Movie Review

It was lack of common direction through the trilogy. JJ set up his signature mystery boxes in the first movie, only for Rian to ignore those and leave nothing to work with for the next one.

I believe the reason why Palpatine somehow returned was because Rian killed off Snoke, and they really needed some big baddie Kylo and Rey could team up against so Kylo could have his redemption arc.

The problem isn’t female leads, it’ trash-tier writing.

Worst part about the sequels was the compulsive need to regurgitate elements of the prior series.

• Empire is back, kids!
• Death Star Plus
• And we're back on Tantoine again
• Harrison Ford again
• Getting killed by Discount Darth Vader to buy time to escape the Knock Off Death Star
• Only a direct hit on the main loud farting sounds

There's so much lore from the books and the games and the toys and the cutting room floor of the original movies. And they had a ton of good ideas at the outset. A storm trooper who defects? A six foot tall super trooper in mirror armor? A Sith Lord who isn't stoic and morose, but hot headed and self-destructive? These are cool good ideas!

Shame they got drowned out in Disney fueled nostalgia.

A thousand times this. People hate bad female actors not because they are female but because they are bad actors.

Kal el no

Or having a beloved character die off screen

The other problem is that there were 2 death stars in the original trilogy and another one in the sequels. Like, think of something new, will you?

South park has an entire season about this. They basically tried to make the new Star Wars as nostalgic as possible to people who liked the original trilogy.

Wait you mean rebels are gone and the empire too? Let’s do resistance vs first order then. Let’s make a planet that’s almost the same as tatooine. A villain that’s almost the same as Vader, with a similar ending. And the list goes on. Hell let’s even bring a quick force heal (previously unheard of/impossible) from someone who’s totally untrained. That’ll teach em.

But imo the most frustrating part was when Rey at the end decided that she was a Skywalker. Like, what??? They could have made it end with “Rey who? Just Rey” to mean that we aren’t defined by out family’s actions, but instead she decided she belonged to someone’s family she hardly knows.

Its how they do the female leads. They still have to be "hot," of course. And in order to be "strong?" Well obviously masculinity is the strong gender, and OBVIOUSLY masculinity is toxic. So a "strong female character" is either just toxic masculinity with a pretty face pasted on, or a beige parody of stoicism.

Of course female leads isn't a problem.

This post is mocking people like Ben Shapiro, the crtiical drinker, the quartering and other such douchebags who shit on good movies with good writing that are popular among audiences and critics, because "forced diversity, DEI hire, woke, radical feminist agenda."

Star wars writing was always dogshit, but you fuckers only tie yourself in knots when the woman on the screen has clothes on.

Like introducing a self-conscious stormtrooper and then having him unemotionally kill his mates pretty much immediately.

If you paid attention to the movie, Finn doesn't know how to fly a TIE fighter, because Storm Troopers don't fly TIE fighters. So when Finn is blasting TIE fighters, he's explicitly not killing Storm Troopers. In fact in every military I'm aware of, pilots of expensive fighters are always officers. Who abducted Finn from his family? That would be First Order officers. Who is Finn shooting at? First Order officers. Doubtful it would be the same officers that pressed him into the First Order, but it's easy to understand why he wouldn't all that broken up about it.

Some online review told you the movie is stupid because Finn is shooting at his friends, but if you think about it at all, that is explicitly not true.

Also consider that a Star Wars movie made you think about the morality of killing Storm Troopers. You might even consider thinking about it more and consider how many wars involve killing people not because they are evil, but killing people simply because they are on the other side and will kill you for the same reason. You may find that the answer to that question is it's every war that's like that. That's what a war is: killing people because they're on the other side without any consideration to what kind of person they are. Yeah, wars are a bad thing.

Also consider that Finn was indoctrinated and conditioned to be capable of killing people without hesitation. Consider how many militaries in the real condition people to kill other people without hesitation. How many militaries do you suppose do that?

Do you think that if someone realizes they've been indoctrinated into something, all other indoctrination and conditioning disappears from their brain instantly? Like it's a Saturday morning cartoon and someone gets bonked on the head and suddenly they're a good guy in all things? I think it actually makes more sense that Finn is still conditioned to kill without hesitation than what the internet that says he's supposed to have some moral crisis about killing First Order officers.

So a Star Wars movie made you the morality of killing people in a war. But you stopped yourself from thinking about it too much because the internet told you the movies sucks. Instead of asking questions and thinking about what's happening in a scene in a movie, you didn't think about it because you're defaulting to the answer "because the movie sucks". And this is how the internet ruins movies for people, you're not allowing yourself to even consider why things are happening in a movie because you're supposed to answer "because this sucks" and stop all thought.

Or introducing a nobody and then make her the child of a somehow™️ returned supervillain.

It's possible the point of the sequel to explore relationships in the past (shocking!). Something to think about: Why didn't Rey try to bring Palpatine back from the dark side (as Luke did with Vader)? Luke didn't even suggest that she try to do this. Why not? There's seems to be difference between the relationships explored in RoTJ and in RoS. Why is Vader redeemable, but Palpatine isn't? Maybe think on what the difference is.

Or just go along with the internet narrative and turn off your brain, because that's easier.

Name one

It tracks that you don't even know what the word means.

Star Wars comes to mind immediately.

I wonder if that's because the comic is about Star Wars...

and I haven't watched any of them since.

No one has, since they don't exist.

Rogue One may even beat out Empire for me. Sacrilege!

You need to watch Andor if you haven't already.

It's so flabbergasting that people can see the problems with the new trilogy but still enjoy the hollow shell of a movie that is R1

Yeah well if you ignore the internet reviews and marketing and take the movies for what they are, TFA was a solid reboot, checked all the boxes. Not exactly groundbreaking but a good return to form and a fun action adventure movie, which is all Star Wars needs to be really.

TLJ was unoriginal, boring, and the most misogynistic movie in Star Wars. But the marketing said it was about strong women so everyone got on their respective hills ready to die based solely on the marketing. No one was going to change their opinion (which is documented on the internet forever) after they actually saw the movie. So we're suppose to pretend that it's good leadership to act like an authoritarian in a Resistance movement (what are they resisting again?) Rey wasn't relegated to a support role (her only actions are distracting tie fighters and moving some rocks around) and Leia hiding in a bunker from her son is what a strong person would do. Let's all pretend that Rey thinking she should try to fix a rapey asshole because he looks good with his shirt off isn't a problematic thing to show to young girls as a positive role model. We all have to pretend the marketing was an accurate representation of the movie forever because we're idiots that can't actually look at what's happening on the movie screen.

RoS is janky, but is actually the most interesting Star Wars movies, mostly because of the challenges placed on it externally. It has some fun action adventure (though very derivative of Raiders of the Lost Ark in the first half). It has interesting themes about relationship with the past, the difference between ancestry and family, the emotional aspects of fascism, and of course the grieving process. Also gives a fairly satisfying ending for Princess Leia, though you have it a lot of leeway on that part (given the circumstances) if you're not an asshole. But the internet is obsessed with "somehow Palpatine returned" memes (which is all about how Poe is supposed to know or care about the specifics of his return, which is actually explained to us the audience) so the narrative is that it's the worst Star Wars movie ever!

Rogue One is studio directed garbage (sorry!) I won't go into details on that one, don't want to ruin it for you.

Outside of the Original Trilogy, the best two Star Wars movies were the ones JJ Abrams made. Other than those two (and Solo) everyone else failed to meet the bar of being fun action adventure. Everything else is trying to pretentious garbage, and I'm sorry but I'm not taking a movie that seriously when it has toys I played with as a kid on the screen. TFA, RoS, and Solo remembered to have some fun, but that's something miserable terminally online people that make youtube videos can't comprehend.

Disney should really just bring back JJ Abrams to make another fun action adventure movie with Rey, Finn, and Poe. People that like Star Wars movies would get another fun Star Wars movie. Youtube content farms would pump out endless videos about how horrible JJ Abrams is. Miserable people would have another reason to go on the internet and complain. Everyone would get what they really want.

It took kyle from us.

Rogue One is possibly the worst new Star Wars movie... At least RoS was entertaining to make fun of.

Andor, especially season 2.

I’m a big Maslany fan after Orphan Black but that show wasn’t good. Episodes felt weirdly short and nothing really happened.

Is the reason it's bad because it has a female lead? Not without being a misogynist.

If it's for another reason, sure! Ghostbusters 2016 was shit, but not because it had female leads.

I don't even recall which I've seen and not, but I do remember I enjoyed the first ones from the late 70s/early 80s(?) when I was a kid. Then I watched something star wars in the 90s that I felt was meh, then I watched something in the early noughties I felt was even more meh. Full stop since then.

And cyberpunk shows they can still include unnecessary softcore porn in their stories, regardless of gender. Tv writers love that shit.

Isn't that how Alien was written? Then Signourney Weaver blew them away. 

Most writers being male doesn't mean that women have to be terrible characters. Shit writers are just shit, and Disney hasn't bothered with finding quality writers in a very long time.

Yeah, sometimes you overlook some elements and once pointed out you can’t unsee it. (My opinion of the book the name of the wind honestly dropped after convincing my partner to read it)

I'm the reverse, where I tend to be forgiving for the most part but little things occasionally bug me about a movie. Then seeing Red Letter Media review of it where they point out that the thing I hated made sense with a little bit of context helps me let a lot of those little things go and enjoy the movie or show.

It is pretty rare that something is mentioned in a review that makes me dislike a movie because either I already noticed it or apparently it wasn't enough to notice before, so why get annoyed now?

Star wars had a fantastic extended universe from novels, comics and games. They threw it all away to make a trilogy where they didn't even have a complete story. As a fan, it felt like someone swapped my chocolate for cat turds.

I don't think it was bad. I think it was on par with 1,2, and 3.

there are plenty of video essays that I've watched for content that I never watched in the first place, because the analysis was highly entertaining and is much less time consuming

This makes me think of Angela Collier's essay segment "that time I read and enjoyed Ayn Rand", because nobody should ever have to sit through reading Atlas Shrugged.

https://youtu.be/GmJI6qIqURA?t=1580

Recommendations, please!

Best score in the franchise. And that is saying a lot since John Williams did the rest. But that music drives that movie like a madman.

Episode 8 had one scene that was really cool to look at ::: spoiler spoiler When they hyperdrived one ship into another ::: But it comes with opening a lot of plot holes and asking questions we were better off ignoring.

Episode 9 is just garbage writing start to finish though. And garbage marketing when you remember they announced ::: spoiler important plot point The return of palpatine ::: through fortnite.

I watched Episode 3, on DVD at an in-law's house, basically to get it over with. And on that day ceased being a fan of Star Wars. And as far as I can tell listening to the rest of you, I haven't missed much.

Mr. Plinkett very famously criticized movies in which the only woman of significance in the story had an arc where she went from being a Queen to a Senator to a trad wife to being dead.

But it's wrong to criticize movies that have plot arcs like that for women?

Having your own thoughts is woke

I have bad news - most people think like this. At this point, I don't believe people actually watch the media they consume, even sat right in front of it - They mindless let it pump into their brains, then let other media tell them what emotions they should feel, or (maybe) decide that for themselves based on the fraction of the story they actually processed.

The really bad news is this practice isn't isolated to just fiction.

modern awedeeeencessss

Going to disagree with the foundation, the motivation of the male characters didn't make sense either. Luke Skywalker, who found the good in his own father who was a genocidal maniac, considered murdering his nephew in his sleep. Dumbest thing I've ever seen. Then was so sad about it that he abandoned the galaxy. Yeah that sounds like a thorough understanding of Luke Fuckin Skywalker. Rian Johnson was a moron making that trash.

is it okay you can reupload the photo?

They cost the same as a comma to go between "what" and "are."

I think episode 8 is the second best OG trilogy. But I think I might be alone on that.

Considering A New Hope was the best movie according to a lot of people, it's not surprising that people would think A New New Hope was the second best.

You're not alone.

I think that the film would've been great if it wasn't second in a trilogy.

It introduced three extra main characters to an already very packed cast, it killed practically all the story lines started in TFA, it basically broke the Star Wars setting with the Holdo Manoeuvre, and it ended by showing not just a Force Sensitive kid, but a kid that already uses the Force for mundane tasks with ease. After Order 66, this is something tremendously important, and shouldn't be used as a "cut to ending credits" scene, with the character never mentioned again.

If it was the third film in the trilogy, without all the Canto Bight stuff and with some resolution of the Rey vs Ben story, it'd be a solid 9/10 for me. But as it is, I struggle to give it more than 6.

If it didn't demote Finn from a growing protagonist and lead love interest to a clown who gets to have the demeaning side plot so fans could have their emo boy instead, and if Rei's barely-there character development didn't fly into that brick wall, and if Poe's moral of the story wasn't to learn how to bow to authoritarianism, I might have agreed with you.