JBP has got u bro

Stuff like this is why I will never understand people following him. Like, I get it. It's the bigotry. And when it comes to that, nothing else matters. I understand it on paper.

But at the same time... why? When he's constantly wrong, or when they have to constantly lie about the things he says, why keep listening to him? Why are they like this?

Don't forget the time he wanted to quit benzos to show how masculine he was. His doctors wanted to taper him down so his brain didn't fry (benzo addiction alters brain chemistry and withdrawal can seriously screw you up or kill you if you stop), but trying to taper off over several years wasn't manly and powerful. So he flew to Russia and got a few potentially sketchy doctors to put him in a medical coma for a month, and that's part of why he's so fucked up now.

Oh, or the part where his daughter convinced him to only ever eat red meat, and literally nothing else.

I can only assume he played a bit too much Assassin's Creed before coming up with that one.

Richard Dawkins has a pretty fun comment about that https://www.youtube.com/shorts/NvzMJqkZV74

Lobster Peterson: "The way these snakes are drawn in resemblance to the structure of DNA, it is evident that ancient civilizations were familiar with the concept of DNA."

Bro, they fucking

Joke's on you. The crazy hair guy explained that ancient aliens taught Egyptians how to pyramid dna. Pwned!

I love that channel. It's one of the best channels I've discovered all year. A perfect balance of entertainment with deep dives into current hot topics. It's like John Oliver but triple the length and even more sarcasm.

Really? He's on the "Ancient Super Humans were Super Geniuses!" pack? I expected him to have a higher level of research than fucking Spirit Science, but naw.

Hell even if they had ladder double helixes the most reasonable explanation would be a laborer did some psychedelics and either blew a priest’s mind with it or decided to incorporate the thing that blew their mind into some detailed work. It’s not difficult structure to imagine while tripping and ancient people sure did trip from time to time.

In general, assume ancient people were on drugs before you assume ancient people had knowledge of the complex structures they didn’t have the tools to observe.

Yup, to cure benzo habit.

And then he had to do physical therapy afterwards for months to recover from the medically induced coma that only Russia allows since the rest of the world doesn’t allow the procedure since it isn’t backed by any science.

That guy.

It's a lot like how people wonder how others fall for scam calls and emails when they look and sound so obviously like bullshit, you're not the target audience if you see through it.

goes out to adopt 1,000 young men

Countless young men do find him persuasive. They feel abandoned by everyone else and there is this man who comes along and convinces them he knows "the way". Talking about how "unconvincing" his arguments are won't stop this from happening.

There really isn't a way to stop this from happening, short of a complete shake up of American culture and government. The only reason young men gravitate towards JP is because he is telling them what they want to hear.

For the first time in American society, young white men with degrees are no longer guaranteed the middle class life they have always been told they deserve. Instead of realizing that that has been the status quo for literally every other person in the country, and that the system is inherently corrupt......

They are told that they should feel angry, they are told they need to fight to maintain the status quo and domination of power. Jordan Peterson isn't combating the emotional abandoment of men, he's stoking it. His only care is to maintain the social norms racial and sexual supremacy.

Also...... I don't buy that young men have been emotionally abandoned, at least not moreso than any other time in history. Just compared to 30 years ago when I was a kid, men now a days have a plethora of ways to connecting to people, or seeking help.

I suggest FD signifier's video as a starting point to familiarize with the issues.

Being 16 is the best excuse you could have for believing anything that cretin says. You're good bro.

It's understandable - back in the day, he had some reasonable points and an academic veneer. If course, what he was saying tended to have a strong bias, and didn't stand up to scrutiny, but it's hard to fault a 16 year old looking for guidance for falling for it. Hindsight is 20 20 - particularly when the negative tendencies ratcheted up rapidly over time.

Since his Russian benzo coma (remember, kids - clean your room and don't criticise others or systemic issues unless your life is perfect... pay no attention to my crippling addiction as I peddle that advice), things took a hard turn. I honestly think he suffered non-trivial brain damage. He's far more erratic, bursts into tears at the drop of a hat (while trying to sell "traditional" masculinity, his takes have lost their academic veneer and are self-evidently stupid. There's a reason he may be stripped of his accreditation.

TL;DR: Peterson went from being a pseudo-intellectual preacher to a lolcow, and (to me) the benzo coma seems to have been the catalyst for that shift.

I'm still pissed that because he badly quotes and misinterprets Jung all the time, people assume Jung is bullshit by association.

I didn't believe him, I believed the positive messages he send and implanted. I don't care about him nowadays, but I also don't regret internalizing certain stuff he preached. It wasn't totally bullshit of what he said, until a point where he completely drifted off.

Thankfully I stopped watching any of his stuff quite a while before that happened, so I dodged this whole mess and only saw the burning ship wrack from the distance. I understand the hard feelings of others who are more involved in this topic though.

To agree, that something someone said, was correct, isn't a bad thing. Even if the stuff that follows is off the mark.

To regret that, would also mean regretting failure, but without failure there's no progress.

I did what I did for everything, and I took it with a grain of salt. This had the unfortunate side effect of just not following others and keeping up with the latest trends. Oh well, I feel happier than ever before

How did you steal my alt account? I thought I was the only dipshit on here.

Realistically, half the economy runs essentially on that.

Fashion, large parts of tech (Facebook, Tinder, Pornhub,...), entertainment, ...

It's so weird for me that he seemed surprised that benzos are, in fact, highly addictive with severe withdraw symptoms. Isn't he a psychologist and potentially someone who is allowed to prescribe such drugs?

Wasn't it benzos? They are used to treat anxiety.

I think this is right. I always thought of him (when I thought of him at all) as a mostly apolitical self-help guy, then I noticed that he'd become a kind of villain for the left so I looked into it and he really does seem to have gone off the rails at some point.

There's some kind of radicalizing feedback cycle at work with guys like Peterson --to name only one prominent example-- and I'm not sure that it's simply that they were always assholes to begin with. You see a similar dynamic with Elon Musk; it's almost like they take personal offense at any criticism and instead of thinking about it, they just double down.

Yup as an avid TVO watcher he still has a very seminal discussion on "the meaning of man" that I highly recommend to this day.

https://youtu.be/7uYengUXFG0?si=OP_EJrTpYB9EiFFT

The problem as I see it is the kids ain't alright and men in particular are struggling with this shifting dynamic in the world. He saw it, as do many of us, but Jesus Christ did he fly off the rails once the pronoun debate started.

He’s been oppressed by the soviet propaganda posters he hangs inside his house. You can’t just take those things down! You must remember!

Transphobia reliably causes brainrot. It's weird how much faster and harder the effect seems to be relative to other bigotries, but look at Graham Linehan and how he burned his life to the ground.

Yes, around a decade (or a bit more) ago I also found him interesting, based on a few short youtube videos or things I’ve read. Was never a fan, but as some other comments mentioned, young men were/are looking for these types of belonging and guidance.

Then I of course grew up, formed my own opinions of the world, and the same time he went further and further to the unhinged side, so yi can’t take him seriously anymore.

He was so much better 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘴𝘬 𝘰𝘧𝘧.

Nah mate, this now is who he always was.

Most of his fans have never really read his more academic works (like the one with the grandma sex dream). So, I guess they like his vibe. But his vibe is weepy alcoholic. What's so great about that?

I recently had a fairly high fever and became pretty emotional over absolutely mundane shit. JBP talks and acts like has a brain damaging fever every day of his life.

I don't know whether he recognizes it but 20 something disenfranchised dudes are uniquely subsceptible to aphorisms without context and if there's one thing JBP does well it's that

Actual real world Guy Maddin character

Weepy alcoholic is coded tragically cognoscent in America.

There's only one weepy alcoholic I'll stan and it's

Short answer: yes.

Long answer: yyyyeeeeeeessssssss

There are great people, the top Spot for me is healthy gamer gg.

F D is peak as well.

There are a lot of people, but non of them have the quick and simple solution that attracted lost boys and men.

The grift of giving some free advice that may or may not work, to get them hooked so you can sell bad advice that when it doesn't work they say it didn't because they didn't believe enough or try enough and there is yet another book for them to buy which then locks these people into a spiral of buying only their advice....

Is such a long running and stupid grift for people to still be falling for this strongly.

We are right back around to people selling blank books for you the reader to fill out with the great plan that's gonna work. But people feel directionless and scared of the future so idiots will seek comfort anywhere they can.

I’m usually up to date on the field of grifters. (understanding dipshits is a specialty of mine) but I’m not sure who john peanutbutter is supposed to be. Can anyone translate?

A lack of visible positive role models is a big part of it. When nobody else wants to engage with isolated and directionless young white men, people like Peterson will fill the vacuum. Couple that with amoral algorithms of social media generating engagement at any cost, and they soon have an audience.

Ensuring everyone has opportunities and and a sense of inclusion would go a lot further than just trying to teach everyone to recognise false shepherds. That's just treating the symptom and not the cause, and would likely end up with them falling prey to another wolf with a better sheepskin.

I think it's partly they see a little bit of themselves in him, so it's like a "I'm you but better so listen to me" thing. But it's also because she focuses on the Canadian government, which is really easy to make fun of and ridicule policy wise as of late. So these men see him "owning" the Liberal Canadian government for their many bad policies and they idolize him.

Tell me one thing he says (other than his religious takes or takes on trans) that you disagree with. I am curious why people would be against his statements as his 'clean your room' style is very general

I also believe nobody knows what he teaches and likes to circlejerk against him

it's really annoying because personal growth is not even remotely relevant to politics. The left can't "make you a man" because that's something you do on your own. It implies a specific set of ideas about maturity, relationships, and various other things which are your own problem. The right wants to fit you into the hierarchy, so they'll make you a certain thing to fit. We don't, so it's your job to figure out if you want to be a man or a woman or something else, and what it means to reach that. We don't give leftist dating advice because it doesn't make sense, we're not writing a script for you to follow. Just respect potential partners and maybe one will become a partner you respect. Whether you start a family or find someone isn't our political project because we don't want to make you pump out kids for the factories that obey authority.

The gurus normal people trust have this pesky tendency to have advanced degrees and call themselves things like "doctors" and "therapists" as if either is better than being screamed at by a car salesman in a room full of sweaty divorces.

Whatever your opinion on it is, the fact is that young guys are lost to right wing patriarchs. And the left doesn't really want to outcompete the right for their attention, because the left knows they can't outcompete the right on this without abandoning some highly treasured principles.

Yeah, the lifestyle coach is an inherently evil breed. Unhappy young people don't need a talking head to tell them to buy the book and listen to the podcast, they need friends. Even just a discord where you can get relationship advice from people who have actually been in a healthy relationship is way more valuable.

The closest the Left has to a guru is the Spirit Science guy (He's surprisingly progressive for someone who thinks jews are from space), and I still can't recommend that in good concious unless you need a short cartoon to explain a supernatural concept. The show's decent on Spirituality, it's tying it to Science that causes the problems...

It's almost like Religion and Science are entirely different concepts exploring different ideas, and shouldn't be merged together into one unified force anymore than my keyboard and my dresser!

You need to find yourself, you try to let someone else find you for you and you're inviting trouble.

Something something broken clocks.

"Clean your room, bucko" is advice many people's moms tried to give them but too many of them had to hear it from a cryptofascist crank LARPing as the world's father figure before they listened to it.

I don't know if it's a new trend or something, but lots of people have something interesting to say, and say lots of hogwash besides and everyone gobbles it all up including the hogwash. You don't have to go all in when reading someone's work. For example, I read Freud and it was quite interesting. Most of it was horseshit (although historically interesting), but he still made the point that we don't do all that we do consciously , which was hugely important.

Ideas and memes (in the original sense) are there to be examined and weighed against one another, not followed blindly.

So Petersen (I'm not really sure who that is), why not, he might have some salient points, even though he seems to be a controversial figure, apparently rightly so.

You're lucky you can downvote it lol

Although I'm hoping to find a lobster taking the bait when I scroll downthread in a moment here so it might be good for comedy at least

JP fan spotted

Oh God. He's on his supervillain arc (this isn't even his final suit).

But don't try to get into art school! That'll end bad.

Just show them the "up yours woke moralists (...) I'd rather die than delete my tweet" video.

If that's not enough to out him as a lolcow, whose brain was damaged by the Russian coma that was induced to get him past his benzo addiction (while he was peddling self-help books telling people not to criticise external issues until their house is in order), there's little hope for whoever you're talking to.

The problem with him and people like him is that they start off with truth, and then slowly devolve into a conclusion they drew from that kernel of truth and before you know it they're operating completely on their conclusions and personal ideas instead of the actual data they began with. Teaching as if their conclusions are just as valid.

It's a similar strategy to how most religious leaders operate, when giving a sermon. They read the text and then change its meaning to whatever fits their narrative and interpretation best, then they spend the next hour preaching their ideas with the root authority of the audience largely unmentioned after that.

He laces practical advice with misogynistic and bigoted undertones. He tells people to adhere to the "natural order" and you shouldn't try to improve the world but only strive to improve yourself and be a better worker bee. He stopped practicing psychology and teaching it because what is taught in psychology doesn't agree with his political views. Recently he has chosen to be a right-wing voice for the daily wire to personally profit off of airing his grievances with society at large. He calls his fellow colleagues in his profession "butchers" for giving gender affirming care and he might lose his license because he is maligning the profession he himself was a part of. He seems that he would rather nuke his credentials to further his career as a pundit. He is a deeply disturbed man that has yet to get his house in order lecturing young people, mostly men, about what it means to be a productive member of society.

Who's that