In civilized countries at least.

In brazil 36 reais (about 6 euro). The US is a joke. (And im 99% sure you can also get it for free if you use the public health network)

Even worst, my dog got it for free from the public vet university for years. They even gave us the syringes. It's the same human insulin and my dog got it for free. Guess his plan worked better than he thought... only no in the us

Free on the NHS in the UK. In fact, diabetes is one of the conditions that qualifies people for free prescriptions across the board.

It did succeed, humanity just didn't take the win and run to keep it going.

To be fair, the killing isn't the point; they're the product. Its just that profit is God, so killing in its name is justified.

Killing poors for the joy of it? That's just an evil bonus.

Same

the OOC might be TYPE 1 which is even more dependant on insulin than type 2, because you're pancreas cant make any insulin at all. plus there also other expenses that comes with being type 1. CGM, INSULIN pumps(which are often regularly replaced because they wear out). you can sometimes tell when someones type 1, if they have a device attached to thier arm, its usually a circular button, thats the sensor(its another cost)

Free Luigi.

There is plenty of propaganda on social media to exalt the billionaires and CEOs. Instagram is especially really bad at it. I don't know why the algorithm suggest heavily to me about "entrepreneur" pages (maybe my investing platform sold my data), although some of these pages whitewash literal fraudulent and underhanded behaviours from celebrity CEOs and fraudsters, spinning their past behaviours as "another way to get rich". I also think the posts and profiles were written by bots, because the language and syntax used sound almost identical from one another, in spite of these profiles supposedly being independent from one another.

A lot of us would need financial sponsorship. So there'd be a literal financial drain on those economies.

I still would like to sign up.

Have you looked into what it takes to get a permanent visa to one of those countries? It’s not easy.

I did it a while ago, would recommend.

It's already happening, there's been a deluge of affluent people leaving the US.

We're still at the stage where it takes considerable privilege to just leave everything behind and pay the exit extortion (40% of all your shit).

Once things get worse and people have nothing to leave behind you'll start seeing the engineers/doctors escaping.

the one that have money to migrate to another country have done it already. buts mostly PHD level professionals, rather difficult for people who only have a ms or bs with no established career already. unless you well off enough to be able to move.

it would probably have to be millions, or 10s of millions (around 40ish million) suddenly moving out of the us, then the usa and that would would see real impact on brain drain and economy(especially the ones in key stem sectors, at some point it will affect israel pipelines(weapons tech and research, like MIT) from university), but then again most people are too content in the usa, and the massively propagandized people us has practically pacified them, and essentially made a cultural bubble of selfishness(hate taxes, guns,,,etc. propaganda)

Please no, there's already people rioting over 3rd world citizens immigrating here, we don't need to add Yanks to that group too

Making an AI meme of Luigi as a Saint is one thing.

Making a painting and having it casually displayed in your room is a whole other level.

Also, I can't believe it's already been a year.

Seems like something other states should get in on. Now that the program is established seems like it would not be as hard to pay into it and get a share of the product.

I know not every state can or are willing to do this

this kind of thing scales well, i see no reason why after california has it set up, other states couldn't get insulin from them, or chip in

contracting is an interesting choice of word since it could mean decreasing

It's almost like someone should go and shoot the CEO dead in the street

One could argue that patents and copyright are anti-capitalist

Technically a funnel system for 1%.

yeah. but more importantly your fucked up excuse for democracy is fucked.

plenty of capitalist countries that don't have this problem.

this feels a bit like open source software, just that the software involved is genetic code, which codes for a protein.

Something I've noticed is when untraveled people in the USA try to contextualize themselves with other countries they pick the worst examples they can think of. Favelas in Brazil or slums in South Africa for example. We do this to the point where our entire conception of countries (or in the case of Africa, continents) is the worst imagery we can think of. I think they genuinely don't believe that, for all their troubles India, Brazil, Mexico, Nigeria, etc also have smartphones and big buildings and libraries and universities and laboratories, and educated people living decent lives.

They also can't see how the overcrowded jails full of pretrial prisoners, the barefoot children carrying buckets for water in Appalachia, the rundown schools full of illiterate kids, the impunity of rich private interests, the corrupt sheriffs and judges, and on and on, puts us in the company of the "third world countries". Yes we have nice places too, but SO DO THEY. A broken society in the 21st century isn't people living in mud huts, it's children shitting in the street next to a glass skyscraper with LEED Platinum certification.

Logically, it's not about how much money you make, it's about purchasing power. It is irrelevant if you earn only $400 a month when you can eat well for $1 and pay $100 for your housing, you have free health care and education. That is the reality in some third world countries.

There's a reason countries like Vietnam are so popular with digital nomads.

It's also much harder to become a middle class in those countries.

the problem is that there is natural (as in, unmodified) cheap generic insulin available, it's just that it sucks compared to everything else. you see, insulin is a peptide that is supposed to appear, do some signalling, then disappear and unmodified insulin copies this thing exactly. the problem is, most of the time when peptide is supposed to work as a pharmaceutical, you don't want to do that, you'd like insulin to last longer than usual, which means changes to it that make breakdown slower, or adding something that makes it stick to albumin, which has similar effect because it hides insulin somewhere enzymes can't reach it and also it makes it start acting slower. this means less frequent dosing and less changes in insulin activity over time. there are also other insulins that start acting faster than natural, and this is also due to a couple of modifications in its structure

for another example, ozempic was not the first drug in its class, it's also a modified peptide, and it can be injected s.c. once a week, compared to previous iteration (liraglutide) that requires daily injections. if natural peptide is injected i.m. instead, its halflife is half an hour, and in serum it's only two minutes (it gets released a bit slower than it is metabolized)

manufacturing costs are about the same for any variant, most of it is in purification. patents for a couple of these have expired anyway by now, but if manufacturing is limited then price can be set arbitrarily high (see daraprim)

Correct, but when it's already been established that people will pay those prices, they keep them high. So instead of going from $800 to $5 out of the goodness of their hearts, they go from $800 to $650 (number made up) to get more business but still make massive profits.

You'd THINK capitalism would cause that to happen, wouldn't you?

That's certainly how capitalism is marketed, isn't it?

Yup, but their products don't work as well, don't work for everyone, or have other downsides. Banting's original insulin would be dirt cheap today, but it's shit compared to what we have now, so the best products on the market today charge a premium for either efficacy or convenience.

I would literally move if I could afford it and if it was even a little easier.

Stockholm syndrome suggests we enjoy it or want to be here.

Reminder that the term Stockholm Syndrome was coined to blame victims for being rightly more afraid of the police than their captors:

In [Jess Hill's] 2019 treatise on domestic violence See What You Made Me Do, Australian journalist Jess Hill described the syndrome as a "dubious pathology with no diagnostic criteria", and stated that it is "riddled with misogyny and founded on a lie"; she also noted that a 2008 literature review revealed "most diagnoses [of Stockholm syndrome] are made by the media, not by psychologists or psychiatrists." In particular, Hill's analysis revealed that Stockholm authorities, responded to the robbery in a way that put the hostages at greater risk from the police than from their captors (hostage Kristin Enmark, who during the siege was granted a telephone call with Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, reported that Palme told her that the government would not negotiate with criminals); as well, she observed that Bejerot's diagnosis of Enmark was made without ever having spoken to her.

Otherwise, we probably agree that AmeriKKKans are a feckless, servile people.

If you need a lot of different prescribed drugs then £114.50/year to cover every prescription you have is an option here. Otherwise £9.90 each.

I can confirm, as a insured I am paying $0.00 for Insulin in Macedonia. Now I am receiving 6 Novo Nordisk Tresiba pens per month. How much is that in US?

Is it free in grey countries?

1/5th cost just by driving to Canada.

IIRC the insulin being sold now is manufactured differently and the patents are completely different anyway

But overall your point is good

It was sold to a Canadian public university to manage the patent for public good.

They have, everywhere else in the world basically, insulin costs pennies.

In America, they have been able to patent certain formulations and delivery methods, and they keep making marginal modifications to string the patents out to keep Americans locked in to absurd insulin prices.

Was that the answer you thought it was going to be?

And let's be clear, we're talking about the European OG Georgia, not the US state.

Isn't that where Palin saw the Russians?

They sold the patent to the University of Toronto, so they didn't exactly sell it to a for-profit patent troll.

But also, that was in 1923, so the patent has long since expired.

Yes they will absolutely fuck you on it IF they even allow it at all.

You know, in the spirit of "free markets" and all that bull shit.

I believe there are some restrictions on mailing insulin across the border due to regulations and customs laws. However, there might be ways around it if you're willing to do a little research and possibly pay extra fees.

What website would we mail order it from?

people have been crossing to canada for cheap insulin drugs, the same one made by the trioply insulin companies via driving. other healthcare options, like dental work or medical procedures, they will be seeking places like thailand, mexico, india(the cities that cater to medical tourism)

couple of reddit threads suggest that this is something you can do, but you have to be evasive around american border guard later if you go in person

Fuck.

fyi this fella has no training in chemistry or medicine and is just some random ass programmer with severe case of "saving the world from my homelab" symdrome

Does anyone really need to live? What you need is to be producing value for your company!

/S

Oh, it's not that good.

It's "Pay until you run out of money and can no longer take on more debt. Then die."

US hEAlthcare.

Pay a monthly subscription fee, and additional microtransactions every time you get rejected.

It's yet another thing to force the riff-raff to work any job for any pay.

Can't have people refusing to do disgusting or even life-long disabling jobs for peanuts.

See also "housing costs".

You forgot the middle step, vote for republicans to perpetutate the situation, and then die.

At least you can buy a human for only $85.21!

Lots of missing data in there, but gotta love Turkey's $2.56.

My name's not Luigi

What are you summoning