S.F. bakery won't serve cops, police union claims. Store says it's about the guns, not the cops

Veterans can’t bring guns wherever they want either. There’s signs on every hospital in Ohio.

Put down the pipe, son.

They’re not banning veterans though, right? Just guns. Unless veterans are literally guns, but I know plenty of vets that don’t want open carry or unrestricted guns, so I’d say vets aren’t actually guns, and therefore aren’t restricted by this business’s policy.

I do arithmetic on my fingers. :(

To be fair, SCOTUS says they don't have to protect anyone.

Except it's a job not an innate, unchangeable characteristic... I honestly can't tell if you're serious or not.

So are pedophiles, what's your point?

My job that I chose is a minority of the population too, where is my special treatment?

That's not how it works. They're not an oppressed minority, they're the oppressive tool of the political and economic elite.

I think you may have misunderstood my post.

A few years ago conservatives got their back up because a bakery refused to serve gay people and reasonable people found that to be wrong.

Conservatives argued that a business has the right to choose who they serve without government interference. And this was held up in court.

Therefore those same people complaining about another bakery not serving the police is the same thing. But now the shoe is on the other foot and they are crying foul.

My post was meant to point out yet another example of hypocrisy from conservatives.

That just makes the hypocrisy even worse!

Joke incoming: gay community already accepted cops as their kind.

Or is it? Or did they?

Yeah, we're so damn scary!

• Sincerely, leftist pacifist

What happened to the supreme court cases that said it's ok to discriminate against protected classes as long as it just so happens to be "against your religion"

Unfortunately that isn't true. Businesses have a right to refuse service for a wide variety of reasons. Like you said though those protected classes are illegal to discriminate against.

That is why you can have rules, like "no shirt no shoes no service". So in this case it is if you bring a gun you will be asked to leave.

Although now if that store was ever a victim of a robbery I would bet the response time is very slow....

Also the distinction is "no uniforms, no guns" off duty police are still served. It's actually a little closer to "no shoes, no shirt, no service".

As listed in the article some of the employees and regular customers come from war-torn places or have histories of traumatic interactions with police. Hence the ban comes from a place of limiting PTSD reactions.

Right.. why do they have to exist in public.. /s 🧐🤔😭

this is what being conservative is all about. There must be in-groups whom the law protects but does not bind, alongside out-groups whom the law binds but does not protect.

So then the Masterpiece Cake Shop ruling, maybe.

That one might apply better. Same outcome.

It's hard for me to judge them individually cop to cop because literally EVERY.SINGLE.ENCOUNTER I have EVER had with a cop has been a negative experience at best. Every single one. I'm not going to hate on you or call you fascist. Just pointing out it's like saying I've never met THIS wasp before, maybe I shouldn't judge it unless it stings me! Then surprise motherfucker you got stung, whodathunkit.

even if a cop is on a power trip if you ask them they will help you

Fucking bullshit, sorry but not sorry, but you're delusional man. And I'm a 40yo professional white guy in the suburbs! My god, I can't even imagine being black from the hood.

You know every time I've had something stolen and filed a police report I have not even once had my stolen shit returned. They don't even call back after weeks to say "hey we didn't care enough to follow any leads, good luck".

And yet they take every fucking chance they can to write my as many moving violations as possible, whether or not they apply.

The police don't serve the people, never have.

Even if a cop is on a power trip if you ask them they will help you.

I was with you until about here. I've seen cops shoo away people in need rather than even deign to give directions. I would say the majority I've seen have been very unhelpful and the encounters that have been nice or cordial have been the extreme minority. It's like their default is power trip mode.

I work in biblical service and the majority of cops are really decent people who are trying to help.

Your inability to see your selection bias and account for it (while claiming to do just that) is beyond staggering.

Like... you're saying the words, but then your overall takeaway proves that despite what you're saying, you have no concept of reality beyond your own lived experience and world view.

I'm not in the ACAB/Defund camp either by any means, but you should either learn to truly acknowledge your bias (and not just pay it lip service), or just fucking own it and stop pretending to have a nuanced and enlightened opinion.

Like...don't try to make yourself sound like you're speaking from any sort of well reasoned position that accounts for the limitations of personal experience and acknowledges the experience of others. Just say, "Hey, the vast majority of cops I've interacted with, I've had no problem with. Therefore I think most cops everywhere are decent people and the tiny fraction that aren't are just an unfortunate and unavoidable, but ultimately acceptable exception that is worth it in exchange for the services police forces as a whole provide for society."

Because that's literally what you're saying.

You're a white guy working and interacting with these cops in a religiously charged setting that already puts you in familiar and friendly territory with them in terms of ideology, race, and gender. These are three huge factors that are all coloring the interaction, and given the closely intertwined threads of American right wing politics with police, religion, race, and gender, every single interaction you've had with them benefits from being on their side in all the major categories that matter. With that frame of reference, you cannot possibly (at least while maintaining intellectual honesty) use your own personal experience as being at all broadly representative of that of the average person in the general public.

It's like showing up to game day in the home team's city wearing the home team's colors and singing the home team's fight song...and then the next day when you see a story about how many of those fans you met were harassing and assaulting fans of the other team, your response is, "Well I interacted with dozens of those fans and they were all really nice to me. Since I have real experience with them, that proves that they're nice people who would never do those bad things. Must have just been 1% of bad apples. But overall, there's no problem with bad fans since they were all nice to me."

How many of the "good cops" turn in the bad cops? Oh none you say..... Well you might want to do a recount of good cops then.

I work in biblical service

Oh. Ok. Anyway, moving on.

In my opinion the biggest problem w the police isn’t the officers it’s the training and culture.

That's sorta the point that people generally have issues with cops dude. It's the overall culture of shielding of each other from consequences, stoking a "everyone is your enemy"/warrior mentality among officers, bad or lack of training leading to unneeded violent escalation etc.

It's been police departments dragging their heels and throwing tantrums on addressing these issues that have what caused people's dislike of them to grow.

A good officer will have no problem respecting a bakery's no-firearms policy.

It's fine to have a different opinion and you shouldn't be downvoted. If you've had that experience of them it's perfectly valid. There's just a lot of cops who are secret white supremacists who get outed routinely and that's genuinely scary. Cops should get a lot more education than they do in the US.

my opinion is this (rejecting cops) will only make things worse.

Giving them the benefit of the doubt because if you don't they will punish you isn't really giving them the benefit of the doubt, it is a backhanded acknowledgement that if they are not collectively appeased and given unwarranted grace, they will behave badly.

That's not an argument that they're not bullies, it sounds like an acknowledgement that they're bullies and it would be better to appease them

Congratulations, you found the joke behind me choosing such a specific wording.

Here is a fun fact, they actually ruled that it is constitutional for a police officer to have IQ requirements in hiring out of concern that someone who did not meet the requirement would not obey orders or may have questions about certain orders.

This sounds reasonable except I'm not talking about the IQ being too low, I'm talking about the IQ being too high, some departments will actually limit people from being police officers if they test too high on an aptitude test.

Assuming you're speaking from loved experience and not what you heard on Fox News, what do the cops actually do about any of that? They might mosey along and murder the homeless person eventually but they're not gonna stop someone from smashing your window. Most likely case is they just won't respond at all.

CCW is legal with a license.

You can conceal carry while naked; it's just unwise and uncomfortable.

Friends of cops can get CCW licenses tho.

They're cops, you'll be lucky to fit a single doughnut.

Cops are massively shitty.

I mean, maybe it's just me but I don't like to make sweeping statements about large groups of people. I get it's the thing to do, shit on cops, but all it does is make the few good ones callus and bitter and turn bad. I've seen this with a friend on the force first hand. Most seem like asses TBH but mindsets like this turn the rest who are good shitty too. They feel like everyone hates them but the other asshole cops, so guess what they become...

Well, if you are not from America you can look at Russian police, that beats protesting students, pregnant mothers and kills jogging programmers. And all of this in the Moscow, I'm not even saying what happens in regions.

"Just hand your service weapon over to me, officer, and you can head right in. That will be one dollarbuck."

I'm sure police would be very comfortable giving their gun to a stranger for money instead of putting it in their trunk.

"Sorry Madam/Sir, I assume you have a weapon on your person. That is against our policy. We cannot serve you. Please leave the premises."

Sure I did...then expanded on what they are doing, joking that they have the right to limit their customer base, and the $ it brings if they choose to. Doesn't sound like good business to me, but hey, their choice.

ending qualified immunity would do wonders for accountability IMO.

control your dog.

I mean any time you'd normally call the police. A lot of the ACAB people talk a big game until they are faced with a situation where normal people would call the police for help. Personally, I'm all for personal protection. Train yourself and learn how to use self defence and firearms. Don't put yourself in sketchy situations. of course that's not always possible, but thats why you train. for that one in a million time.

agree.

99% of military walking around are not armed, in fact it would be particularly odd to see anyone but military police walking around armed. Like to the point if I saw that I'd call the military police. Especially off base.

I'm military and I support the decision to not serve us in uniform. I think it's probably a little misguided since most of us are office drones same as anyone else, but it's his store and I wasn't born in the military, it was my choice* to join.

*I wanted healthcare and to pay for college.

Yup. That's basically what I was trying to say.

They won't do nothing, that's slander.

They'll shoot your dog while they're already in the neighbourhood, and that is objectively something.

They won't leave people to die! That would be terrible! They'll just shoot the criminals, the victims, a few bystanders and any dogs they happen to see on the way.

They're not allowed to do that while on duty.

EDIT: For those down voting, to be clear I don't disagree with the sentiment, just providing facts to a comment.