Sometimes people like to complain about windows and iOS
Sometimes people like to complain about windows and iOS
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But like - use Linux?
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Then complain about it
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There's only so much incessant removed I can hear about dark patterns, intrusive automatic updates, shoehorned-in and useless AI, zero user choice, planned obsolesence, and being blindsided by enshittification before I say "just try using the free thing that doesn't have those problems".
"I've tried nothing, and I'm all out of ideas." If you have to for work or something, though, I totally get it and encourage the removed.
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They literally pointed out that a lot of the people saying this kind of stuff may genuinely be unskilled when it comes to computers in general.
Why is it "trying nothing" when the other option to get up to speed enough to use Linux is to basically be taking some college-level courses on the side of their every day life just to be able to use their device appropriately?
For people who aren't tech savvy at all, "Ain't nobody got the time for that!" is a completely fucking reasonable response to being told they need to go learn a bunch of shit about some subject they could give a rats ass about.
It's like telling someone who has a law degree and works 50 hours a week at a law firm that if they want more control over their car they need to take some courses on automotive repair so they don't have to deal with an annoying repair shop. As above, ain't nobody got the time for that!
Literally every Linux nerd seems to forget that this is specialized knowledge that not everyone has dumped skill points into.
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I gave my grandma a Linux, she had no idea. All she needed was a web browser that didn't feed her ads and give her issues. Fedora with KDE was super simple for her to figure out how to use and actually had better accessibility features for her. And it was free.
Linux is actually pretty noob friendly nowadays. And if you don't want to mess with it yourself, you can buy computers with Linux preinstalled today.
I get that sometimes people just want to complain and not solution. But like, using windows and other surveillance capitalism adjacent products is a path to fascism so like...maybe people should just, critically evaluate their problems and think of solutions every now and then?
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Not everyone knows how to, or is physically able to, cook food, but its pretty rare for people to get angry and offended if someone tries to suggest a recipe to them. People do that a lot with computers though.
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You don't have to know much. It'd be like convincing somehow to learn to change a tire. Yeah you gotta figure it out for a sec, but it's not a whole as master class or anything.
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Not defending the behavior in question, but Linux nowadays is MUCH simpler to understand than Windows or MacOS. It is by far the easiest operating system to change to, and the easiest to learn if you are somehow not familiar with any. From a user standpoint it's the least "techie" OS now (aside from mobile OS of course).
What you describe about "needing to take courses" was true ten years ago, it was probably true three years ago. It is just simply not true now.
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Yea, so this whole argument falls apart with all the easy beginner distros. They're out of the box easy to use and require minimal computer skills beyond knowing your password, how to use a mouse, and how to use a keyboard. Drivers may not be perfect for everything like your gpu, but if you're using a GPU you probably have enough vomputer skills to google why the driver ism't working.
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In 2025, you (in the general sense, not @SnotFlickerman specifically) are not entitled to be unskilled and removed about it. You are being made to care about how to properly deal with technology, because you cannot function in society without some baseline level of computer literacy.
Don't like it? Go live in a fucking shack in the woods, like the Unabomber.
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may genuinely be unskilled when it comes to computers in general.
I do not accept this idea that people are so unskilled at computers they can't install Linux, and are so immutably so they can't get better.
Like yeah sometimes you have to ask for help or watch a YouTube video. That shit's free and right there.
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We need some repair cafe type setup where linux nerds get to set up linux on people's machines.
Nah, it will never work. Grandma Esthel is gonna get Arch Linux on her 20yo machine and everyone is gonna be unhappy still. -
I feel like so many people are basing their opinion of Linux on outdated ideas of what it can and can't do.
There are distros that are incredibly fucking simple and stable. Easier and faster to set up than Windows.
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So get skilled.
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I hear you, but in a lot of these cases the people with complaints are not competent. Anyone who has worked helpdesk or adjacent has seen boatloads of 'em. Imagine I'm an oldie or fool or even grew up without electrical power and I barely know how a computer works. I don't really want to work with them and I think turning the monitor on and off is a reboot. Windows is horrible with all this bloat and AI and so much confusing shit but usability-wise it makes some sense I guess. I could do with a change but I can't do anything confusing or outside of my limited range. I'm probably not installing a good distro. I am not partitioning a drive. I am not creating a bootable USB. What do I do?
The only option here is to have them go out on a limb and buy a machine online pre-installed with Linux or have someone else set it up, right?
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What do I do?
Not literally, of course. But if you don't have the baseline level of skill to exist in a technological society without being absolutely reamed by predatory corporations and other scammers and also refuse help to learn how to defend yourself, at some point that's a "you" problem and you deserve to fucking lose.
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Just don't hire incompetent people then
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The year of the Linux Desktop doesn't happen when people shut up about Linux.
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You can empathise without being self righteous about it.
Oh, that sucks. I haven't had that problem, as I don't use windows.
You could be a Mac user, you might use Linux. Who knows. You're still making them aware there are other options.but often when people tell you to ditch windows for Linux, they are suggesting a huge migration for a small problem. The issue with windows is the hundreds of small problems and the privacy.
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Hail
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Kal Ort Por
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Just use Linux.
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A danish heritage moment.
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I use Arch by the way
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Do you have a few minutes to talk about our lord and saviour, Linus Torvalds?
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Allow me to interject for a moment to talk about our holy father Richard Stallman...
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Every professional Windows admin feels this in their bones. I hate Windows and Microsoft more than most of you ever could. Still gotta work with it unless the CIO gets the green light to rebuild the whole company's infrastructure, commission at least one enterprise solution from scratch, and probably get fired in the process.
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I'm genuinely shocked out often windows drivers have issues. Fuck you HP your services are not worth the money but you got upper management hooked.
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I still remember all the time I sunk trying to remove candy crush soda saga from the enterprise windows 10 image I cloned to all office computers back when I worked IT. That shit was basically a part of the core OS.
I did in fact get fired shortly after rebuilding all the on prem servers to be linux and introducing Linux mini-PCs which could be used to rdp into windows cloud pcs.
That was the last time I had to work as a windows admin so it was great to get fired and move onto full time Linux work.
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It's the nail in the head all over again
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How this same conversation can sound to non-technical folks:
"my boyfriend left his dirty socks in the living room AGAIN."
"Well maybe you should switch boyfriends"
".....what?"
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Did Lemmy just compare using a computer to domestic abuse... really...
That's some out of touch bullshit. These are not comparable on any level. I get this is a meme section for Linux, but it's some out of touch bullshit.
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The funkiest part here is a lot of big tech keeps acting more and more like an abusive partner.
Gaslights you regarding your desires and choices, tries to get you to stop using any other service so you only use theirs, demands increasing amounts of ad views/dollars in exchange for decreasing quality of service, makes it intentionally difficult to leave etc.
So while comparing the choice to not install a new OS on your computer to an abusive relationship is weird, there's also some parralels that are getting even weirder
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Isn't Microsoft slowly pushing its fist into your ass?
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I have a fundamental problem with this attitude. If you recognize there's a problem, and the problem disturbs you, and you CAN fix it, why not fix it? It's not world hunger, it's a computer for God's sakes. Maybe I don't want to hear people complain about problems that are 100% within their control and refuse to fix it.
Not about GNU/Linux. Just my thoughts on complaining about simple problems with easy solutions.
Edit: typo
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Literally read the post and just decided to ignore the two examples huh?
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If you recognize there's a problem, and the problem disturbs you, and you CAN fix it, why not fix it?
Because if the fix for any particular problem is to learn a new OS, that's a steep cost for things that can just be minor annoyances. If you're in Lemmy, chances are you're comfortable with nerdy shit, and not everyone is.
On top of that, Linux has its own quirks, so it's not a panacea. There's no easy way for me to change scroll speed on a track pad in fedora/gnome, for example.
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But using Linux is not a solution, that is the whole point of the post. Why can't you read?
I CAN NOT install a different OS on my work computer because I do not manage them and NONE of our company software works on Linux.
I'd get more use out of it if I just smash my computer with a brick than if I switched the OS to Linux.
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Oh look, I found someone who didn't read the post
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Boss told me I couldn't use EndeavourOS because "it doesn't work with M$ InTune".
So I said if I could make an old unused laptop work with that setup, maybe the company could turn that into a pilot system and we could be more sexy to new developers we want to hire.
Boss said why not. IT said sure, here's your laptop, have fun.
A few months later, a couple of devs have switched to Linux. Some have kept Windows. Some didn't care because they have Macs. Everyone's happy, we have more options, and everyone can choose what they subjectively feel is the best tool for the job - which is what professionals do instead of fighting.
And we actually hired a new dev who uses Linux.
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Boss told me I couldn't use EndeavourOS because "it doesn't work with M$ InTune".
That's technically not true, it will work but with the caveat that Intune will show the device as non-compliant for the OS itself. If the OS version isn't included in any of the applied policies then it shouldn't matter.
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You're right, but I did manage to make the device show up as a compliant Linux laptop in their Intune UI, and that was all that mattered to them.
They don't care that you have to make Intune think the distro is Ubuntu when it's in fact EndeavourOS. Some necktie people were satisfied with the result and devs can now use Linux. Après moi, le déluge.
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The fediverse is definitely a “I use Linux, please clap” kinda crowd.
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Whereas Windows is the clap.
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You're absolutely not wrong.
But I'm still gonna clap.
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More like the "if you use STILL use windows don't removed about it because weve all been there and are over it" community. Like i dont know what it is with windows users that you all wanna have your obesity support group and complain about your problems to everyone but then get pissed off when people say exercise and eat less. Thats not even a good example because theres plenty of reasons beyond a persons control why they might be obese. But i bet even the people with thyroid issues get annoyed when the guy who eats ten cheeseburgers says "my knees hurt all the time and nothing helps"
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I don't use Windows.
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For real tho
Your comment also made me realise just how many posts I have seen complaining about non-linux users not using Linux, but how few I have seen complaining about using windows or w/e. Was the same on reddit and the same here now.
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Yeah, I have had several people automatically assume I use Windows, and I don't as my daily machine. I couldn't give two flips about MS, really.
I don't even dislike Linux. But a lot of these users here, man, just woof. A lot of these folks will point fingers and say Mac people are all Mac zombies and that's bad, but then turn around and kiss that grainy photo of Linus Torvalds where he's standing in front of an old, shitty computer.
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Found the windows user
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Nope.
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Sir, this is a
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use linux
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People trying to shame us encouraging people switching to a OS that respects our privacy from the shit show Microsoft has become makes me roll my eyes every single time.
We pass so much of our time in front of a screen. Why not do it while retaining our freedom as much as we can? Sure, if you must use it for work, it is what it is, but Linux is definitely something worth learning using no matter what your technical level is.
If you can navigate through Windows with some degree of confidence, you absolutely can use Linux effectively. You can go full GUI no problem if you want to.
Linux is so easy nowaday. Yeah, some niche things might require some digging around, but that's nothing compared to the bullshit you have to accept from Microsoft.
If it's not for work, I'm sorry but use Linux or stop removed. The correct answer will always be don't use the trojan OS.
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I learned more in 3 years of using Linux than I did in 20 of using windows about how pcs work
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Ill shame you all because most of you come off as complete pricks about it. Its very rarely presented as an answer, and more of a boast. Like using linux makes you a big brain, and using windows makes you a dumb dumb. Theres a hostility in the exchange. An implied superiority, or in some cases, and outright stated superiority.
See also, people who say "Just buy a Toyota" whenever anyone complains about their car. Because no one ever had any issues with a Toyota in the history of the brand...
If it’s not for work, I’m sorry but use Linux or stop removed.
You really think anyone is listening to you anymore after saying that?
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If I have to see you whining about windows, you have to see me shilling for linux.
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This but without the /s
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If i have to listen to people complain, then they can listen to the rational and obvious solution to their problem. It doesn't add anything of value you say? What value is there in your complaining? If i have to hear you removed about something thats easily avoidable im gonna call yout out for it. It goes both ways.
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I can removed about win11 all i want. The only machine that runs it in our house is a laptop i've debloated and have to keep my hand I professionally as i support it for my job. "Use linux" is not a fucking solution here
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Yes everyone can do whatever they want, thats the point. You don't get some special privilege that makes you immune to people offering you their opinion though. And id think you'd be as sick of the problems with windows and the people who actively choose to keep using it as anyone else.
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And why do you need a debloated win11 machine when for example win10 would be sufficient or just Linux?
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There is more value in complaining than there is in giving dumb "solutions".
Dumb "solutions" don't solve anything ever.
Complaining at least can lead to GOOD solutions.
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As someone who switched to linux relatively recently... It's not a dumb solution at all. It's THE solution.
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People don't want solutions, they want to removed endlessly and have a horde of strangers agree with them. Then they can also removed about nothing improving!
People in my life get the benefit of "are you looking for solutions or are you looking for empathy?" Randos on the Internet don't get to use everyone else as free therapists.
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Yeah, if you want me to hear your endless removed, you at least need to invite me for drinks (or potluck, if you don't drink) sometimes. Even then, I might just offer some advice every once in a while. A little bit of tough love is sometimes necessary.
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I'm an American worker. removed is pretty much the only benefit we get.
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You sound like someone who needs more Linux in their life. Nothing else in life gives me more to complain about.
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But sir, this is a Linux community.
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Same mood when people complain about corpo media
I feel for them, but they should know they are making a choice by staying
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If you're complaining about windows on linuxmemes, I'm not sure it's rational to expect no one to mention linux.
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ITT: people who have never had to learn that sometimes when someone complains to you they are not solution oriented, and it genuinely just feels good to share something wry/ridiculous to bond over.
It's a good skill to pick up, folks. Definitely comes into play in relationships.
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Sure, they're just venting, but I just wanna talk about Linux all day. I'll listen to their problems, treat them with respect and understanding, but you better believe I will also squeeze in a little special interest sauce on my side of the conversation sandwich.
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I fucking love Linux so fucking much.
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It's not about the nail!
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There's a good ted talk for that: https://youtu.be/lg48Bi9DA54
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Damn, that actually was a wonderful talk, thank you for sharing.
To anyone who bristled at my earlier comment - if you're looking for a solution, this video lays out a foundation for the different types of conversations folks can have, goes over why it's important to differentiate between them, and gives concrete action items to take. It's also just a well paced, riveting ted talk, to boot.
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Thanks for the link.
Great video.
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Be honest with yourselves; How many of you actually read this post and tried to make even the slightest effort to see where OP is coming from? The reaction to someone who's view was "Yes, I already know Linux is great but it can't be installed on my work PC so saying use Linux isn't actually helpful" being "I'm not your fucking therapist" is absurd. Do you believe there is truly not a single valid reason to use windows whatsoever?
I know it seems like it's not a big deal. You go online, act a little mean, and that's that. I love the internet, but unfortunately our poor use of it has cultivated a society where we no longer try to understand each other. I know people here are smart, even the ones I disagree with. So I really don't get the over the top reactions to a bland statement.
We create the world we live in through every action we take, no matter how small. Telling people they don't have the right to vent frustrations just to feel better isn't a kind thing to do. It's divisive to your own communities. If you want to live in a better world, be a better person. I feel like this is all just indicative of a much, much larger problem in society. It perfectly captures how callous we have all become. We forget somewhere on the other end of the screen there was a person with a valid perspective and point.
I know it comes across as preachy, but I am horrified by the state of the world and desperately want things to change. But we can't even behave ourselves on a dumb post about an operating system. And some of you want to talk about changing our economic structures when the real problem here is that none of us seem to have interpersonal skills anymore. I know this is just a very small example that ultimately doesn't matter much, but I see this kind of behavior everywhere for things that really matter.
Maybe I'm too soft, but being unnecessarily rude is nothing to be proud of, being unnecessarily kind is.
tl;dr: take a good long look at yourself and ask if you are giving the same level of understanding that you expect to receive from others (and you should expect it!)
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What if someone who's never heard of Linux reads the thread and misses an opportunity to hear about Linux?
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Even those who don't know about the works of our lord and savior Linus, can still end up in Windows 11. We must spread the Good News so that as many as possible can be saved.
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unfortunate but they will have other opportunities to hear about it. also, we should kinda treat things on a case by case basis on whether to let people vent their frustrations and move on or to offer solutions. but I'm pretty sure if someone is talking about their frustrations with windows online, they already know about Linux
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This is a false equivalence. OP's post is saying that nobody, ever, should try to suggest Linux as an alternative to the problems- ethical, moral, or technical, with windows.
And your stance is 'Well that seems about right, because there might be a post or two out of dozens or even hundreds that's slightly mean."
My man, that has nothing to do with anything.
OP's post is basically saying "I want the internet to be all about me. I don't like seeing people suggest Linux, it should go away, I don't want to hear about it, and everyone should do as I say." and that's not a stance that should ever be supported.
You say 'are you giving people the same level of understanding you expect to receive from others' and it goes both ways. Guess what, I don't want to hear about people whining about how much Windows sucks ass for the hundred thousandth time when there are easy, better alternatives that they refuse to use. I'm not sitting here asking to be the main character of the internet though and demanding nobody ever talk about Windows problems ever again because 'they know what Windows is' or some nonsense like he is.
Like, I get the stance you're trying to come from here, and it's a laudable one, but you're falling for the old trick of 'well, different views from mine can be valid! We should consider them equally!'
And that's true... up to the point where that view is trying to quash other views. That's the only view you can't consider- is a view that attempts to eliminate other views. Paradox of tolerance (or contract of tolerance) in action. Used for a far sillier thing that usual, granted.
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and before anyone says, yes I know it's just a silly Linux post but I see this kind of behavior everywhere and I'm tired of it. It isn't exclusive to silly Linux posts, it's a general mindset that seems to bleed into everything.
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You raise a very good point. It's important we remember some more empathy and understanding when we turn toward the internet.
I think one of the biggest drivers of this problem is how all of our social medias and news constantly funnel us into context collapse. Even this post that we're commenting on. These posts of screenshots from other social medias are basically always more fuel for the context collapse fire.
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The reaction to "I'm not your fucking therapist" being "Do you believe there is truly not a single valid reason to use windows whatsoever" is just as absurd IMO (though some of these threads show that, yeah, some people think that).
The scenario described by OP is they're just complaining about something about Windows/iOS/whatever just to vent and these people come in thinking they're being helpful by mentioning an alternative. I've come to find that there's 2 (relevant) personality types; people who complain because it's cathartic, and people who complain because they want their problem solved. Linux users are overwhelmingly the latter. So, from their perspective, they see someone who is complaining yet expects people to just sit there and listen, hence the "I'm not your therapist" comment.
I don't think any of that is new, except for maybe the OS part. As a kid I remember seeing a bunch of interactions like this and it's always been much more a personality than a culture thing.
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True. I can say for certain that the community is the biggest dealbreaker for Linux for me.
I just don't want to be even associated with some of these mouth breathers, let alone call me one of them.
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you are also being divisive! we can criticize people's behavior without resorting to name calling and saying we should have nothing to do with them. They have their problems but I'm sure they are good people. Even good people are capable of doing bad thoughtless things sometimes, it's not black and white.
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The Linux community on Lemmy is not this at all. They're all super helpful.
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ok so a couple things for the people in this thread:
- sometimes, when people complain, they don’t want advice. they just want to vent their frustration. that’s ok. your advice is just gonna come off as annoying, especially
- if they’ve heard it a billion times already. and trust me, if you’re on the fediverse and complain about windows or macos, you’ve heard "just use linux lol" before.
- holy shit stop doing victim blaming. this goes for everything btw. like. stop. "lol your fault for using windows" shut up. if you’re already doing victim blaming for trivial stuff, i don’t trust you for when much more serious problems arise.
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You're not a victim for using windows, you're a consumer. "I cant stop using windows because i have stockholm syndrome don't blame me" is like the most unhinged take ive heard so far and is super disrespectful to anyone whos actually been a victim of just about anything.
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These are decent points, but if you would use Linux you would not have these problems! You would have different problems, but somehow blame others, like why didn't make X decent drivers for Linux, or why am I still forced to use Teams...
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My takeaway from point 1 is to rephrase my advice as a complaint:
"Man, it sucks you have that problem with Windows. I've been struggling with a computer problem of my own actually. I've been getting really down down thinking about all the Windows users out there who just have no clue about how the power of Linux could change their lives for the better"
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This makes you sound like a Jehova's witness.
The main problem is that linux people are politically linux people, their morals and identity are strongly attached to their OS choice, and they have no social skills.
You can advocate for linux to windows people all you like, you just can't be annoying. A lot of linux people are really fucking annoying.
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"I just want you to listen, stop trying to fix it!"
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Its not the nail
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More like "stop suggesting things that we do not have control over"
It is like suggesting switching to a parallel dimension just because you don't like the color of your shoes.
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Love how the post and comic are about listening to others and don't try to troubleshoot/solve their problem and 15% of people are like "absolutely not".
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More like 50%
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If people want to vent they should preface their rambling. Please most of us are on the autism spectrum.
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Its a hard balance to strike but suggesting linux does actually add something. Linux does not have a marketing team. People need to find out linux is an alternative somehow.
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Yeah, the original post gives a false dichotomy. It's possible to sincerely let someone vent about Windows/iOS and also suggest Linux tactfully.
Responding "use Linux noob" on every post isn't helpful. But chatting with a coworker and hearing them out, then sharing about your own experience ("yeah, I finally got so fed up I tried Linux. Turns out it was super easy and I'm glad I switched!") is helpful and adding something.
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Just lead by example. Use Linux silently right in front of them, in public even. Make lingering eye contact as necessary.
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Yeah, suggesting Linux to every computer problem makes users want to stay away from it.
Very good marketing, no wonder the year of Linux is around the corner.
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Time to start responding to Linux posts with "Just use Windows, lol" xD
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There are a fair few troubleshooting things I've seen where I could have smugly pointed out a clever way Windows avoids the same problem or an easy way it provides to solve it, so it doesn't even always need the lol at the end. It's just an annoying thing to see when you're already annoyed at a disobedient computer, unless learning the technical details would be an interesting distraction, so should be saved for when you know your audience and know it's interesting.
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Whine all you want, doesn't mean I have to listen to it - especially if you're not going to listen to me.
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I think this almost articulates how I feel about the whole thing. Absolutely, the world will be a better place once everyone moves to Linux, but the Linux community sometimes has a hard time with not coming off like pedantic, high horsing assholes.
Not saying there's not great resources or welcoming communities out there, but the just use Linux crowd doesn't look like any fun.
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The inverse of this should also be true. Just because my game occasionally takes a minute to get set up as I try one or two different versions of proton doesn't mean I want to be told to switch to windows so I can get my data mined further.
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"Install this bloated spyware in exchange for a little bit of convenience" is like 80% of modern tech and I don't know how people are just ok with that
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Too fucking bad. You are not entitled to complain if you refuse to help yourself fix your problem.
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Complaining about how you think other people shouldn't be allowed to complain is wild. Yes, actually we are all entitled to complain from time to time. And we should, it's good for us to vent. I hope you are able to break away from that horrible mindset, you should feel allowed to complain.
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Some times you can't fix the problem but need help to work within. Or work around. And how much have you done on your own. Without help. Not one little bit with something your not a 100 percent versed in.... Fuck off.
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Most people are capable of doing quite a lot on their own, even in subjects they are not "100 percent versed in"
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I'm not these people's goddamn therapist and I'm not being paid to validate their whining. If they come to me with their complaints and then don't care for the response they get, they can fuck off!
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See also: white liberals in the US
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Maybe they were perfectly happy using these OSs before some stupid new feature was introduced
They should know, it's only going to keep getting worse
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replying with "use Linux" to complaints about iOS is especially funny to me
me omw to install Linux on my iphone
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You know what? That's a fair point. After all, if they're happily running Linux they're no one's problem. If they're unhappily running Windows, they're Microsoft's problem.
And I like Microsoft experiencing problems.
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Ok but have you tried linux?
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Sounds like something that would be fixed by using Linux. Can't reply "use Linux" to you if you're already doing it. And now, the fun begins, because you have an issue, already use Linux, and those smug posters now have to help you, but you can't really tell what a distribution is, or what the message was, and typing commands is really obscure so you're becoming their rock of Sisyphus of online tech support.
Note: the above is an exaggeration of a lot of things. Be mindful of others.
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Yep, but if you complain and try NOTHING else what do you expect people to answer with?
If i answer with "try linux" i do it for helping you, also, you can ignore my reply too and go on, sometimes i even get insults or mockery for answering questions about Linux, i don't get why people need to be rude about this.
Sorry for the rant
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People are lazy. They don't want to put in any effort at all. They just go "well I have nothing to hide any way" or they get mad at the person calling out their laziness. Happens all the time. People get mad at vegans, Greta Thunberg, Cyclists, Linux Users, etc.
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If you only count "installing Linux" as trying something, then maybe don't comment anything on the thread because it isn't for you.
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I never said that i count only Linux genius.
If he also tried BSD, BSD derivates, or other OSes then maybe they have to try more or idk
Maybe they want to try TempleOS XD
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It's often literally the only solution to the thing the person is complaining about
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Wasn't this used to be most famous republican rhetoric as well?
"Economy is getting worse but taxing rich is stupid and minimum wage is stupid and stopping monopolies is stupid so we should just not do anything instead."
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Conservative ideology is essentially:
Just leave everything the way they were when I was born, regardless of whether or not improvements can be made.
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Yeah ok, so use linux
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No no, don't recommend Linux to a Mac user. Suggest other kids toys, like an etch-a-sketch or something.
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This is a bad take. MacOS is still a unix based system, and is much closer to Linux than Windows. It even comes with bash and zsh shells.
The predatory pricing and business practices are a different topic, but the OS will feel right at home for most linux users.
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I have no love for Windows (and active hatred for Apple), and I highly value much of the features, customizability, open-source culture, and anti-capitalist aspects of Linux. But it's not perfect.
I'm a software engineer. I part pick and build my PCs. I've worked in IT. And I manage my home networking and automate my self-hosted media server. But when I tried fully switching to Linux a few years back, I held out for a few months, but it just wasn't worth the hassle. My PC had an Nvidia graphics card, and I had no choice but to use a wifi dongle at my previous residence. Support for both was an after market hack job that needed constant maintenance. It was just annoying, my monitor's resolution just dropping to 480p and the internet cutting out until I reapplied some patch job.
If I had built my PC with Linux in mind, I would have done it differently. And I'm sure that I'll try again with my next PC when I can pick compatible hardware. But my point is that I'm far from the layman and still didn't stick with it the first time. The average computer user doesn't need a project, doesn't need highly customizable everything, and doesn't care about open source. They need things to just work. And I know the problem is the lack of Linux support from major tech companies, which is BS. But that means that Linux simply can't provide that stability and just work for a more casual user. So it is not the best option for most people.
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I tried switching to Linux twice and both times I got hit with problems I was unable to fix even with help. So, even though I hate Microsoft, I'll stick with Windows for now.
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I feel you. Some devices just don't have linux support because Microsoft one way or another owns the company that made the device... Drivers are a removed.
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It was with my normal PC. I neither have the time nor the interest or the technical understanding to start troubleshooting when something will inescapably fail and the only solution I find is in English full of stuff I don't know.
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Third time's a charm.
It's wild to me how difficult switching can be when so many devices come with Linux and people don't even think about it.
The Steamdeck is more stable than any windows gaming PC I've had; Android phones are rock solid, less prone to issues than a PC; Chromebooks work forever without getting malware, and receive updates for more than a decade; but try to DIY it and you're in the fire swamp of driver issues.
Have you tried Mint? It usually just works. Atomic distros are also looking pretty promising, they're so stable and recoverable.
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Lmao, this post is about you. Literally.
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I've installed OpenSUSE on a dozen pretty much computer-illiterate people's computers. They had zero issues so far. The brand-new OpenSUSE Kalpa even updates everything automatically in the background, which saves two clicks a week.
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I'm somewhat computer literate. Used Linux for close to 15 years, but I'm a user, not a wizard level or ricer. Currently running OpenSuse tw on my laptop. So last month I did your normal distribution upgrade and everything broke. I honestly don't know how computer illiterate people would deal with that. Turned out new kernel broke my system for unknown reasons and I had to switch to stable kernel instead. It wasn't easy for me even with forum help. For some people it would be impossible.
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I wish I could use Linux on my work laptop.
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If you want to complain about your OS but are not open for alternatives then don't post your complaint. You are not adding anything
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Personally, It is not that I’m not open, it’s that I don’t have the time between work and household. And most of my problems are my work computer/services, which uses cloud everything…I have no control over that. Otherwise I wouldn’t know what to start with. I still need to connect to those same cloud services when I work from home. I really only turn my computer on to play things on steam or have 3 monitors for my spreadsheets. What do you suggest?
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Did you even read the post?
Some people can't switch to Linux, whether it's some games that require wine (fuck UWP apps), or using it on a work or school computer, they have to use windows.
Even if someone is just more comfortable with windows and would like to stick with that, its best to leave them.
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I endure Windows on my work computer because it's not my computer. I also don't like when people complain about solvable problems and contribute time and money to a company that should have been forcibly liquidated in the late 90's.
tl:dr use Linux or I will crawl into your bedroom and suck your toes while you're asleep.
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tl:dr use Linux or I will crawl into your bedroom and suck your toes while you’re asleep.
But I want to use Linux.
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I will keep pestering people who complain about Windows to install OpenSUSE instead.
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I never used to tell people to install linux but I'm now convinced the correct response to windows complaints is to salt the wounds of windows users.
Everybody should be salting the wounds of microsoft users until microsoft stops enshittifying everything it can reach or buy.
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I'm with you.
My own feelings towards people are: if you don't want solutions then shut up.
I give my SOs free rein to complain tho because sometimes that is the solution.
No one I'm not intimate with gets that privilege though.
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Does cuds work on opensuse? And is installing it... well. Is it like everything else?
The one reason I haven't distro hopped to open side yet is that I'm worried about nvidia drivers and cuda. I haven't looked into that whole thing at all yet tho.
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Ah yes, get everyone's attention by complaining but punish those who try to help. If you wanna complain and not get a solution, do it offline.
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Yeah it's tiring. It seems especially prevalent on Lemmy, way more than I've ever seen anywhere else for some reason.
Like, I use Linux for all sorts of things, it's great, but there are plenty of situations I use other stuff in too. Open your mouth around these folks though and all they say is "hurrdur use Linux".
Very helpful my guy, thanks xD
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You know whats also tiring? Hearing people whine about easily avoidable problems that only occur because they insist on being tethered to a corporation that likes nothing more than fucking them over for profit. Whats the use in your complaining? Its fucking annoying. If you insist on using windows despite all available evidence at least shut the fuck up about it or learn to live with the people who think you're an idiot telling you so.
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This just reeks of right wing anti-intellectualism. People actually offering solutions are vilified because they're sometimes rude or annoying. Grow up, and learn to ignore people you want to ignore. Not everyone will bow down to your whims. You wanna complain, fine, some will respond with solutions. If you don't want that, ignore them. It's not very hard.
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Says the person complaining about the fact their unsolicited opinions are not always wanted
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By that reasoning, everything on the Internet is unsolicited. You complain and someone provides a solution. You should thank them for that!
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I hereby solicit SexualPolytope's opinions about everything
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"Sometimes people just want to complain that the hot stove burns without being told to not touch it.
If the obvious reply to the post is 'take your hand off the stove', as a rule, do not post that. You are not adding anything."
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You are not adding anything.
The desktop share statistics say otherwise
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but... use Unix.
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But why wouldn't they just use Linux? Are they stupid?
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I'm looking at the issues that I face with Linux, which mostly are related to companies not willing to make drivers, nor allowing other people to make open source drivers..
Then I look over my shoulder and see people working on windows, and I just know that my problems are nothing
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This actually kills the average Lemmy user.
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openBSD
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I hope not that they are computer touchers...
please...
I just to want be safe and alone with my computer...
Oh no, who's knocking at this time?
Its the ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKyPtnuh8bM
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use linux.... please
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Been a while since I've actually used it (like, a decade or more) and i could not in good conscious recommend utilizing the google ecosystem, but for the average person chromeOS is plenty. Easily locked down to keep grandparents relatively secure, basic office software in a browser.
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You probably wouldn't need to have these incorrect opinions if you just started using Linux already.
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It's not about the nail https://youtu.be/-4EDhdAHrOg
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Maybe it's a work computer and it's not their choice.
Than complain to IT, not to me.
Maybe they're not a computer toucher and do not have confidence touching computers.
When someone tells you to install Linux and reply that you don't know how, they're often willing to help.
Maybe they were perfectly happy using these OSs before some stupid new feature was introduced.
That is a perfect reason why they didn't have to use Linux, but do have to use it now.
Maybe they're tired or stressed or have no time.
In that case, they're probably not a gamer, which is the best reason not to switch to Linux. Also, when you buy a new computer, it is probably faster and less stressful to install Linux, than Windows 11 (assuming you want a usable win11, with most spyware disabled).
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I'm not going to complain to IT for a company policy change that essentially bricks my computer since it won't be able to use the company software anymore.
And they are not complaining to you, they are complaining to the internet.
If your only answer is "use Linux" then keep that dumb option to yourself.
Unless you enjoy getting answers to change to Windows every time you complain about some driver breaking on Linux. But I doubt you do.
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Sir, this is a meme comm.
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Depends if the criticism is constructive, or asking for advice, or just a rant.
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It is a work computer and it is not my choice.
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My fiance always tells me how much she hates me complaining about things and not doing anything to improve it, and i think that's a fair point. She has had to continuously tend for herself, fighting health care, education system and society to get by. And that really made me understand that complaining without doing anything is both priveleged and stupid. I have more respect towards others than trying to force Linux down their throats, but just complaining and ignoring a solution, even if all the circumstances line up perfectly, is just dumb. Complaining is justified, not doing anything or pretending you can't is not. That being said, the Linux community is obnoxious and, in many cases, has the worst case of superiority complex, although i do believe we have gotten way better at that and are way more welcoming now than before.
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She sounds like a right cunt, mate. You can do better than someone who makes you feel like shit over your own issues, just because hers are/were worse. And dont use the word "privileged" in that context. It make you sound like every other cunt on the internet trying to shame people.
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use trsdos
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I think the problem is worse. People tell me I should hate Microsoft and should be complaining. I'm no fan, but its just part of my life. Its got issues, but rarely does it interupt the busyness of my life. I'm ambivalent about Microsoft. They are not very different from the vast majority of global corporations.
I'm going to say this clearly, this comment is not an invitation to tell me how I should hate Microsoft.
Right. I spent the last several hours trying to get a mixed batch of Win10, Win11, and Win10-upgraded-from-8 computers to talk to a printer and had just about enough of this argument. If you want a pissing match of who can be the biggest dick, take it to Twitter.
Locked.