Republican party right now
Republican party right now
Republican party right now
A growing number of people are getting really comfortable with the idea of being literal Nazis.
Well, not like it changed from before ww2. Well, maybe it did for the next 2 weeks.
That's not true at all. For roughly 70 years, being fully fascist was very much a fringe thing that you'd be shunned by normal people for. Even the most callous paleoconservatives would categorically shun any Nazi or other openly fascist person.
Then decades of gradual and accelerating rightward drifting of the Overton Window (for which the Democrats' ineptitude as the SUPPOSED opposition party bear a lot of the responsibility) and normalization of outright lying as a political strategy inevitably led to a fascist demagogue like the Mango Mussolini and now fascism is the new mainstream "conservatism".
Naziism is just an ideology that appeals to some common instincts, which becomes an issue when enough of them are in precarity that they warm up to making the ideas policy.
It doesn't make for a very good state. Incompetence and nepotism rises to the top. Data driven science is tossed aside for ideology-driven rhetoric. Officials govern on vibes resulting in famine, plague and war. Also the country turns into the very kind of shithole it accuses other nations of being.
Eventually, you have bombers from rival countries blocking the the sun over the capitol. International tribunals exercise judgement and enforce their law, since the nazis failed to provide rule of law to their own. Children pick up pieces of the trainwreck.
And we learn (or fail to learn) once again why we don't let the fascist autocrats take over, even when they are very, very rich.
We in the US have a choice: clean up the mess early, or let China clean it up for us. And China will make us jolly sorry if we make them clean it up. We'll be their buggery removed for a century or two at least.
Unrelated, but this is my brother's favorite quote.
Alas, this doesn't only apply to republicans. You'd be surprised how much everyday people casually believe in eugenics/phrenology/other nazi related pseudo-science.
And when pressed: "I was just joking!"
Like that guy at a party who continually "jokes" about butt sex to every girl he meets.
In regards to eugenics, some may have some parts where they disagree on the definition of terms. I'm not talking about people believing Idiocracy was right on the premise,nor those who say there should be licenses to be a parent. Those are both eugenics or eugenics lite imo.
However, you can get genetic testing to see if your child might have a debilitating condition. Now first to lay out my ... Bias? I don't plan to have kids and therefore don't feel pressured to have a firm opinion on genetic testing. I do support abortion rights. However, some may define choosing to abort because you learn your child may have a debilitating disease or a very painful life to be eugenics, while others may not agree.
There's also people who believe in gene editing before birth, like the (disgraced iirc) Chinese scientist who tried to use CRISPR to prevent AIDS transferring from mother to daughter (nevermind the fact we have drugs to do that anyway). I think broadly speaking editing gene sequences could be considered eugenics, but some may disagree.
if the republican party was a cereal, it'd be Oops, all nazis!
As the saying goes,
Not all Republicans are nazis, but all nazis are Republican.
In recent years, they are in leadership positions more and more often.
So you have to dig your head further and further into the sand to still call yourself a Republican without being a nazi. At a certain point, which I'd say is in the past, you've got yourself a nazi bar. Because even when you're not a nazi, if you ally with them, you may as well be.
Like how Mussolini wasn't a nazi and Franco wasn't a nazi.
The worst part is that stormfront doesn't even look Aryan lol
well neither did Hitler or pretty much anyone else at the top.
Yeah, it's a made up thing that never happened. also it literally means Iranian, so.. fucking confusing today that Hitler made up a fanfic race for a language group that were not very district from all other neighboring people that hinged on them being Iranian somehow.
More like "They don't like what I have to say, but they're not actually listening because they love the words Nazi and fascist."
It’s like racism, to them being called a racist is more offensive than their racist actions. They want to be racist Nazis, but they just don’t want us to call them that
The bad thing is that they are right about 50% of MAGA ... the other 50% of MAGA dont mind using the word Nazi.
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unpopular opinion; I believe in the value of definitions of words. I'm not republican (shouldn't matter) but by bending definitions of words like "nazi" - you're diminishing the people who went through the atrocities of WW2
Kind of similar to how you shouldn't say "rape" for something that isn't. in effect you're diminishing rape victims
"nazi" literally means a member of the far-right National Socialist German Workers' Party. Fascist pigs? No doubt. Just don't change history...
It is an unpopular opinion because many of them display swastikas and other Nazi symbols, praise Hitler, uphold the same supremacist beliefs, and have way too much in common with the Nazis. So calling them Nazis is accurate. It's not really bending the definition.
If it quacks like a duck...
Seems like your discomfort is showing. Might want to tuck that back in.
We have people in power who explicitly want to exterminate minorities (see those leaked text messages) and we have a sizeable population willing to trust and empower those people. It's not bending the definition to call them Nazis.
They didn't build Auschwitz the day after Hitler got appointed chancellor. They built up to it. I don't know how you can look at a government that's literally building and populating concentration camps with people who haven't broken the law and clutch pearls about calling them Nazis until they scale up sufficiently. The best thing you can honestly call them is proto-nazis.
Good Samaritan
Lesbian
Barbarian
Plenty of words we now use today started out referring to people in a specific time and place.
Further, what's the use of remembering the horrors of the Nazis if we don't recognize the early warning signs of those same horrors today? The "National Socialist German Workers' Party" was around for over a decade before they started the holocaust. It seems like too little too late to wait until the genocide begins to start drawing parallels.
“They’re not Nazis unless they’re from the Nazi regime of Germany. Otherwise they’re just sparkling Fascists.” -you.
But then, by your own logic, we can’t call them Fascists either, since that term was made to describe Italian Authoritarianism.
Fascism describes the rhetoric used to prop up autocracy. It's the propaganda portion, and leads to genocide campaigns and wars.
Mussolini might have developed fascism so it was admired by industrialists who wanted to control the masses, but it wasn't his alone.
Wile I respect your point of view here, you seem to be missing the fact that Nazis didn't just go away at the end of WWII. Many former Nazis ended up in powerful business and political positions post-wwii, and the ideas maintained popularity with the people the were popular with. This transitioned into neo-nazi-ism, white power skinheads, Aryan Nation, Aryan, brotherhood, modern German AFD part, the 3rd wave of the KKK, countless militia movements, and on and on and on. These all have a direct lineage with the actual Nazis from WWII. When we call these people Nazis, it's not because we're being hyperbolic about their beliefs, it's because they are Nazis.
Just to expand on the last bit some more: World War 2 was (approximately) the early 1940s. I forget what the official dates are but it wasn't a bubble and there was lead up and ramp down afterwards.
1940 was 85 years ago. So for someone to be a child with meaningful memories of the time puts them closer to 95 right now. For someone to have actively fought (late teens), that gets to 100. This is WHY basically any reputable WW2 historian will have some variation of "I was fortunate enough to talk to so and so before they passed" because... the odds are very "good" they did.
Which contributes a lot towards why we see such a resurgence. All the olds who actually experienced it are dead and not around to say "the fuck is wrong with you".
Most people mark the start of WW2 with the German/Soviet invasion of Poland in September of 1939, but I would argue it actually started when imperial Japan invaded Manchuria in 1931.
In theory you are not wrong but you ignore that language evolves, in modern times it means someone agrees or at least sympathizes with NSDAP ideology/ideas and no "they don't hate Jews so they are different" is not an excuse Nazis back in the days only chose Jews because they were a minority and could be blamed for everything.
"I do have a Nazi streak"
The US is nothing like Nazi Germany, the Nazi concentration camps had trains.
You: "Calling people klansmen just because you don't like their beliefs or opinions belittles what blacks went through. Racist? Sure, but don't change history"
Guy in a Klan hood beside you: "yeah what he said"
I disagree with hyperbole, too, however, they're praising Nazis, arguing for an ethnostate, and following the Nazi playbook to dismantle democracy: that's pretty close.
Did all "nazis" actively do crimes against humanity? Whats the bar they have to hit to be a nazi? Put on a uniform? shoot a roma? say non-aryans are sub human? You want to draw a bright line between national socialists and racists, I'm not going to stop you, but I think nazi is just short hand for bootlicking people who enable the dehumanizing of others at this point in time.
What word would you prefer?
Really? It doesn’t also extend to people who follow their beliefs, have power in government, have literal Nazi tattoos, and are installing far right fascism throughout the world as we speak? Are literally seig heiling at political rallies?
Like sorry son, but I don’t just think you’re wrong here, I think you’re so far off the mark you’re hitting Jupiter with that shit.
I suppose you believe the Democratic Peoples Republic of North Korea is democratic too.
Go home, grammar Nazi, your ignorance of how linguistic usage determines meaning is showing
I agree with all the other comments in this thread. And I would also add that Republicans modus operandi is closer to to German nazis than Italian fascists.
Fascists used violence, an open coup and support from the existing monarchy and government to gain control. Nazis tried the same thing first and failed miserably so next they ran elections and slowly subverted parliamentary democracy to gain the same control. Once they had enough support in parliament they ramped up the violence of the SA militias (equivalent to ICE) to gain a majority and be uncontested.
Nazi was a derogatory term used against the national socialist party but was eventually embraced in defiance. Let's not change history and make nazi some kind of honored title.
Where does the meaning come from? God? Are we in a video game where someone programmed words to have specific meaning? I never understood where the root authority comes from. Many people are using Nazi to describe fascists but if you can't derive meaning from how people use words... where does the authority come from?
Well, you're a fucking idiot.
I think you're getting the downvotes (and I think I saw a few others mention this) because your argument is rooted in the word keeping the exact definition it was historically created in.
People who 'simp' for China are not 'Mao apologists' but that'd be a fine enough term for me to understand exactly who, in the modern day, is being insulted.
In similar fashion, no, existing fascists in the republican party are not literally National Socialist German Workers' Party members, but they DO have a lot of similarities to the values and actions we have distilled down over the last 80 years that we attribute to 'Nazis'.
So, no, they're not Nazis, but to call them such isn't to 'change history...' as you put it, and is instead a means of identifying extreme and harmful beliefs with an existing, demonized (for good reason) label to accent the severity of their beliefs as they compare to modern sensibilities related to freedom.
They downvoted you because you became a Dictionary Nazi, the Grammar Nazi's even less-liked younger brother
Shut the fuck up.
I mean, that character was a literal Nazi though... Like from WW2
Ooof.
Yeah, I prefer fascist autocrat to make sure people know I'm not fucking around. But nazi (lower case) is a fine shorthand. Neo-nazi almost suggests we're talking about a non-mainstream movement. MAGA if I want to be specific.
I refer to NSDAP when talking about the German Worker's Socialist Party that wasn't really all that socialist and got a lot of funding from Benz and Bavarian Motor Works, and had no small thing for Wagner's version of the Wotanic mythos.
Nazi, just like fascist has become an almost generic insult to hurl at people who want to enforce rules, you don’t like.
This goes back to the original Nazi times even. The German communists labeled the social democracy as social fascists for years. Of course the social democrats and communists ended up in the same concentration camps later on.
Trumpism is working towards more authoritarian tyranny.
I agree it’s sometimes overused but looking at the current leaders of the Republican Party and comparing their views and actions to the definition of fascism, do you really think it’s not accurate? And if so what are the main differences in your view?
What in the fascist apologism? Buds pull the fucking head out of your arse.
The showwriters for The Boys had to get this explicit for right-wingers to get the picture.
And they still didn't get it.
Stop making my show about an alt-right villain with a god complex polical libruls
At this point sarcasm does not work. It just makes them think you agree.
This. None of them caught the obvious Stormfront name, nor can they see that homelander and his fans are analogous to Trump and his supporters.
I'm 100% sure they think Homelander represents out of control leftists.
Is that what this is a screenshot from? I thought this was that journalist who’s married to the state legislator in Idaho. I want to say Susan in the evening? Not her?