Haven't these MFS been saying they won in a landslide have a mandate since January? Or am I just imagining things?
Ideally, I'd love for Dems to just start taking credit for everything MAGA brags about. Since apparently the Republicans aren't in charge.
Nah nah nah dawg.
The antifa deep state led by Soros and his Jewish space lizards are holding the government hostage. Except Israel, those guys is cool.
Imagine if Biden or Obama had a shutdown, and they had Soros step in and privately fund the military.
And the Democrats have also made abundantly clear what the Republicans have to do in order to get their votes.
For the unaware, the Democrat leadership are asking that the rate hikes for US health insurance are reversed, some individual US senators might have slightly different demands but the GOP need 7 more votes to pass a budget resolution.
See this is what I don't understand. They need 7 more votes to enter a continuence, not a budget. If they wanted to re-open the government they could have actually wrote a budget, and reconciled that budget, using only 51 votes for all the portions closed down.. then argued about the portions they can't get passed (cutting health care). There is nothing that the Democrats can do to block an actual budget reconciliation being done.
Stop kicking the can down the road with a "continuence" and draw up a budget. This whole thing seems to me like they can't get Republicans to agree on a budget, to get 51 votes
No idea what any of this means. Rate hikes good or bad?
Hey, average web surfer here. I just want you all to know that I see posts like this and it is the message that I'm left with. I actually don't know what the democrats or even people on the left are saying about this. I just see these posts. I think democrats are the reason the shut down is happening
Their reason for voting against the funding bill has been quite clearly stated on platforms and news programs everywhere. Even searching "why are democrats voting against reopening the government" will get you a fairly decent answer. They haven't changed the answer in the past three weeks, or hidden their demands, or anything like that.
I'd recommend you get in the habit of looking stuff like that up before you've made up your mind about something, because it's a really helpful life skill for an "average web surfer." Deciding what your opinion is before you have all the facts just means that you're letting someone else think for you.
So you don’t actually know anything, but you think the Democrats are the reason.
Fucking typical. I think people like you are the reason the government is shut down.
The information is out there, maybe reconsider where you're getting news from? Democrats are asking for healthcare to be protected, and are planning a vote for releasing the Epstein files. Republicans are opposing both.
Republicans are exclusively at fault because they have the speaker position AND a majority of members in both houses and can get back in business whenever. They just don't have all their own members on board yet, so they need enough Democrats to join to reach a majority, and none will do it.
So Republicans are stuck with a majority they can't use, and have to negotiate, and refuses to negotiate.
Assuming you are posing this concern in good faith, the answer is it is a very real issue that has everything to do with the platforms presenting meme based/photo based information. Virtually all major social media outlets sku heavily right and promote right leaning content well above similar content on the left. Its not that the left doesn't have this kind of content, it is that it isnt being shown as often by content providers.
If you find everything you are seeing is posts like the picture here, please recognize you may be a victim of propagandizing efforts and reconsider what platforms you explore.
Certainly here on lemmy, you can find many more short form/meme type messaging from the left/liberals than you can the right. It's a notable exception to the general trend
You could of course read a news paper article or two on this, as an average web surfer, rather than trust a random Lemmy user to provide you an answer. Open up NYT, US Today, Washington Post or any of the other news sites there are out there. (And with that, I would advise you to avoid Fox News, as that's not a news source, but rage bait source)
I am left wondering if you are a bot?
Do you just look at pictures, and never read anything?
I'll take the downvotes too but I agree. We need to approve funding for things even Democrats don't agree on in order to feed people? Get the fuck out.
Please please can we stop trying to catch their lies? ALL THEY EVER DO IS LIE. It's not a gotcha. It's pointless. Their people don't care and we all know they are full of shit. You can't beat a fascist in discourse.
It's not just important to discourse. It's important to know when they're lying, even if that is always, and more importantly, what the truth is. You cannot let only their narrative exist
Yes, plus, it's not the people who already know they constantly lie that they are trying to convince. It's the people who don't pay a lot of attention and occasionally get something. They're trying to tell that person that Democrats are doing this for them.
It's important to know when they're lying
Is their mouth open? Then they're lying.
Documenting all of it is really important, even though it's fucking exhausting.
Ultimately it isn't really for fascists or the willfully ignorant to be swayed; it's so that in the future humanity is able to review and learn lessons to improve upon the past.
I hope.
This is kinda why I'm just tempted to purge some of my socials. It's just non fucking stop. I already spent a decade listening to TFG bullshit every week when he was president the first time and even when he lost the second time, the news still covered his pathetic ass constantly. I wanna be informed don't get me wrong, but so much of this news is just noise.
I know how I'm voting, not that we can simply vote fascism out, so what the fuck is the point of destroying my mental health every single day just to hear what trump said or what bullshit the GOP is doing in Texas or Tennessee. I'm losing my mind and all I'm trying to do is survive and I can't even do that. All this fucking wonderful technology and I'm freaking miserable. Sigh, sorry for the rant brother.
Maybe you should swear in the Democrat that Arizona elected, Mike? Since they are required.
they same porn-addled mike johnson that sworn in 2 republicans the moment they were elected earlier this year, like within 24hrs.
Democrats are the ones in control and yet a Democrat is not sworn into her elected duty blocked by republicans.
Tired of these hypocrite they've crossed the line into blatant liars.
"The enemy is both dangerously strong and exceptionally weak at the same time."
This is a thing that fascists say. The Trump admin and the Project 2025 people ARE fascists so that tracks
Obviously you are imagining things the only things the Republicans have is a majority in the House and Senate, the support of the supreme Court, the White House and the richest man in the world and most oligarchs. Oh and some really crazy fascist MAGA cultists. It's practically nothing and these crazy people act like they run the government. I mean really.
Everything is fine.
Ideally, I'd love for Dems to just start taking credit for everything MAGA brags about. Since apparently the Republicans aren't in charge.
Well, not so nice this day without a spine.
If the Dems were in charge, they'd have sworn in the representative-elect from Arizona that he refuses to by now.
MAGA doesn't care about reality, all they care about is hating those that aren't them.
I mean Trump's policies are actively destroying everything and farmers. But no matter what he does, they will blame the democrats and their base will eat it up. It is perfect. You can do whatever the hell you want and you win no matter how shitty everything gets.
What an awful, awful little man.
Did the democrats make you go to Grindr too Mike?
I honestly don't like this. While there are Republicans who are closeted, there's no evidence Johnson is one of them and the creepy shit we do know makes him seem even straighter.
Their display looks like a high school civics class project.
Mike Johnson wants to kiss boys and he's real mad about it
If his texts are any indication, he wants to do more than kiss, and has done so on many occasions.
And he hates those who want to wear dresses cause who wants to kiss boys who look like girls?
Republicans have never demonstrated the ability to govern in my life time.
their words mean nothing because they are all lies. only their actions matter. we shouldn't waste energy discussing their worthless words.
The record of contemporary recognition of their lies is important. Every day there are people who, knowingly or not, are teetering on the edge of leaving the MAGA cult, and these call-outs catch some of them.
MAGA's base isn't an entirely static crowd over time. Some people leave, and new people are indoctrinated. Efforts like this are important to trying to reduce the number of people vulnerable to becoming MAGA, to reduce the number of people actually becoming MAGA, and to increase the number who leave MAGA after finally seeing whatever was enough for them.
MAGA has shown repeatedly that large-scale efforts to crack their base apart aren't effective, which mostly leaves us with trying to keep new people from joining and trying to shake a few people off the edges wherever we can.
I agree with you, and I think both approaches to reach maga are valid. Asking people to think about the lies is just as important as asking them to ignore the words and look at the actions. Both could change hearts and minds.
In the end, i suspect a lot of maga is just a popularity contest. as soon as cracks start appearing, it will be a race to jump ship. Eventually, "everyone will have always been agaisnt this", just like in post hitler germany.
It our job to keep the pressure on. give them no rest. never let them repair the cracks in the hull.
So, what they're saying is they've been lying about having a mandate all this time.
You don't understand! The public gave them a mandate, but Democrats stole enough seats to take control anyway! From the shadows!!!
Oh he wants a man date alright.
They can’t even get their own party to vote unanimously for this bill. Why do they expect the other party to at all?
If you look closely you can see the sweat.
Unlike Ghouliani, this never gets old
AOC or Jasmine Crocket should go "Cool, if you are not in charge then I nominate myself for Speaker of the House".
Translation: If they voted yes on this bill they hate, the government would reopen. They have all the power here.
MAGA believes whatever they're told most recently, just like Trump. My Nextdoor app feed proves this to me.
"The government is reopened. Everything we democrats want is from now on in effect. If the republicans have a problem with that, they can shut down the government. You're welcome!"
Adelita Grijalva - learn that name, people.
If any Democrat is controlling government, it's Adelita Grijalva. Now hand the keys, Mike.
Vladimir Putin is though.
This isn't really clicking for me.
If the Republicans "are in charge", then they wouldn't need democrat votes. But they clearly do need the votes? So they're not fully in charge, right?
Some Congressional votes require 60% votes. Most Congressional votes just require a simple majority. So Repugnants control Congress most of the time.
they need dems to blame thats why, and they made impossible demands to be met beforehand.
Only because they claim they do, they can change that instantly... In fact they already have 3 times so far.
... and it only requires 50% to change the rules around which votes require 60%, but they don't want to do that, because it might give an advantage to the dems in the future when they have a simple majority.
It is the job of the ruling party to negotiate with the opposition party to get their votes. The Republicans are simply refusing to do their job and demanding the Democrats shut up and do what they're told
Why do you take anything said by any American government official in good faith? Have you learned nothing about the Burgers and their "forked tongues" by now?! 😔
Whoever's in charge needs to keep it working and will generally take the blame when it doesn't. Even if they don't take the blame, they'll be expected to fix it, and will get blamed when things don't get fixed.
Obama actually had a supermajority for a little bit, better than what Republicans have now. He accomplished making healthcare worse for many, better for some. He could have done so much. Democrats stood in his way. This is a bipartisan shutdown.
That isn't true, and even if that had been true, Obama left office 9 years ago, how is it even remotely relevant?
I once had a cat named Jamey and she would lick my fingers after I ate cheetos. She died when I was 16 and I swore I would think of her every time I ate cheetos. This is why I think cheetos are going to all spontaneously combust one day.
The beauty of voting Democrat or Republican is that you have no real, solid political ideals.
They can change on a whim, based on convenience or whatever your favorite MSM news broadcast just told you, and the best part is you probably aren't even aware of your own hypocrisy.
One of the double speaks an authoritarian spokesperson has to perform is the opposition is both strong and weak at the same time. Strong, so they can be blamed for anything that goes wrong, and to stoke fears in the faithful, and weak because no one is allowed to be stronger than the authority.
I know that is 1984, but it really reminds me of the "could god create a boulder so large that he could not lift it" thought experiment.
The christian god does seem to have some stuff in common with an authoritarian dictator.
Isn't that weak so they can't be blamed for what goes wrong and strong because they are the absolute authority?
Oh no, they don't ever see themselves as weak.
Their opponents are simultaneously strong and weak
They want to be blameless and every "step" further away is better. They aren't "weak" because then you could blame their weakness.