Hot Take Time: What is a popular long-running franchise that just needs to stop?
Hot Take Time: What is a popular long-running franchise that just needs to stop?
I have a few: Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU.
Hot Take Time: What is a popular long-running franchise that just needs to stop?
I have a few: Star Wars, Star Trek, MCU.
CSI (and other shows that distort the public’s understanding of the criminal justice system—see the CSI effect).
Copaganda in general can just go away.
Good news: CSI: Vegas got cancelled last year.
Do you really want the public to be aware of how shitty the reality is?
I mean here in Germany e.g the reality is that our justice system is overloaded and many criminals can get away because the courts have more cases than they can handle.
I prefer that the wide public doesn’t know that we could already live in anarchy to some degree…
For a moment I was looking at the ear and wondering what kind of mutated creature that was. You cannot convince me that on first glance, if you miss the actual eyes, that the ears don't look somewhat like an eye.
If I don't like something, I just don't watch it. It doesn't bother me if others enjoy it.
That's fine for drama and written TV. But nah, reality TV ruined the world.
The Real World and Cribs on MTV led to Big Brother and Survivor - which as well as popularizing the format and leading to endless trash, led to The Apprentice, which revived Donald Trump's image and brand and convinced millions of really dumb people that he'd make a good president.
In the good parallel timelines, the execs that suggested reality TV were laughed at and it never came up again. MTV still plays great music videos all day, the History channel actually talks about history, and barely anyone outside of the US knows the name 'Kardashian' or 'Donald Trump'.
The problem is that reality TV is inevitable. People, generally speaking, like to know what other people are doing. Or like to see other people react to things.
The first "reality TV" program was Candid Camera, which technically got its start as "Candid Microphone", all in the late 1940s. Of course things evolved from there into our current "reality TV" situation.
The real problem is that the line between "entertainment" and "reality" has gotten blurrier and blurrier. When we watch Godzilla we know that's just entertainment, we know a giant lizard creature isn't walking down the street.
It's also funny that you mention MTV because realistically MTV should have died out years ago. In the same way that video killed the radio star, the Internet killed the video star. Why would I turn on the TV and hope the video I wanted to watch was on, when I could just go on the Internet and see it now. Of course MTV the television station wants to keep making money, so they pivoted hard into reality TV.
You need to learn from the IWC. No one hates wresting more than wrestling fans
Abrahamic religions 👍 we get it you've daddy issues don't take it so serious
At least we stuck to one solid trilogy and then stopped. Well, aside from the fanfic.
You mean the Bible is really a trilogy and the book of Mormon is return of the jedi? I'm interested.
Jurassic Park, the last like 5 have been the same rehashed ideas along with “big dinosaur how we kill it?”
I can't agree more with this. Wtf are they thinking.
They are thinking that they have made billions of dollars, so why stop now?
Jurassic Park is one of my most favourite movies ever. Although they come not even close to the first one, I still rewatch 2 and 3 from time to time. But Jurassic World is a disaster for me. The second one was already so bad that it caused losing my whole interest for the World franchise.
I still cannot believe how much they butchered this franchise and the initial vision for the book and the movie.
Jurassic World 1 is my guilty pleasure.
I would like to know the demographics of the people who still watch the Simpsons. They are out there. There are many of them.
I genuinely think that some people hit a certain age and then simply lose the will to explore new things. The amount of absolute garbage reboots and sequels that my parents watch just because they liked the original thing is far too many. But it's certainly not just them. I know people younger than me that will just always listen to new albums of artists they used to enjoy even if it's hot garbage and talk about it like it's pretty good. I'm certainly not an authority on what people can enjoy, but I can absolutely be disappointed in people that reach this point where familiar=good.
Nostalgia is a powerful 'drug'.
Haven’t watched it many years, went and found one of the tree house of horrors the other day because someone recommended it. It was alright
And there was one with a bear
I always have to pop up in these threads because I'm out there, and I'm not alone. I've been watching The Simpsons, more or less, non-stop since it first started airing.
When I was younger it played twice a day during the week with a new episode every Sunday. So when it comes to the earlier seasons, the ten or so seasons often viewed as the golden era, I've seen those dozens of times.
In the 2000s watching TV at a regularly scheduled time wasn't as much of a priority and the availability of videos on the Internet began to increase, so I usually watched The Simpsons that way. When the film came out in 2007 I was there opening day.
As streaming services became popular in the 2010s I started to watch The Simpsons there instead. Although these streaming services rarely had a backlog, just the current season, but I had them all collected over the years.
In the late 2010s my roommates and I decided to watch every episode of The Simpsons but not in release order. We would just pick a random season and episode and watch a few episodes a week over the course of two years.
Now in the 2020s we sometimes get together to watch, sometimes watch solo. I'm personally much more strict about watching every week, they usually watch in short bursts and I don't mind rewatching recent episodes.
But... Is it good? Yeah mostly. Not every episode is great.
The episode that aired this past Sunday isn't anything special, a few funny moments but Albert Brooks who voiced Hank Scorpio and Russ Cargill (from the movie) voiced a new character and that was fun.
The Treehouse of Horror from two Sunday's ago was much better, so if you want a recent episode then watch that.
No it isn't ever going to be as great as the golden age of The Simpsons, but it's still fun to watch and I still laugh, so that's a win to me.
My kids are mainlining it most days (when they're allowed TV). They're pre-teens and they love it. I don't mind so much, basically because nostalgia - and at least it's not Teen Titans Go, which was so fast it gave me a headache
I loved the simpsons but have not seen an episode in maybe a decade or more.
MCU has really run its course. They’ve jumped the shark
How about a bit different perspective?
What long running franchise should be taking out of the hands of idiots and given to people who are actually talented and creative?
The one exception is the MCU, that is definitely one that needs a break. I feel I've been watching the same movie over and over since the second Avengers.
The worlds of Star Trek and Star Wars are so vast that there are tons of stories that could be told. It just needs to be in the hands of someone that is actually good at their job and not a profit crazy committee.
Disney had an entire cannonical set of excellent stories to work with, but said 'fuck it we'll just do whatever crappy nostalgia bait JJ Abrams wants'... and we got a complete shit show.
Andor actaully reminded me of a lot of the 'legacy' cannon stuff, which is why it was so popular/great. Dark Empire, Thrawn, Jedi Academy... just had so much better story going on.
Which is a strange decision because Disney is at it's best when picking good existing stories and doing a quality adaptation.
Star Trek seems pretty good in this regard. Discovery went ary but it was fun while it was good. Strange New Worlds is fantastic, Lower Decks takes a very different view of the universe for fun, and Picard was a decent enough story with some good stakes.
The movies suck ass though, particularly Abrams.
Star Wars on the other hand could just go away and I would not care. I saw New Hope in 77 and loved it. Looking back; not a great movie. And it was downhill from there.
Which is it shouldn't have been. There have been better books than anything produced by Lucas or Disney.
I enjoyed andor. The first 1.5 seasons were pretty solid. Then they started "discovering" characters who were in Rouge One and doingbtheir usual BS where we are all supposed to faint because someone we know shows up...
The Simpsons. Used to be sensational but isn't anymore.
It's gone from losing my interest 20 years ago to flat out unwatchable. I saw an episode from the most recent season and it was neither funny nor interesting to watch. It's sad that one of the funniest shows ever has been past its prime for so long it's now an animated corpse of what it once was.
Omg I read “sensational” as a bad thing is it one of those words now
Only on a sensationalist kind of way.
funny thing is Im pretty sure the last one I watched was worth watching but I no longer watch over the air real time and it was not streaming in an easy enough to do fashion so just sorta fell out of watching it.
Trump / MAGA
Every. Single. Fucking. EA Sports franchise
They ought to be arrested for it, but players are somehow still buying it.
I remember when skate 3 was released. It was the biggest sports game of the year. It outsold even FIFA. BUUUUUUUT, fifa fans are so deranged that they spend like 2 Billions in micro transactions that EA obviously spend all their efforts into making more FIFA and no more skate. Except now Skate. Obviously, and we all know how shit this turned out.
Fucking Grey's Anatomy. Idk if it really counts as a franchise though but it's on season 22 and hasn't been good in years. It needs to end. I keep waiting for an asteroid to hit the hospital because that's pretty much the only disaster that hasn't hit that hospital yet.
Grey's Anatomy has had a couple of spinoffs (Private Practice, Station 19) so I'd say it counts as a franchise.
More of a soap, isn't it?
Futurama. I think it's the best 30 minute show of all time but it's time for it to go. It's OK. Good things are allowed to end.
As an extremely die-hard Futurama fan I'm starting to feel the same way, especially since disney owns it now. The only thing they'll do with it going forward is see just how much they can wring from it, in the same fashion they're killing star wars, marvel, and every other IP they bought to pump out never-ending crap. I'd be fine if this was the end, even with a tear in my eye.
TIL Futurama was renewed. I'm so out of the loop these days it blows my mind.
Rupert Murdoch.
those are franchises older than tv, not only streaming, so i doubt it'll stop, The Walking Dead on the other hand... also they're rebooting Breaking Bad, soooo there's that
Source on breaking bad?
I'm not opposed to the idea as a BB fan, I just suspect the producers will do something stupid like cast that twerp from Dune as Jessie Pinkman. Also, no fucking way anyone can portray Walter White better than Bryan Cranston
sorry, it's Prison Break getting a reboot, I was mistaken
I love Star Trek dearly, I just don't think we're ever going to get a show that hits like TNG/VOY/DS9 (and even ENT/TOS) again - largely due to capitalism and the dramatic shortening of TV seasons. SNW is watchable and has some good bits in it, but it is forced to operate at a mile-a-minute pace, and either forced or poorly chosen by the showrunners to be Action Action Action about 90% of the time. I just need some breathing room!
That being said, Lower Decks and Prodigy both hit on a lot of what I love about Trek. Their cancellations (and the new ownership of Paramount, and Section 31, and SNW only getting 6 episodes for their last season) do not bring me any hope for the future.
SNW does have some great moments. I loved the "documentary" episode most specifically, because it was a neat spin on things that let them experiment a lot with the cinematography and documentary-style shots.
As the documentary was the real 'focus' of the episode, the plot of transporting the enslaved alien creature/ship was allowed to be a self-contained story like old-school trek used to be, and I really appreciated the reflection on the morality of what they do as a crew, and as Starfleet.
There was a lot of TNG's DNA in there, and I liked that.
Yeah, there is a lot to like in it, I probably wasn't as kind in my original message as I should've been. I do love that they went more episodic with it, that's for sure! And they have had a few episodes that were pretty lighthearted and funny, which is greatly appreciated. It straddles the line of A/B tier for me.
I just don't think we're ever going to get a show that hits like TNG/VOY/DS9 (and even ENT/TOS) again
Given how much bad pressure and online criticism TNG, Voy and especially DS9 got, I'm surprised they even tried Ent. SNW was a great show, but don't forget just how much fans and execs hated every single new series that came out. Your treasured classics were dragged through the muck regularly.
That's fair, yeah! As much as I try to not let criticism impact my enjoyment of things, I'm sure it unconsciously has done so. I still don't expect to be looking back and saying "Discovery was actually fantastic" in 20 years, but I'll keep an open mind to it.
All of them. How about some new shit for once?
Imagine that. Two or three seasons for a tv show always srem like the sweet spot. Same with movies. Terminator, great. Terminator 2, even better. Terminator 3 to wherever we are now, what the fuck even is this?
I think a lot of people watch long lasting tv shows out of habit, not because they are good or holding up. Bob's burger is the only exception i can think off, and maybe some other niche shows, if they are good they are good and if they have more to say, go ahead.
One of my favourite shows used to be community. I have the fondest memories watching it for the first time. Now every time i rewatch it i got reminded that only the first two seasons are really good, and then it just falls apart.
What? No. Absolutely not. Fuck, imagine if TNG had only run 2 seasons. Any more terrible ideas?
It's not a golden rule. A show can be bigger if the creator has a large enough vision for it, from the start. The problem is that it's not how the business works - if you try to make a long show you'll end up with a cancelled show instead.
No way, so many examples of great shows over 3 seasons long. Breaking Bad and Better Call Saul, The Sopranos, The Wire, The Simpsons was amazing for a long time, 30 Rock, Parks and Rec, Battlestar Galactica, The Shield... I could go on.
I still get frustrated when we get a big games conference to show off a bunch of trailers, and a streamer watching one will start rattling off “Oh. Soldier of Fortune remake? Bloodborne 2? God of War?” up to the title card. Then, when it’s some fresh new IP, not a sequel, everyone has a reaction of “Oh. Dunno what that is.”
Gamers are very much complicit in the terrible state of game remakes/sequels.
Fast and furious.
Saw
Unfortunately, the movie that tried to end it, Saw 3D, sucked.
I did enjoy Saw X but the end was a little wacky (consequence of being a prequel?) and I don't know how they're gonna bounce back from that. And now the next movie is stuck in production limbo.
  
Ultimately killing John Kramer so early in the franchise was (IMO) a big mistake.
  
Having a movie with him as the lead was so refreshing, but goddamn you mfs should have never killed him in the first place! Let alone have waited so long to try to rectify your mistake!! 
McDonalds.
Mcdonalds food taste so bad nowadays.
Five Nights at Freddy's has only been running for 11 years and is a corpse of its former self that seems to have been ironically put into a machine to make more money.
The weird Sci-Fi turn they took on Sister Location was easily the worst thing they did to this franchise and has derailed all future entries, change my mind.
I actually disagree. I think the sci-fi elements, and especially Remnant, are awesome (and had been pseudo-foreshadowed since the first game). I think the problem is that the series didn't end after FFPS and UCN, with maybe Help Wanted being allowed if it actually had a conclusive ending. Afton went from a serial killer to a serial killer with mysterious sci-fi motivations to a ridiculous slasher villain returning from literally everything.
Call of Duty and Pokémon.
I saw a commercial for the newest Pokemon game and up until it said it was exclusively for Switch 2, I hella thought it was some F2P mobile garbage. When your ads don't even make the newest game look good, it's definitely time to stop.
Simpsons
You know what's crazy? The show has existed for my entire life (I'm 36), but I've only seen like 5 episodes ever. And the movie.
When I was around 6 or 7ish, i was just getting into stuff like that and had seen the show a couple times. Then my grandma saw some thing on the news or at church or something and ranted about the show so much, about how vulgar and terrible it was. So my mom decided I shouldn't be allowed to watch it. I was an obedient child, so I didn't watch it. Then my older friend introduced me to South Park a year or two later, and mom hadn't said anything about that show... I never really got interested in The Simpson again after that.
Bond.
Half of the plot points from all the movies have been enacted, attempted or discussed in the first year of Trump's presidency by his cabinet, handlers, backers or string-pullers or funders. Fictional supervillains as entertainment are a distraction, dangerously so when the real thing is happening as we speak.
One Piece. Never watched it because having to watch a thousand episodes just to catch up is simply not possible for me.
I tried it after seeing the pirate flag thing being used in Nepal Gen Z Protests and I thought it must be a cool story if its so popular, so I tried watching it... and I got bored so quickly. I mean, it just feels very weird to me, doesn't "click" for me, oh well, I guess my brain is just different.
Or ypu know you aren’t the actual target audience for One Piece which is children.
If you're actually interested you can just try the Netflix show. It's a watered down version but it's decent enough to give an idea of what makes it have so many fans. The Anime is just weekly television that's been running for decades - it was never meant to be binge watched.
I started One Piece about 3 years ago and have read all the manga and just recently caught up on the anime.
Some of the things I really enjoy about it:
The story progression ramps up nicely. Nobody is that OP from the get-go, and the stakes and power levels have increased steadily as the story goes on. There is definitely plot armor, but it's not like every bad guy is on the same level as the previous one.
There is great representation. There are people of different races. There are gay-coded, trans, and gender fluid characters, there are young and old people. And none of them are really played for laughs for those traits. All character types have heros, villians, comic relief, and serious characters. And none of the characters with real screen/page time are flat and one dimensional. This along with the power scaling, really makes the adventure feel important and like a fleshed out and lived in world that you are part of. I can only imagine this is even moreso true for people that have been fans since the late 90s.
At almost 1200 chapters, I feel like I understand this fictional world and how it works. There are macguffins and such, but nothing that feels out of place. Characters still behave how you would expect them to behave and the creator doesn't just pull stuff out of nowhere. There is still great continuity with the earliest things that happened in the story. There are many familiar characters, but more still come and go, but not before becoming necessary parts of the full tale. It's not like Star Wars where it feels there's about 2 dozen characters with names in the whole universe.
And the last thing I'll say is in spite of all this, it still does stuff just for laughs regularly. It knows it's a story primarily for young boys, and despite being one of the best loved anime/manga ever, it doesn't take itself all that seriously. It's a damn fun time to read and watch almost every bit of it with few exceptions. The stuff coming out now is as good or better as it's ever been.
Like anything else, it won't be for ever single person out there, so if you don't like it, you don't like it. I saw a few random episodes on Toonami in the 90s and was WTF is this random stuff then. It is a weird thing to dive into the middle of, and a lot of it is outright silly. But I had people at work keep telling me I'd like it, I finally gave in, and I was hooked from the first chapter.
Tomb raider.
Or, wait, capitalism. Damn that's not a franchise, too bad.
One Piece. I was interested in it (the manga), but it's way too long.
Honestly, I stopped reading after
The power creep just got way too out of control for my liking, and while I know that the power creep always existed, I feel like the adventures before showed how you can tell a good story without just brute force. Plus, even with their superhuman abilities, their struggles still felt relatable. And with what happened before and right after the aforementioned turning point, it felt like that would be left in the dust.
That's just a barrier of entry though. I've never seen anyone read the whole thing and then come out thinking it was just a waste of time. You either enjoy it or give up.
One Piece is kinda different from other long shows because it's not being stretched artificially, but in a more natural way. Like, comparing it to Dragon Ball, it's not a case of "and now we need to find the 7 dragon balls again" but a case of "turns out that finding 7 specific items that may be hidden anywhere in the world is actually fucking hard". In that analogy, the story is at the "we just found out who has the seventh" stage. So now all that's missing is getting that last one, making the wish and seeing the outcome of it.
The first segment of the series was quite linear, but after some point each country they visit has its own story, almost like an Isekai. Some of those stories are incredible, some are extremely boring and others are just fine. Then once Naruto and Bleach ended, OP kinda shifted into trying to absorb the fans of those two series and it became a lot less interesting to people who enjoyed only OP out of the big trio.
like an Isekai
You could not have found a better phrase to make me hate One Piece more. I was ambivalent before, but I loathe isekai in all its forms.
Half-truth take. It's not stretched artificially in the fashion you describe. It is still rife with artifical stretching. Rife with filler. An absolutely obnoxious amount of screaming. Several minutes in each episode wasted explaining what happened last time. And so on. It is garbage that needs to end, but for those who absolutely want to dive into it, I'd at least recommend canning the anime shit and just read the superior manga.
Pokemon
It will actually be a sad day when Fast and Furious eventually ends. No more Family jokes. No more wacky titles.
I've been watching the Fast and Furious movies since the first one. And I actually look forward to how ridiculous each one gets and how it's going to top the previous one. I know it's been time for it to end for awhile, but I will actually be kinda bummed when it does.
Can’t wait for “Fast & The Furious versus Frankenstein”
Fast infinity: fastest family 4: shaw's laundry, Hobbe's social contract - Istanbul Traffic Jam
Isekai title
You take the good name of Star Trek out of your mouth.
Star Trek needs to be taken away from Paramount while it still has a good name.
In addition to the three you outlined,
As a moderator of !lv426@lemmy.world, I disagree with the first two. As a fan of both, I FULLY disagree.
I remember watching Detective Conan in the Mandarin dub as a kid. Don't remember much of it now. I looked it up recently, and apparantly it has been running since the 1990s? Still ongoing... yea I don't trust anything that runs for that long, probably quality of the story went downhill if I had to guess. I have no idea how it's even possible to run a concept for 2 decades+ without it eventually getting repetative and boring. I was curious about what the ending would be, but it never ends.
Don't wanna watch something that goes on forever.
SpongeBob, Simpsons, Family, American Dad
I genuinely thought all of these stopped what the fuck
Doctor Who.
It doesn’t need to end. It just needs new blood. For the last 20 years it’s been exclusively run by a group of people who all used to hang out in the same pub in the 90s.
Let’s have a year or two of someone young and talented shadowing RTD to learn all the ins and outs of producing such a difficult show, and then let them loose.
It needs new blood but keep RTD far away from it. He is garbage at both story and character. I think he is responsible for more that 2/3 of all the fart jokes in Doctor Who.
I think it needs to go back to serials. Give stories enough time to setup problems and them actually solve them. The Doctor just magics hits way out of problems these days.
Literally all long running franchises. There is a clear downward trajectory over the lifetime of franchises. It doesn’t have to start immediately, but goddamn if it’s not true for everything. Go out on top. Don’t go out floundering about the lower-middle (at best).
My most radical opinion is that every story ever created should be made to end. And continuing any story past a well-made ending is a crime against storytelling.
We should have a law where sequelising a story that already reached a satisfying end incurs fines that quickly escalate into insane amounts of money. Redirect that dosh into funding actual original art.
Spiderman.
IDK if it's still popular anymore or just tax write off slop, but definitely Scooby Doo.
I would have absolutely been in the minority back when it came out, but as someone who grew up watching it through reruns on Boomerang, I personally like some of HB's other attempts that didn't stick better.
As the lyrics to Running Under Water by Pain goes:
Me and my friends get no respect.
What does Scooby do that we neglect?
Currently the SC franchise is pretty much a walking corpse with the extremely formulaic plot of "the gang loves xyz and are going to see them/experience event" with little to zero prior showing that they care. Perfect example is literally the KISS crossover movie that came out maybe less than a decade ago. A basically dead band that's been out of the spotlight for a long time and a franchise that went creatively bankrupt decades ago are a perfect match for each other... Except they had to suddenly transform the gang into KISS fans for anything to make any sense.
Edit:
I think it's actually called Running Under Water and not Jabberjaw...
James Bond
I think flipping the question creates more hot takes. Except for the series with self-contained increments, most "popular" long-running franchises just need to stop. Not necessarily close the franchise completely, but just let one thread end and create a new one.
Videogame Time
Call of Duty
    
Battlefield
    
Modern Warfare
     
Uncharted
      
Assasin's Creed
       
Dark Souls
       
Tombraider
       
Final Fantasy
       
Tales Of
      
Zelda
       
Street Fighter
      
Mortal Kombat
       
God of War
       
Deus Ex (pretty much dead already thanks to Square Enix doing a shit job)
Very hot take indeed lol but Dark Souls has already ended.
Ah, my bad. Guess they'll just churn out Elden slop for awhile.
I watched Karate Kid Legends and good god I hope they don't do any more Karate Kid or Cobra Kai.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say South Park.
They're just terrible satire. Even when they have a clear target for their satire instead of making fun of everyone in the episode, they get the freaking message wrong a lot of the time.
Like the wall-mart episode. What's the big baddy? Is it the economies of scale, and that allowing massive companies that get every benefit from that scaling compete directly with mom and pop shops? No, it's the customers who like convenience and low prices!
They're just ... shit at their job most of the time. The first couple seasons are waaaay better because they're just stupid juvenile stories having fun for the most part. The more political they attempt to get, the worse their satire gets, and I'm someone who generally agrees with what they're attempting to make fun of. (with many glaring exceptions, like directly calling the act of cleaning up the environment and using green energy "gay", making fun of trans people, etc)
They're seriously just... bad satire that ultimately only succeeds in normalizing being rude to each other.
If nothing else, I like how directly The Matrix Resurrection lampshaded this. Thomas Anderson’s game company is forced into making a sequel to their Matrix trilogy by Warner Bros itself, and provides infinitely conflicting corporate views on being completely original and yet repeating the source material.
They couldn’t escape the sequel trap, but they could at least draw attention to it.
For shame for you to say that Star Trek has run on too long.
We need messages about cooperating to create a classless, moneyless society of benevolent people now more than ever.
A what?!?!?
Hell, even Star Trek’s hope for the future would do all of us a bit of good right now.
Just remember in ST humanity went through WWIII, a nuclear war before all the nice stuff.
Feel similar for Star Wars. I gave the sequels a few shots but ultimately don't really care about them. However, the transition era between the Republic and the Galactic Empire echoes what is happening in the US this second.
I was (re)watching Clone Wars around the start of the year while making plans with my partner to leave our friends and flee the country. The way the Jedi Council treated Ahsoka towards the end while ushering in an era of fascism hit especially hard this time around.
They did her so wrong and then tried to say it was her final test. Such a cop out! Surely with all your sense of the Force you should have known she was innocent. But they didn't see a Sith Lord right under their noses, either...
Please tell that to CBS. (or who ever the hell runs these hellscape conglomerates these days and owns ST)
Paramount these days innit?
SNW is, like, almost there...
Maybe, but I feel like the lore has become too large for the property and a reboot would be beneficial for the series.
How many reboots do you need?