to talk to when they run into bugs - yet they keep paying Musk $42,000 a month for that privilege.
Elon Musk shouldn't be allowed to vote.
He isn't even a real American.
Why report on that guy's opinions as if they matter? He's rich, not a voting rights expert.
He's a fascist, too, which people conveniently ignore because he's rich and some of it might rub off on them.
For the same reason the opinion of someone like Rupert Murdoch matters. Its not about their viewpoint directly as an individual, its the fact they control massive platforms that can and do sway public opinions.
In murdochs case he's had an influential impact on British politics over the last 40 years and has used his media empire to act as a king maker.
Musk isn't as savvy or as intelligent as Murdoch but that doesn't mean is influential position should be ignored.
I don't like Elon Musk, but can you explain what makes him a fascist? I feel like people are really throwing that term around a lot and it's kind of concerning.
I think eliminating voting rights for citizens without children is a fascist policy. Fascism is about enforcing a "correct" or "natural" hierarchy in society. Historically this has usually been about race, but has also included other factors (for example, disabled people were the first group targeted for extermination by the Nazis). For some of us, not having kids is a choice (and imo a valid one that shouldn't be punished by the state). But this sounds like an easy way to discriminate against same-sex couples, and all fascist systems have a history of doing that.
It's a fair question, but you're probably getting downvoted because you "feel like people are really throwing that term around a lot and it’s kind of concerning". People are throwing the term around a lot because of all the fascism, and the fact that you find the term more concerning than the actual fascism is a bad look.
Elon Musk probably also supports eliminating voting rights for people without a blue check
Service Guarantees Citizenship!
IM DOING MY PART
BLUE ACCOUNTS MATTER ☑️
They took our ability to have children through monetary strain, caused by corporate greed, now they think we should lose voting rights lol...
So that means no taxes I guess?
Stop. Feeding. The. Troll!
Just stop giving this idiot attention, it's what he gets off on. You're all getting him off. If that's what you're into, fine but, if it's not, you're being taken advantage of.
Elon to Twitter execs - "Don't you guys wanna get off with me? Just follow my lead guys, we're gonna get off together."
Welcome to the rise of aggressively pro-natalism billionaires, because it's 2023 and we're not imploding fast enough.
Remember, you won't have a seat on the transport to Mars. And if you ever get there, it will be to work the mines.
I feel like these people are using the Handmaids Tale as a guide at this point...
I played that video game. I'm signing up with the mercs in that case.
Are you thinking of the Red Faction series?
I was thinking more Bioshock embodies Musk exactly. Both of the settings, in fact.
At this point I have finally realised that Elon Musk is an attention-seeking cunt and we should probably start to just ignore him, at least for a while.
However, I've got some ideas! Instead of people without children, how about we restrict the vote to the children themselves? How does that sound, Elon? Nobody over 20 should get a vote because they only have... pthh, I dunno, a few decades, 90 years at most left on this planet, so fuck them. Am I right? Maybe we could give everyone a voting point for every year they have left assuming an average lifespan of 75 years - perhaps women could have more points as they generally live longer. That would be fair, no? We should also completely take money out of politics and stop billionaires and large corporations from undermining democracy too! Don't you think that's a great idea?
Plus, I know some SHITTY parents who don’t consider their kids much at all. Why don’t we limit the vote to good parents who can prove they love their children by sacrificing themselves for their kids in a simulated environment? I mean, this is the future! VR voting compassion-for-your-children tests. Elon loooves futurestuff
I don't want people to ignore him. I want him in the news every day, pissing people off and agitating the masses.
Every time Musk opens his mouth the screams "eat the rich!" get louder. Why on Earth would I want that to stop?
Him constantly being in the news is like a significantly less annoying version of Trump, so I'd like to ignore him at least :) When Trump stopped being president it was like someone finally figured out how to stop a car alarm that had been going off outside my window for four years.
I hope we get to the eat the rich part before they have armies of security robots controlled by extremely advanced AI :)
When will Elon eventually or slowly fade out of popular media and when he's alienated everyone around him he can go away and live as a recluse. He can be the next Howard Hughes, living in a dark casino hotel room wearing Kleenex boxes on his feet.
Ideally less of a casino hotel room and more a hole in the floor
I have bad news for you.
Like all republicans, Musk is in favor of eliminating voting (and other) rights for various groups, one by one.
I support eating the rich; one bite at a time.
In french a bite is a.., well this sentence is funny to me.
Tiny bite Elon
I hate that so much credence is being given to the words of that mouth breather. Dude was born with an emerald spoon in his mouth and has a god complex because he bought a car company.
Crazy, out of touch billionaire has a crazy, unrealistic idea. Fucking stop the presses.
Considering that he doesn't give a shit about his own children, this is typical Musk-Irony (tm)
I disagree with his fundamental premise that people with children can see the interests of society better.
I don't have children, but I have heard from every possible source that once you have children they become your world.
How is a person expected to reason clearly about the interest of millions of people when they are running an ancient biological program focused on the interests of a tiny family unit?
edit: I once saw the argument that having family doens't make you a better person. Having family makes you a ruthless user and taker on behalf of your family. Most of the stories you hear of people giving in to corruption, happen because those people can't afford to lose their jobs, because they have mouths to feed. Once you have kids, you must choose whether you value your kids over your civic responsibility, or vice-versa.
People with children won't have the time to research issues too deeply, and they will be sleep deprived for several years.
They make better sheep.
There are plenty of people with children who vote against their children's best interests.
Edit: misread your disagree as agree
I really hope this guy loses everything one day.
Yeah, only the desperate, finantially dependent on shitty jobs to feed their youngling should vote. Only them and the wealthy people that provide said shitty jobs. That will surely save what little democracy is left. You know what? People that make as much money as Musk should not be allowed to vote or to donate in order to influence campaings. These dudes have no real nationality, they are not tied anywhere and don’t have the best interest of any nation at heart. Billionaires are practically a walking, talking, foreign power operating within your country’s borders with almost total impunity. A self-deluded eugenecist foreign power at that.
It's been the same since the beginning. Thomas Jefferson complained about them too.
"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains."
Has he even met most of his children? Does he even remember X Æ A-12's birthday?
He has a trans daughter who hates him. She disowned him and legally changed her last name when she became an adult.
I can't imagine how terrible a father he has to be in order to turn down inheriting part of the richest man in the world's fortune.
Given that this is what her mom has to say about Elon it’s not surprising at all
https://www.marieclaire.com/sex-love/a5380/millionaire-starter-wife/
FrEe SpEeCh
A guy with three passports for three different countries should take his wildly out-of-touch idiocy and fuck off.
Judging by how he treats his wives, he probably even wants to repeal women's right to vote.
Immediately read this headline and thought "Next, only married people should be having kids so realistically only the husband needs to vote since his wife should align with him". Followed by some good ol SA-style apartheid for the minorities.
"Turns out non-landowners don't have much stake in the future"
Not surprising anymore. The guy (like his father) has a insane breeding fetish. And never forget that his father groomed his own adopted daughter (that he know since she was a child) and has two kids with her 🤮.
Republicans sure are obsessed with eliminating people’s voting rights. So let’s remove all Republicans from office instead by voting them out in the next election. ✊
Why do republicans hate freedom so much?
Everyone supports freedom until people start choosing the wrong options.
it's "you can get your model T in any color you want as long as it's black" but for social policy. and let's just say that i doubt elon's version would be "as long as it's black"
Because they like two things: money and power.
If the people are free, they have less of both
I support 100% tax over $1 billion. If you can't manage on a billion dollars, the rest would be better spent on others, anyway.
It's generally just beneficial for ultra high tax rates as wealth goes up. That's what actually incentivizes "trickle down economics". As the uber wealthy approach the tax limit it stops making sense for them to horde the wealth. And, instead of letting the tax man get it most of them decide to put their money back into the businesses or charities or whatever.
They don't actually have 1 billion dollars tho, they have stocks with an estimated value of 1 billion dollar. I don't think there's an effective way to tax that.
More realistically you can make more tax brackets for levels of income higher than $500k. Cash income regularly exceeds this for CEOs.
You can also pass laws restricting how much can be paid out in ways other than cash both in value and percentage of shares. Or increase capital gains tax further past certain limits (this has already happened in 2013). Or have a graduated tax on loans taken against certain collateral (like stocks, bonds).
The laws themselves can get a bit complicated but such is law. There are plenty of ways to make sure the rich pay their fair share. They just don't want us doing it.
Stop letting people own more than 1 share of a company
This last couple years has done a great job of exposing the Musk family weird breeder kink.
He doesn't even do the work himself for THAT, He uses artificial insemination.
why republicans always find a way to deny voting for some random group?
It's not random. Conservatives and religious fundamentalists are dramatically more likely to have children than progressives and other leftists.
in this case i don't even think it's representative of the average republican since he's got like 9 children and probably thinks himself the second coming of jesus kkkrist who will bring humanity to a new life in free speech mars
Maybe we should take away his rights too since he doesn't actually take care of his kids.
It's crazy to me that we live in a world where money and celebrity implies influence, and credentials don't mean much on a general public stage. This man can tweet something insane and its taken as a serious discussion point.
Given that money can buy influence, it is a legitimate risk to society, I get that. But how crazy is that as a concept?
Ever seen the movie Glass Onion? There's a character who is modeled partly on Musk, and it's spot on.
How crazy is it that people feel completely comfortable with it being true?
The reality is the complete opposite since they've proven themselves to be enemies of the well being of the general populace.
It's as much a function of human evolution as it is of how our society functions. And hell, isn't that dependent on human evolution too?
We evolved to survive, not to run a society. We've done pretty well overall despite that problem, but the wheels are coming off.
Humans have evolved to be social cooperative creatures not greedy selfish hoarders, and it is only in the last few thousand years, a blip in human history, that these systems developed by, and that only reward, greed and selfishness, have been around.
Don't let these systems and the people who benefit from them (and those who have been propagandised to believe they benefit from it but really don't) fool you in to thinking any of this is natural.
He's so damn creepy. First the pedo thing, then the breeding thing, now this. I'm beginning to think Musk is the pedophile.
There's a reason Elon Musk thinks like that. Apparently his father's current wife is elon's step sister. Apparently he groomed her from a young age to be a future wife. And this is not something unique with elon's father. His whole breeding kink also comes from his sicko father. The reason he thinks everyone else is fucked up is because he is.
Not saying he isn't, because we know he's a sex offender, but I think the breeding thing is more about Great Replacement, which really boils down to racist megalomania.
Look up who his dad is fucking.
I like how he's burning bridge after bridge with everyone. No one would want to associate with him, and everything he touches turns to shit. Sure he can enjoy his money, but to an extent he's kinda screwed his venture start-up goodwill for life.
I wish it was possible for him to lose everything.
Wait till he finds out, that parents are an ethnically much more diverse group than the general public.
Is he racist or are you racist?
I don't know about the person you replied to, but he's definitely a racist.
No idea why people are still buying cars that this guy makes.
Despite being an early investor, there is no way in fuck I would but a Tesla. There are some good ideas in there but it is held back by shit quality control, using owners as alpha testers, and a fuck ton of hubris from the guy at the top.
For a while, they were the only ones in stock
People forget a huge side of this as well. It's not just being financial able to have kids but physically able. More and more people now days are seeking fertility treatment and having fertility issues. According to elon, those people would not have the right to vote.
People who go to college and then university and then intern somewhere to get a junior position and then a senior position are in their mid 30s when they're in a stable enough position to plan for kids.
By contrast, a lot of people who are happy with a high school degree have kids before they're 20.
This is not a value judgment, but separating people by when they're having kids segments the population of into very distinct strata.
It's not hard to guess why a billionaire who's running a right-wing social media platform would prefer a certain demographic.
We waited until our 30s to have a child for a lot of reasons, and I'm glad we did it. We were more financially secure and had sowed our wild oats, so we were also not likely to go out and party. Elon was already financially secure when he had is first child. He has no idea how much a child costs in terms of money and in terms of what sort of life you want to live for most people.
Talk about unalienable rights to life and liberty
Most of the rights after the first 10 are 100% alienable in a naturalist sense. A man in the jungle will speak freely and associate voluntarily... A man in the jungle has a right to not be lorded over for more than 8 years by one individual (a la 25A, for instance)...? The verbiage becomes meaningless.
The US Bill of Rights only includes the first 10 amendments, so the 25A isn't included. It also doesn't itself contain "unalienable", that being only in the Declaration of Independence, and in the discussions around the proposal of the amendments.
While the whole unalienable rights of all people that we're just stating as one country rather seems like Enlightenment ridiculousness and extremely pretentious, and I've certainly seen interpretations that are extremely hegemonic, such as arguing that the US Bill of Rights applies to all countries, it doesn't include later amendments.
What happened to free speech absolutist
What happened to free speech absolutist
It turns out he's a disingenuous shit-bag. But you didn't need me to tell you that.
He doesn't even care about his kids, let alone the future. It's all just a numbers game to inflate his ego based on dumb ideology.
Yeah he definitely injected a massive stream of hassle and bullshit into the life of that kid whose name can't even be spelled.
What is a more clear signal of narcissistic parenting than a child being given a novelty name?
Yeah if this was “only those who are good parents can vote” his tune would be entirely different since he’d be unable lmao
How about instead we eliminate the voting rights (and eligibility to hold office or judgeships) of those who are within 10 years of their life expectancy? Childless middle-aged adults have a lot more stake in the state of the world they are going to be living in for the next 40-50 years than the old farts who are about to die.
Does this apply to boomers who no longer have kids that are under the age of 18? You mean they still get to vote? Then fuck off Elon no one wants to buy your stupid tesla coils.
What a huge shift from the real life Iron Man 10 years ago to some I don’t know what to say…
There is a limited amount of time you can maintain that profile without making things. 10 years ago people didn't know he lied most of the time but now we know because nothing he ever promises comes true.
Also he got super duper divorced. He is the most divorced anyone has ever been.
Remind me why this man hasn't been arrested and investigated by multiple alphabet agencies by now?
Because the justice system has been entirely corrupted to serve the interests of wealth.
Hey why stop there? Let's also not allow voting for people that have been disowned by their kids like musk has. And no voting for religious people who think earth is just a pit stop before heaven/hell so there's no need to improve life on earth at all.
I feel like "has children" probably correlates with "has stable income", which makes this classism by another name.
I think the literal opposite is true.
"In 2021, women in households with an income below the poverty threshold had the highest birth rate at 72 births per 1,000 women."
I think it has more to do with the massive reduction in the reserve labor army in the last few years due to people dying of and becoming disabled by COVID. The remaining labor force is smaller and is therefore better able to negotiate higher wages and better working conditions, while employers are left scrambling to fill empty positions, especially in industries that have historically been awful to work in like retail and food service. Forcing and coercing reproduction will lead to an increased reserve labor army, reduce the power of workers collectively and individually, and reduce the number of workers who are able to participate in disruptive organization (ie unionization) purely due to a lack of surplus time and resources. It also has the effect of oppressing those of us labeled "women" due to our bodies being the means of reproduction, which is a win for the right wing in particular both economically and ideologically.
Just because he can't seem to have enough kids who hate him doesn't mean everyone does.
