The Fediverse Only Makes Time for Real Artists
The Fediverse Only Makes Time for Real Artists

The Fediverse Only Makes Time for Real Artists

I'm a beginner at drawing, but I'd wager people would choose that over AI.
Right?
I've got people praising my poorly drawn graphs, of all things. 5min stuff like this:
So yes, odds are they'll like your drawings better over mass produced AI slop.
I understood this and now my back hurts!
you've inspired me to make my own pie chart about a parody for badgers lol
How I read the image:
In the song, Badger is a monotone repetition, hence being the X axis. When Mushroom comes in, it pitches up, hence being the Y axis. Then, when Snake comes in it fluctuates in pitch with an overall rise.
The humor is clever enough on its own, but the roughly sketched chart with clipart sells the fact that the joke is in the delivery and being sent quickly without being overly refined to the point that it looks polished. The rough rounding of the background makes it even more funny for me, because it was like an attempt was made.
Peak artistic humor by looking like an idea was thrown together to get the joke out as fast as possible. Maybe it was quick, maybe it took time to do for the end result, but the look comes through.
Perfection
One quickly learns that drawings don't have to be detailed or experienced to be appreciated. Sure, it absolutely helps, learn what techniques make art more beautiful so you can punch above your weight, but I've received compliments from quick minimal doodles just by having fun with it.
I love this!
Exactly. I'd taoe funny concept crudely drawn stick figures over AI slop
I’d rather see absolutely nothing instead of AI
You want someone to look at your AI art? Simple. Just make an LLM look at it. If AI produces it, AI can be the one that has to look at it.
In the beginning, people used simple programs like ms paint with a mouse to draw. I use my phone's editor to draw stuff. Have a cat
Without the ears and with broad paws, it nicely doubles as a sea lion.
Yes
If it's funny enough, the art is secondary. If the at is perfect, the joke still needs to be at least passable.
Just because it's human made, doesn't mean it's automatically good.
Sometimes the bad art becomes its own part of the joke (xkcd).
Man, I suuuuck at drawing and painting. But (up until the last couple weeks I guess) I've been making and posting my shitty ass, MS Paintesque paintings and collages. Why?
Because you and I are humans and creative expression is our fucking right.
Because you don't get better at anything unless you keep doing it.
Because people, at least here, prefer a technically shitty artistic effort to a better looking image made by a insanely thirsty software architecture owned by greedy technocrats.
Because fuck it, we can.
Post those drawings homie.
I consider myself to be alright by hobbyist standards, at least, but here's a watercolor and watercolor crayon painting of a pair of bunnies skating on a frozen pond at night.
And yeah, I kinda love watercolor crayons as a medium, at least in combination with watercolors, and I'm a newbie to watercolor crayons.
Plus, here's an acrylic painting of a mouse building a snowman at night for a bonus pic, and yeah, I know the snow and mouse are supposed to be white, but I gave that whole scene a pink/purple tint for the sake of cuteness.
Also, I very, very much have a preference for traditional media over digital tools mainly because traditional media have always been fun for me to play with, painting in particular I tend to get lost in for hours at a time.
Finally, I'm adding a wax crayon drawing to this post because why not, but here's a wax crayon drawing of Pichu and Dedenne building a snowman, and I'll stop here before this post gets too spammy. And just like with the mouse painting above, I gave this scene a pink/purple tint because that's cute, also, wax crayons are one of my fave drawing media currently alongside oil pastels and chalk in any order.
This energy is peak! 💯
Uh... Where, exactly?
I was a beginner until I tried this one weird trick: Draw an orgy scene with Sonichu, Shrek, Goku, and Spider-man.
You are welcome in advance.
Hell yes. I would rather watch, read and listen to messy outsider art for hours and hours than consume the most polished of artificial material. I don't care how good it looks, how good it sounds, how good whatever. If it's not made by a person it means nothing to me.
EDIT: Since I brought it up... John Frusciante's first couple of albums. So weird yet so good.
One would hope, but most people prefer convenience over creation and sadly GenAI, for as much of a ripoff as it is, fills that niche for those people, It shouldn't, I don't support that in the slightest (seriously, if you want fast, easy art, just play with construction paper cutouts, that's still worlds better than typing in a prompt to get something, and it's also kinda fun on its own merits), and I hate GenAI with a passion, but it's what it is.
That said, you can still resist it by just continuing to handmake stuff like you've probably been doing since you could hold a crayon and make marks with it.
After the first 100 or so AI images I saw, the novelty of "wow this is technically possible" wore off and now I kind of hate anything generated by ai even if it looks good (which it usually doesn't).
You know why I hate it even more now?
Because unaware people have started using it to generate images of our loved ones, houses, etc.
I CAN'T EVEN FUCKING TRUST A PHOTO OF MY NEPHEWS ANYMORE.
I HATE that. If my friends, family and home aren't refuges against that AI shit, then what the fuck is?!
Parents are going to go for years, then one day to their horror realize that they don't have any actual pictures of their children.
Same here. AI slop has turned me (and my brother) off of YouTube shorts. Like 80-90% of the content is AI, and you have to play detective for most of them (to find out it's AI generated)
YT in general is increasingly becoming scam central in terms of AI-generated content.
I was just trying to research some games on YouTube, and a disgusting amount of videos are ai generated 🤮
That's assuming OP tags it as AI, though. I don't have that much faith in the people who would spread AI slop in the first place. It's a nice feature, and I'm not shitting on it, but it's less impressive to me once I factor in the human equation.
Or can mods apply the "AI" tag to it? I still need to at least try Piefed.
Admins can apply an AI tag to communities (including remote ones on Lemmy instances) and then all the posts in those communities automatically get the AI tag. Same as NSFW.
I mean admins can label it in Lemmy too. But we just call it "ban" :P
I haven't used it but I have seen piefed peeps talking about it being able to tag it as mods.
In addition to that, there is a feature now (available only to mods) which attempts to automatically determine if a user is posting human or AI content. I don't know what criteria it is using, but the goal seems to be to aid mods in their determination beyond just looking through all their content individually.
So like NSFW (where it also adds NSFL) and bots, PieFed is now turning its sights to go hard after AI slop that is not labeled as such.
I was trying to figure out how this works.
I work in marketing. My job hires a lot of contractors whose goal is to post garbage all over the internet to shit on our competitors, and promote the company. Real humans who post on Reddit in a specific shadowy way.
I have no doubt in my mind that they use AI.
@VitoRobles how do you sleep at night?
Great policy.
I only hope mods can keep up as the deluge washes in. Tons of brand new accounts seem to love spamming channels with slop, then go dead once they've been banned across enough instances
We're going to need a Butlerian jihad at the rate this is going.
James Cameron should have directed the Dune prequels
The lack of karma also does wonders in this. It means people sharing AI-generated content will do it when they genuinely think others will enjoy it, so it's only a handful of pictures that turned out good. They won't for example mass produce them to farm upvotes here.
EDIT: I know sunshine is talking about a PieFed feature, and what I'm saying applies to Lemmy and Piefed. Point still stands, no karma = no reason to farm karma.
Though exactly like NSFW/NSFL and bot posts (which people avoid so replying can feel like a honeypot experience where a conversation was invited but unlikely to be fruitful, since even the poster themselves will never read your message), it's not only the item itself but rather the lack of proper labeling. AI slop could arguably, theoretically, for some people (I'm trying to frame this so as to lessen the chances of being flamed here!) be enjoyable, but cannot be acceptable in the wider community unless properly labeled. This "restriction" enables us to be more fully free to have our own enjoyment of this shared space.
Edit: for context, I had not even gotten to the existing flame war down below your comment yet, but somehow I knew it was coming! The Threadiverse seems to love to hate on AI almost as much as Windows and tankies!:-P (and ironically all for the same underlying reason: because consent should matter, even/especially when others say differently)
because consent should matter, even/especially when others say differently
Bingo. And IMO this feature should be side-ported to Lemmy, because that consent.
GenAI is somehow more blatant about ripping people off than EL James of all people was when she 'wrote' Fifty Shades in airquotes.
At least she had to change some things around in her godawful recycled fanfic to keep from getting sued for copyright, GenAI doesn't even do that much and that's somehow viewed as acceptable.
Oh, and EL James only ripped off one person with her trash, GenAI blatantly and shamelessly rips off everyone.
Hold up, I always thought James wrote the shitty fanfic, then rewrote so it wasn't a Twilight thing anymore. Curious as to the actual story.
Fifty Shades started out as a shitty Twilight fanfic (and I use that term loosely here), rather unfortunately named, Master of the Universe, while EL James was going under 'Snowqueens Icedragon,' and she changed some things around before publishing to prevent from getting sued for copyright.
(I use the term 'fanfic' loosely because she pretty much just ripped off Twilight, but replaced vampire references with badly-misinterpreted BDSM references)
I put more effort and care into my Pokemon fanart than EL James put into her shitty Twilight fanfic.
No, but you're on the money with your assumption, EL James writing the shitty fanfic, and then changing it to remove Twilight references before publishing is pretty much the actual story.
People do not respect artists and with the internet and digital art making it the easiest time in human history to get art, people feel entitled to art. They don't respect the time and effort that artists put into creating something and don't think that their skills are worth paying for, even when they're demanding that they produce content for them.
In this regard, GenAI has become a real plague because the kinds of people who would make great middle managers - taking credit for the effort of others - now have access to the skill required to make "good art" without having to pay for nor respect the labor required. GenAI lets your average person treat artists the way that corporations treat their employees.
The best and most basic way to fight that, at least as a hobbyist, is to just keep handmaking stuff like you've always done before GenAI became a blight on the creative world, that way you'll at least hold the line on some metric, plus making stuff is still fun, particularly with traditional media, (paints, crayons, etc, whatever your jam is) regardless.
Block ai content posters. Starve them and they stop
I can't wait until the free rides end and they finally understand how much their slop actually costs.
may i join?
I will not thirst for the laughing buff guys, I will not thirst for the laughing buff guys, I will not thirst for the laughing buff guys...
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i should try piefed
Is there a client? Or does everyone just use the webapp?
I wouldn't call anything I've ever seen on lemmy art. Maybe like2 the photos of actual art.
Never seen someone tell on themselves like this so hard
There are dedicated communities where people post their art?
How many art communities do you follow?
Real question: what do you call art?
I've seen plenty of art here. Subjective quality/technical prowess certainly varies, but art nonetheless.
I've seen lots of art on here.
seen lots of jokes too...
This place loves AI. Constantly tossed in my feed.
You're an AI so that's not a problem for you, right?
Username did ask for that 😉
No, I said call me an AI, not that I am one.
Like nearly everything else, there's a gray area. We don't need to reject generative AI images outright, although, that's the easiest path for lazy people--to see everything as black or white.
On Christmas, I posted an AI photorealistic image of Bruce Willis and Alan Rickman dressed in pajamas in front of a Christmas tree arguing over a Lego Nakatomi Plaza kit. It's funny, and it doesn't hurt anyone. I think that's an acceptable use of generative AI images.
EDIT:
There's no gray area about the resource cost and contribution to climate change being driven by gen AI though, youre just trying to justify it.
People forget the left sensationalizes things as much as the right does.
A lot of them show datacenter energy use for AI without comparing them to other other workloads. If you're worried about datacenter energy use, I sure hope you don't download any apps or steam any music/video.
https://andymasley.substack.com/p/individual-ai-use-is-not-bad-for
I do think you're raising valid concerns regarding resource consumption + climate change. However:
youre just trying to justify it.
Learn to phrase things without disingenuously putting words into the others' mouths dammit. This is not Reddit, behave like a decent person instead of a redditor. Nothing the other user said can be even remotely interpreted as "the energy cost is justified", in fact they didn't even talk about resource consumption.
I would say gen AI is much more resource friendly than hiring artists to do the same
Generative ai is just a tool for creating text and images. Not everything created using is art, just like not every piece of text written by a human or an bunch of pixels drawn in photoshop is art. What matters is intention of the author, the effort put in and whether other people perceive it as art.
It silly to call everything created by ai as art, but not because of the tool used. Most of it is not art simply because it was not created for that purpose, it is there for pure silly entertainment.
It is equally silly to vehemently hate it if the creator does not even claim it's art.
AI use is driving up energy costs and worsening pollution and global warming . Is that a good enough reason to vehemently hate it?
doesn't hurt anyone
Yeah your one image that one time didn't necessarily hurt anyone but climate change getting kicked up a notch from the absurd amounts of carbon generated by millions of those kinds of images absolutely will literally kill and destroy lives.
AI haters on Lemmy are good entertainment. Imagine adults getting mad because they discover what tool a meme was made with. Half the time they can't even tell.
Most AI generated things is just shit, especially to look at, if you can't recognize 99% of AI generated images then there is a problem tbh.
Thought it's real that sometimes people exaggerate and hate the use of AI for everthing when there are clearly some good uses.
Most AI generated stuff is shit. But most AI generated stuff that's been widely circulated has been handpicked to not be shit, and are generally not recognisable as such.
people can't tell when I spit onetheir food… I guess that means it's perfectly fine for them to eat spit, right?… good to know
"I think it's funny that people are upset about a new technology which will 1000% have incredibly destructive effects on society"
Congratulations on being whatever that makes you? It's not good.