Proposal to defederate from maga.place

I'm reminded of a story about a bartender, who immediately kicked out a Nazi simply for entering the establishment. The Nazi wasn't causing any trouble. But the rational was that once you start allowing Nazis in "because they're nice", they'll start inviting their friends, who might not be so nice. Now your bar is a Nazi bar, and they become much harder to kick out because "you already let us in, why do you have a problem now?"

Nazis (and fascists in general) use the same tricks as narcissistic people, by holding you to your words because you believe in words. They don't, so they happily trample all over you once you let your guard down.

Nazism, by definition, is hateful and violent ideology. Maga is following in their footsteps. They have no place in this world.

What their homepage looks like...

Defed that nonsense please

Why should users of this instance spend their leisure time with people who not only want to take away their rights, but label themselves as such? A label that tags their user name regardless of what they're saying.

Why should we, as users of this instance, ever allow someone who visibly declares their support for hateful politics, to engage with the most vulnerable among us in the first place?

MAGA policies are killing women. I'm a woman. I see someone calling themselves MAGA and I see someone who supports stripping away my autonomy and letting me die.

Everyone can join as many instances as they want if they believe defederating from hate speech enthusiasts is creating an echo chamber.

Defederate. Let the right-wingers have their echo-chambers in isolation

I haven't seen any evidence of their users consistently violating rules of other instances, I've only seen intolerant communities on their instance. That should not be grounds for defederation, we should only defederate if their instance refuses to deal with reported abuse from their users.

So I'll vote no on this. While I very much disagree politically w/ that instance, I don't think that's enough to defederate.

I beleive we need to debate that filth and fight them everywhere. However, if I want to do that, I can always create a user somewhere else that allows me to do so and not pollute this instance. I want this instance to be a nice place that I can show to people as a good alternative to reddit and other social media platforms wihout puting them at risk of being brainwashed by fascists. In short, I support to defederate.

I say no, just like college, the point is to expose yourself to the enemy, learn what they say, or otherwise you're just existing in a bubble

I don't know her Mariah smile

But honestly, if someone has an account on that instance it's probably good for them to be able to read posts and comments on other instances. Of course once in a while that will lead to some trolling and individual users will be banned. If that's too much then the whole instance should be defederated. But I don't think it should be preemptive. I see more potential for good than harm.

Things that should be preemptive: accessibility, codes of conduct.

Let MAGAs read and engage with reasonable content as long as possible so long as they aren't dickheads. You never know when someone will say something that makes them rethink their position.

Please defed them if my vote is allowed.

Come on, isn't maga.place a Russian information operation? It's not founded by MAGA people, but by a foreign power whose goal is to pose as MAGAts in order to expand the gap within USA's population.

Okay I had to think on this one a while. It seems like their community is microscopic. There really is barely anything there. The stuff that is there isn't even really offensive or objectionable just conservative. I do get what people are saying that we need to fight facism everywhere but I tend to err on the side of more speech unless I see evidence of harm coming from a community so I will vote nay but I also don't think there is going to be any loss if people to vote to ban it as there is nearly no posts on there or discussions.

I believe in an open internet so my vote is no

as long as they're small and not annoying, it's better to keep them, so ppl can influence them

Users can defederate from instances. Just use the tools you already have.

are you being affected by them?

ooooh i also love banning everyone with an opinion that differs from mine. I do it in all my communities. Cleanse the nonbelievers! Purify our echo chamber!

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Purify our echo chamber!

Purify our echo chamber!