Why I'm not getting a Fairphone*

I guess? Seems incredibly minor lol

That is just plain wrong. Phone calls are always mono. Also, audio quality via bluetooth can easily be as good as over wire, and many bt headphones have great microphones.

This isn't a discussion about wireless vs wired though, this is a discussion about whether or not an ancient standard that has already been replaced should be reintroduced just because some people have been using that standard for a long time..

There are USB wired hearphones, there are even adaptors for your old 3.5 mm jack devices, so how is this about wireless vs wired?

I think there are even dongles that let you charge while listening to music.

Yes but I have audiophile headphones that I used to be able to use on on my phone without needing a dongle which I lose and need to replace everytime I plug the headphones into something else Can u name a solution for this that doesn't involve replacing dongles constantly

Their responses address commenters directly, with an apple-esque "you are doing it wrong" attitude, instead of focusing on the actual subject matter - the 3.5mm jack itself. It's not really a discussion, it's much more comparable to victim blaming and trolling 🤷‍♂️. People are looking for a discussion, not an attack thinly veiled as a "solution". No point engaging IMO.

Regarding the actual topic though, I'm fully in agreement with you.

Here's why I don't feel as if bluetooth or dongles are an appropriate replacement: https://lemmy.one/comment/2684726

Since then I've also realised driver & codec support will slowly become a big issue as we move forward with dongles and bluetooth headphones, especially for people who prefer to keep their devices for longer

I personally don't care too much about the headphone jack (or lack thereof) when buying a new phone. That being said, for someone that doesn't care all that much about audio quality, Bluetooth headphones are just fine, and I prefer having a more water resistant phone (maybe I just bought into the marketing on that point, but it seems harder to waterproof a phone when there are holes in it, though the usb port is still there as a weak point so...)

I've just accepted that the lack of headphone jack is the new norm.

One day smartphones will be small chips implanted into our brains and you people will still complain that they don't have a headphone jack.

The headphone jack is an inexpensive small connector

It's still an unnecessary addition to modern smartphones that has an impact on design, etc..

offers far better quality than bluetooth does

And once again, you ignore what I wrote in my comment and try to turn this discussion into a discussion about "wires vs wireless/bluetooth" when it's obviously not..

As for the usb adapters, those are an extra point of failure and easy to misplace.

If using an adapter is too much of a hassle for you, get a wired USB headphone.. It's funny, you pretend that the only viable options are either bluetooth or an obsolete standard. We already have a new standard.. We had it for decades now.. And it's already built into and used with virtually any modern smartphone. But no, because you are used to your old standard, you demand that the old standard is still used in addition to the new standard..

If Sony can keep the jack on all their devices

This isn't about what we could and couldn't do.. We could go back to using cassettes if we wanted to, there just isn't a good enough reason to do it as far as most people are concerned..

Look at your comment, you can't give me a good reason for your argument. Your only argument is "but it's not that much of a hassle" and "everyone used it in the past so we should continue using it"..

You don’t like the jack? You can just keep using bluetooth.

I can just use bluetooth, or I can just use USB. So can you.

But can you give me one argument why we should, in addition to having both bluetooth and USB interfaces on our smartphones, have an additional plug using a standard from the 1950s that we can ONLY use for audio when we already have to have a USB plug that can also be used for audio?

Pfft, real audiophiles will use a DAC or a DAP

Although I'm not willing to carry something additional to my phone and earbuds to listen to music.

How is it obsolete, I understand a lot of people not needing it but all Audiophile products

In my opinion, it's obsolete or outdated standard when it comes to modern smartphones.

I’d rather have that instead of a additional adapter to connect my iems.

Of course adapters are not an optimal solution, but again, USB headphones are a thing.. I definitely see the argument for wired headphones over wireless headphones, but I don't see a reason why we should use 3.5 mm audio when we can simply use USB, which is an interface that is already the standard..

Funny you say this because I’m using one as I write this.

You using obsolete technology doesn't make it any less obsolete..

Because simply plugging in my headphones into the phone

Why do you keep trying to turn this discussion into a discussion of wireless vs wired? I'm not saying wires are obsolete, I'm saying the 3.5 mm standard is obsolete when it comes to modern smartphones because it's a standard from the literal 1950s (which is ultimately based on a standard from the 1800s)..

I don't have a 3.5 mm headphone jack, yet I can simply plug my wired headphones in using a wire too and just use it without bluetooth.. And I can use the same standard plug you too have in your phone already.. Why do we need an additional interface just for headphones when I can use the one that I already need to have in the first place?

I like my xperia 1iii. But, the main problem is fingerprint sensor is prone to break. But, it's ok.

I stand corrected

I can kind of see what you mean, I think, hahaha

I don't think FairPhone customers are exactly regular consumer population, and there was a strong backlash against removing the jack in fp4 (and introducing ewaste wireless buds). So either the people we buying the phones anyway, or the company has so many customers they don't give a shit.

Not like people really can these days. Options get even narrower if people start putting in settings they need like good software support and unlockable bootloader. Despite the many options there isn't really a phone that doesn't have some sort of concession to it despite the increasing price points.

My headphones (wired) cost more than a smartphone and I expect my handheld device to be compatible with them. I'll rule out buying models based on this feature.

Just social polarization. For every obnoxious vegan trying to convert their peers you'll have an obnoxious omnivore trying to annoy a vegan.

I'm not doubting you, just curious on the main use case

I guess I worded it wrong. The time to protest was ages ago and it's too late now to convince any of the tech corps to change so good luck finding a phone in 2023 with a headphone jack. We lost.

Essential for what? Bluetooth used to be shit, but I've had very few issues with recent devices.

No, they are not essential.. And this isn't a discussion about wireless vs wired earbuds.. USB headphones/earphones are a thing, the fact that you don't like wireless is not an excuse to demand that an ancient and obsolete standard should be reinstated when you have plenty of options to use wired devices without a 3.5 mm headphone jack..

My only pair of earbuds have a wire. The connector is usb-c and my phone has a jack. So I don't even use the jack now

3.5 headphones that have volume controls and a pause/hang up button can't seem to last a year. I tried 2 and they both lasted 3 months

Cut to black & white footage of a blonde suburban mom with her hand stuck inside a headphone jack. "Does THIS ever happen to you?"

Because they can remove a small 10 cent component and sell you disposable 200€ headphones wich will be e-waste in 2 years, just look at how many more features the note 9 and 8 have compared to the s23 ultra, while the latter costs double