1y ago

lemmy.world doesn't seem to have many established NSFW communities; they appear to be in separate instances. Is there any benefit to this or anything stopping lemmy.world from having NSFW communities?

This may be more of an "out of the loop" thing, but I'm new to this site and I'm noticing that lemmy.world seems surprisingly bereft of any substantial NSFW content. I'm surprised! Isn't the adage that porn motivates technological progress?

What's even more surprising is that the NSFW instance seems brand spanking new.

Is there some code-of-conduct thing which has prevented NSFW community growth? Or is it just a demographic thing where there wasn't much/any demand until the Reddit exodus?

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Before last month, lemmy was very very small and comparatively inactive. Lemmy admins are hobbyists who run the server in their spare time, most did/do not want to deal with pornographic content on their server as with it come a lot of potental moderational and legal challanges.

Most (all?) Lemmy instances are hosted by individuals doing it for personal interest. I assume many admins don't want the legal liability of random users possibly posting illegal NSFW material.
I think it's partly a demographic thing, too. lemmynsfw.com came into existence with the initial Reddit exodus, as did most Lemmy instances. Lemmy was apparently a pretty quiet place until three weeks ago.
- Lol yeah this place was nuts before the exodus. It was mostly marxists simping for Mao and Stalin and you'd regularly find 2yo posts at the top. Couldn't convince anyone else to join either because they'd go check it out, see people claiming that the holodomor, tienanmen square, and the armenian genocide never happened, and support for "the Z warriors" who are "fighting ukranian nazis and western imperialism," and understandably they'd nope right the fuck out.
  I'm so fucking glad all of you came to this platform to make it usable. Seriously, thank each and every one of you.
  
  A 2-year user! You are a rare one indeed.
- This must play a huge role. Given how Lemmy works, illegal content is actively being hosted on your server, that's a huge risk, surely. I wouldn't touch hosting porn on any server I owned or administered with a ten foot pole.
  
  Plus, all it takes is some moron posting a picture of an underage girl. If you don't catch and remove it quick enough, boom, you're hosting CP and in a world of trouble. Not worth the liability.
- https://the-federation.info/platform/73
  Yeah -- some of the most popular instance graphs are like a whole month old haha.
- This nobody wants to have to deal with the possibility of legal issues of hosting child porn because some creepy person posts it to there site nothing stoping a porn company from hosting there own instance and then they can charge people for it

It would be nice if all NSFW was annexed to their own instance and left out of generally populated ones. There’s no need for it to be side-by-side with generalized content.
- You seem to not grasp how this federation thing works. All servers which are not actively blocking the NSFW instance will see it as well.
- Funny thing is that AI tech is turning NSFW into one of the best starting points and introductions to the subject. I'm all for separating it, but the separation turns out to have its own complexities. After messing with some of the tools, a large chunk of NSFW is from Stable Diffusion. There are certain aspects that are hard to generate and only really apparent with some practice writing prompts. It is far easier to quantify the types of issues that arise from bad prompts using a human body where we are much better equip to detect very subtle mistakes at a glace once we know where to look. It is an easy path into using SD for other endeavors. Admittedly, it ruins a bit of the primal appeal, and totally flips the subject where you're then browsing looking for clever prompting. Funny thing is, the like count often correlates with prompt cleverness rather than output. It is the primary driver of engagement.
  
  No idea what you’re talking about. It’s just picture of naked people. It needs to be in its own place.
  
  Clean up on aisle 5, someone threw up a thesaurus over here

From what I gather, the existence of a dedicated NSFW-friendly instance has made most such posters gravitate towards that particular place, as they may or may not be banned or defederated from other instances if they set shop in another server.

I think that's a good thing. Different topics have different moderation needs and I think specialized instances will be better equipped to deal with those special needs. Communities being on separate instances is by design and we shouldn't have an expectation for instances to do everything.
- Yeah, there is no need for everything on one instance at all. That will only increase redundancies.

https://lemmynsfw.com/
- This is the way.
  
  All the posts I see on that site are of fully clothed women.
  Edit: I wasn't logged in

I think this is beneficial because it lowers the traffic of the instance. Especially with how many users World has, adding all the traffic generated from NSFW communities would only compound any problem in the instance processing requests slowly.

From what I know there are a number of legal complications/liabilities to hosting NSFW content. For most people hosting instances it's just not worth the hassle given that users can still interact with the NSFW communities on the dedicated instance.

I've heard that adage about the porn industry pushing innovation, but I'm not sure it's entirely true. Like, I believe "the world standardized on VHS because the porn industry did" is outright false.
Hosting porn brings down a whole load of legal scrutiny onto your service. In some places in the world it's outright illegal or the effort it takes to do it within the law is so great that it's not worth doing. Several instances don't want to even attempt it. Instances that do probably need to specialize in the kind of attention that sort of hosting requires.
- The porn/VHS thing is a bit of an urban myth. Top Gun was the first blockbuster only released on VHS and had more effect than porn.
  Anecdotally, my sister and I persuaded our dad to buy a VHS so we could have Top Gun.
  
  Blu-Ray, however

It's better to separate nsfw into their own instances, because then admins who don't want porn on their Lemmy servers can just block the offending instance.
Also, try https://pornlemmy.com .

I'm having the opposite experience. I filter by "all" and I am flooded with NSFW content. Been blocking individual communities, but I don't know if I can just block the lemmynsfw instance(I'm using Jerboa).
- There is a setting in Jerboa to hide NSFW, but at the moment it's not possible for individual users to block entire instances, although it's a recommend feature on Lemmy.
  
  Yeah, I had checked that when I made my account as I don't mind it on occasion. Thanks for the reminder! I forgot about that.
- So many scat porn out there! I don't mind seeing nsfw stuff but poop stuff is a bit too much in the morning with my coffee.
  
  Lol that's wild I haven't seen anything like that. What is your default home page filter? I can't imagine that rising up very far on Hot or Active haha

It'd be better to post that stuff to lemmynsfw.com . Not only for organizational purposes, but lemmy.world may go anti-NSFW for whatever reason, where an instance dedicated to it won't. Also for people who don't want NSFW stuff in their All, they can simply block one instance and filter it all out. Whereas if it's on .world , then they'd have to block each individual community.

One of the benefits of the fediverse is that there is no over-arching code of conduct, precisely because there's no way to enforce it. Each instance's owner decides on what they are willing - and not willing - to host on their own instance. Other instances can "defederate" from yours if they don't like what's hosted there, which means the two instances will stop talking to each other, as beehaw did with lemmy.world. But there is no way to globally ban an instance off the face of the internet.

I'm wondering what's stopping folks from setting up CP and JB instances
Even reddit and Twitter have problems with that
- It's possible they are getting set up, but not federating. Hopefully not though.
- Spinning up an instance is akin to setting a web server. There's a lot of personal information that gets tied to ownership of both domain and the hardware itself. This data is publicly known for those who know where to look at. Without the typical layers of privacy that shield anonymous users in big corporate services. Mostly due do payment information, whether you rent hardware or selfhost using some DNS registry rental from an IP provider. You're out in the open hosting CSAM. You'd have local security forces in your home within the week in most developed and developing world countries.
  On top of that, your instance would be immediately defederated by all other instances. So you'd be the only one on the hook for that crime.
  
  You can do it anonymously as well, but it requires knowledge and it's easy to make a mistake.

Its already an open problem on Discord, too. It may just be a matter of time
I belonged to several subs that made an effort to find and report them and the grooming diddlers
We need to find a place like that in the 'verse

Meh I'm fine with how it is now. I don't need porn mixed in with my tech nerd news and discussions.

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