Oh boy...this must be Biden's strategy before his election.

Yes, it will go terribly for Russia, the country which notoriously lost every time they fought in winter.

Was gonna say ah yes the Russian army, famously I'll equipped for winter defenses.

Ukraine already complaining that Russia is cheating by using at Mines on their tanks, I'm sure covering them in snow will make it easier.

smuglord those dirty Russianist hordes will surely be weakened by the onset of winter, which history has shown is the perfect time to launch an offensive into Russia. I am very intelligent.

The NATO forces will be warmed by the power of love, and triumph over the evil of Russia! I hear they are ready to use the Carebear Stare if Putin doesn't surrender.

Ah ye,s the Russians, famously unprepared for... checks notes ...Winter! Yes, this makes sense!

WHY IS YOUR PLAN TO FREEZE OUT THE FUCKING RUISSIANS, ON THE OFFENSE.

THAT HAS NEVER WORKED. THAT IS LITERALLY THE CLASSIC EXAMPLE OF A BAD IDEA

Nazis gonna Nazi
- the cycle repeats again, but to a much shorter beat this time

Ah yes. The Russians. Notorious for losing to invading forces due to being ill prepared for harsh Russian winters.

Wtf is a "Stalingrad"? Sounds very authoritarian.
- Oh, it was
- It’s Lemmygrad but inside Stalin instead of Lemmy
If there is one propaganda narrative I did not expect to see, it's this one. This is why I don't gamble. Can you imagine the odds?

Russians are getting... whatever they get,

Buddy, Russia is blowing up previously never-exploded Britbong tanks and basically disassembling NATO artillery before it even launches, often simply by having weapons that work.

The Transatlantic Empire's most effective weapons have proven, like always, to be terrorism and targeted political assassinations. The U.S. is as paper a fucking tiger now as it was when chairman Mao said it.

Don't forget propaganda powerful enough to make people oblivious to their material conditions
- Too many folk here in Amerika "know" more about what's happening in Ukraine than what's happening in their own damn neighborhoods.
  
  An addict shoots up. A mugger creates a victim. A cop shoots a black child. A homeless man freezes to death. A drunk beats his wife. Everyone starves and struggles against the tremendous weight of debt. Buildings and streets continue to erode ever further, unmolested by the tyranny of public investment. All within the shadow of billowing Ukrainian and Amerikan flags planted on some "apolitical" petit-bourgeois fucker's perfectly mowed lawn. 🇺🇦 🇺🇸
Russians discovering the concept of the Russian winter for the first time in their lives
- The Russians never read War and Peace either because it was written in (checks notes) Russian?
I'm sure Russia has military clothing for cold weather somewhere. This has to have been an issue that Russia anticipated at some point coming up
- At one point when typing stuff like above out one has to ask themselves if Russia, a country that has experience with extremely cold temperatures since forever, does not have winter proof materials for their army.
- Interestingly enough, there were issues with winter gear in Russian military - around 2008. Back when Serdyukov was minister of defence and launched a program of refitting the military. That was when Russian military began switching to "digital" camo (little pixels instead of big spots of the old Flora). Seeing how since then Russia has expanded operations in the Arctic, I daresay the issues were fixed.

Yes because the Russians are so utterly incompetent that they have literally no strategy in winter time aside from standing around like chickens with their fucking heads cut off. How do people buy this shit?

I am pretty sure it's 95% deeply rooted racism and the rest is the result of the ongoing propaganda campaign.
They buy it because they have internalized racism, it is simply not possible that these asiatic beasts have prepared for winter.

The nazis themselves were like this, the diaries of their leaders during the first 2-3 weeks of operation barbarossa show how little they thought of the soviet union at the start.
Half of the posters are probably paid to say it and the other half are lib brained.

Russia is a tropical country with no experience in winter apparently 😅

How do you explain the jungle in MGS3
- Tbh that one still confuses me. You're setting a game ostensibly in USSR and then make the landscape a rainforest? Why?

alright am I crazy or is this not the exact same thing these people were saying last year as winter was approaching?

That’s what’s also confusing me. Like, we’ve already gone through winter of this war so what makes this year different? The Russians survived then and will do the same now so I don’t know what they’re blabbing about.
- Most liberals believe history began in 2022. This one happens to be an advanced liberal who believes history started in the summer of 2023
- Didn't Russia literally take Bakhmut over the winter?
They forgot to update the bots, they are stuck in a loop
- Hey, that’s not fair to bots. That level of stupidity is reserved for humans.

i know the "invade russia in the winter" meme is inaccurate and overdone, but imagine doing it anyway

This one?

or the original: https://i.natgeofe.com/n/f4085fbe-b434-4bfc-8820-21b1611b14dd/02_map_post_minard_napolean.jpg?w=1272&h=1102
- I didn't mean a particular image, just that the way people talk about it misrepresents the timetables

I wonder what war looks like in their heads. Is it a fps shooter? A HOI campaign perhaps? Do they seriously believe soldiers just charge at each other?

It may be related to what space exploration looks like in their heads.

A vehicle lands on a desolate planet, serenaded by LE EPIC HANS ZIMMER music, and amid the BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM, humans transcend and become godlike and win the science victory. Roll credits.
It looks like the Americans from any Hollywood war movie fighting the Soviets from Enemy at the Gates.
In this particular case I'd say FPS or TPS. You can guess HOI foos by their fart-sniffing "strategic analysis"
It's a fucking game of Advance Wars to them.
- As someone who occasionally plays Advance Wars competitively, anyone who's played a map with snow knows how much it stops offensives. These people are below a children's strategy game at this point.
  
  EDIT: These people don't even know that Putin will just activate his CO power and make all the Ukranian units lose 2 hp and lose half their movement due to the snow.
As low as the bar is, I feel like a HOI campaign is actually a step beyond their strategy at this point.

Why wouldn’t the Russians be prepared? Look at where they live, do they not think Russian soldiers are prepared for fucking winter?

Nope. Every winter all Russians die. Every spring saruman makes new Russians out of dirt and coal.
Yea think Russia is a tropical climate or something 😅.

Its just usual armchair general discourse, they think they are big brain because they think about the weather.
- It just baffles me because isn’t Russia kind of well known for its brutal winters?

Ah yes. Fighting Russia in winter. The thing that westerners and nazis are definitely very good at.

Ignoring the stupid and outright murderously insane shit in that post...

Are they not aware that Ukrainian men were also conscripted? Ukraine quite literally locked down the borders and wouldn't let men out and said "go protect the homeland!"

I understand the conscripts thing is meant to he demoralizing or whatever like "you don't even want this war! Give up!" but that fails when your own country is also conscripting and begging for people from around the world to come help fight Russia. This wasn't exactly kept a secret either, so it's just weird seeing it used in this way.

Fascist blocking squads were quite violent with those they deemed cowards trying to desert...

At least Russians who were drafted actually have a sane chance of survival...getting "drafted" by Ukronazis is a death sentence...

Setting aside the question of winter gear (as comrades have already highlighted it), and even setting aside the murderous masturbatory fantasy of war-as-videogame (what they describe is essentially CoD or Ghost Recon kind of game, with gigachad protagonist having hilarious over the top advantage over poorly programmed NPCs).

I want to focus a little on the example chosen for comparison - Predator movie. Because it is a very peculiar choice. What do we see in the movie? First we see a team of these stereotypical Hollywood gigachad "operators" tear through a gang of Hollywood "rebels" in an absurdly one-sided tussle. Can't even call it a skirmish. The yanks have better gear, better physique, better everything, exactly as what the idiot in the image imagines yankee troops to be. And then the alien turns it upside down on them, by having better physique, better tech, etc. And it's once again not a battle, nor a fight, the alien is just hiding in the trees like a rat to occasionally pop a yank with that absurd gun of his. While invisible. And when Arnie accidentally circumvents the predator's tech - it screeches in impotent rage and fires blindly into the jungle, because its FPS sim got disturbed. Just as the yanks were firing blindly into the jungle earlier, for the same reason.

So what's the point of this rant? Well, I almost want to see those "SOF teams" try to pull their yankee shit, only to discover what "artillery barrage" means and what "peer equipment" means. But of course, useless removed-s like in the op image won't get the message and will simply continue writing similar masturbatory fanfics.

Seriously. I recently read a paper somebody linked here which went over Russian artillery doctrine. Long and the short is that the Russians can get effective artillery fires on a target inside of three minutes under optimal conditions, particularly when using UAVs for spotting. They've also gotten into the habit of attaching mortars to infantry units and forming them up into mortar teams ad hoc, giving such units some quite potent local indirect fire support.
the idiot writing this shit won't be on the frontlines having his illusions shattered it will be some guy who got signed up by a press gang while trying to catch a bus and already had his illusions shattered who will have to walk this idiots talk
- Sadly, you are correct. And that's the core of the issue. The idiots beating the war drums are always the ones feeling perfectly safe and sound in their little wine caves and incel basements on their little islands. It's everyone else who foots the bill for their hubris
If we consider the Predator movie, at least the first one, to be an allegory for the Vietnam war because it featured jungle warfare and commando bros facing off against an enemy that is virtually invisible, implacable, utterly alien and incomprehensible, and entirely determined to hunt down and kill the invaders (often in torturous ways) while the commando bros are pretty much helpless against the predator as they get picked off one by one...

Then they've kinda missed the entire message underlying the movie.

If they think "better equipment = we're like the predator" then they're failing to grasp the fact that the true terror in the film doesn't come from better technology but from an enemy which can blend seamlessly into the environment, which could be anywhere at any time, and is completely unstoppable. The technology is just window-dressing because if it were about a regiment of small Vietnamese people armed with AK-47s it wouldn't be much of a spectacle and it wouldn't play into macho power fantasies.

So, if the story is a metaphor about an enemy which is comparatively poorly armed using their skills and the terrain to their advantage, defeating what is assumed to be the best of the best, then why are they using it to brag about having better equipment again?

Next they're going to use Starship Troopers in completely the wrong way as a metaphor for the war in the Ukraine, aren't they?
- The technology in Predator isn't window dressing really, it's icing on a cake, because predator is able to defeat the Murican Heroes^TM largely because it, so by extension they suggest that the Vietnamese (not having that tech obviously) must had some kind of ~~magic~~ to be able to do it too.
  
  Next they’re going to use Starship Troopers in completely the wrong way as a metaphor for the war in the Ukraine, aren’t they?
  
  Already seen it. And not surprising at all, combined with complete amputation of the sense of irony and satire because prerequisite is to take ST movie completely seriously on face level.
- If we consider the Predator movie, at least the first one, to be an allegory for the Vietnam war
  
  Errr why should we? Because jungle and imaginary yankee toughs? I'm not sold on this analogy. Predator reads more like Wells' "War of the worlds" - turning the situation upside down on the colonizers. Suddenly they're the ones being hunted for sport by uncaring invader with absurd levels of technological superiority (while still acting as if it's fair and square).
  
  Then they’ve kinda missed the entire message underlying the movie
  
  Oh this I agree with
  
  but from an enemy which can blend seamlessly into the environment, which could be anywhere at any time, and is completely unstoppable.
  
  Nowadays drones fullfil this function
  
  Next they’re going to use Starship Troopers in completely the wrong way as a metaphor for the war in the Ukraine, aren’t they
  
  Didn't nafo already use the "I'm doing my part" bit from the movie, completely serious and missing the satire?

Winter offensive is very likely because the Grande Armée is getting French winter gear and Russians are getting... whatever they get, so they'll probably freeze.

Wait, which side was pressganging unwilling men into its military again

To be fair both sides are going it but the Ukrainians are doing it on a much larger scale and with much more brutal methods.
- It really is just this meme except it's not even their blessed homeland
  
  The cheerleading from these gamer chair warriors is pretty sickening

Just one more winter offensive bro. Believe me, we can invade Russia. It'll turn out totally different this time. C'mon bro.

But this time we have (technology gimmick)!
- Well unlike most other gimmicks yanks wank, night vision devices (i.e. thermals) are actually quite useful. Thing is, Russian forces have them. Both in personal variety and on tech (such as drones)
- hitler at kursk:

Can you imagine these well equipped and well trained Alpha Males using that equipment and training to absolutely murder a bunch of humans that were pressed into service against their will? Just absolutely slaughter them. They won't stand a chance. The soil is going to run red with the blood of human beings.

Oh yeah I can and I have never been so pingu-horny .

Why yes how did you know I am an American Democratic party donor?

Right, it's pretty telling when they think all Russian soldiers are unwillful conscripts and yet still salivate thinking of how they want to kill them.. Despicable
Wine cave warriors trying their best not to look sexually aroused while waiting for imminent images of slaughter to appear on their screens.
- I'm listening to blowback about Iraq and this shit sounds awfully familiar... 💀
in the falklands war the SAS collected human ears from killed conscripts. The person who wrote that would probably think those SAS soldiers are the kind of person to have over for dinner
This is a mischaracterization: libs would never call Russians human beings.

"ill equipped conscripts", these clowns do not know the difference between reservists and conscripts. Bless those dumb mfs.

In this war only one side has military "recruiters" press-ganging men off the street at gun point, and it isn't the Russians.

it will be just like in the moooovies

so-true

I can picture it now:

EUROPEANS

tired of being cold this winter because the US turned off your gas supply?

fight in Ukraine where the fire is always on and fresh warming mead flows all night long.

€3,400/month (minus expenses)

Cuz if there's one thing Russians can't handle, it's cold and snow.

Like how Middle-Easterners can't handle heat.

What happened to the Predator anyways? thonk

Dunno, went to the farm upstate and never was heard from again.

this has to be fake. are there really people who don't know the history of armies invading Russia in the winter?

I don’t know much about what happened during the Winter War (Soviet Union v. Finland) but people seem to cite it as an example of Russia somehow failing. With Finland now in NATO they seem optimistic that this is going to be Winter War 2 Electric Boogaloo.
- In the winter war, Russia got more than what they demanded from Finland and they were forced to sign the treaty for neutrality but I guess they joined Hitler's group soon.
- Finland joining NATO unlocked their alliance buff, providing all units with +20% damage on snow tiles

Positing that bad terrain, darkness and harsh climate will somehow help the people trying to push forward is incredible.

But what if the people pushing forward possess artifacts made with Aryan bazinga magic?

DID YOU THINK ABOUT OUR WUNDERWAFFEN? scared-fash

IT WILL BE JUST LIKE IN THE TREATS! so-true

stalin shouldn't have stopped at berlin

When Hitler’s General Staff were planning Operation Barbarossa, they gave themselves 4 months to crush the Red Army. After the first winter, they would run into significant logistics and manpower issues.

And yet, they still invaded the USSR, fully confident in the supremacy of the Third Reich and that the inferior Slavs - who could not even make anything more complicated than a lightbulb - would instantly crumble from the full might of the Nazi forces.

The fascist mentality never changes.

This is just like Russia invading Ukraine! We just gotta give them more stuff and let Zelenskyy kick in the Russia's door and the whole rotten structure will crumble upon itself!
- There are people who honestly think exactly like this and it's a bit concerning

Do not. Under any circumstances. Ever. Invade Russia in winter.

NATO can invade a little in winter, as a treat
- But they have to start from the US-Russian border in Siberia and no nukes

this level of separation from reality is surely an illness of some kind

Death to America

literally most of western libs ...Azov are marvel heroes and Russia is thanos

Russians are famous for not knowing how to operate in Russian winters.

Ah yes, offensive on Russia during winter never lost anybody any wars.

Pretty funny. There was a winter last year too lol and Ukraine didn't make any advances there (although that winter was warmer than usual). Then there was the spring offensive where Ukraine also made no advances and the arguments were that they were waiting for snow to thaw etc etc. Now apparently this winter is going to be it and everything they wanted to end for the spring offensive are going to help them.

Then there was the spring offensive

Which started in summer as well.
they were waiting for snow to thaw

Weird, I distinctly remember media saying that the thawing ("rasputitsa") was what was preventing the offensive. Or was it earlier? "Russians are waiting for the mud to freeze"?