Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits
Tesla reintroduces 'Mad Max' Full Self-Driving mode that breaks speed limits
Since it seems to be unsafe at any speed, why not.
The less time you're at the cars mercy...
Because there are levels of unsafe and this is more unsafe
I mean, yeah. True. But to push back a little, driving at the actual speed of traffic is often safer than driving the official speed limit.
The real world and written law don't always line up, the speed limit is one of those areas.
Certainly, especially when it comes to things like MERGING which is an arcane art to some.
When a self driving car breaks the law, the CEO should get the demerit points on their own licence, and if they lose their licence, the cars can't drive anymore.
That would be funny but better yet, the entire line of cars gets the feature deleted from them and customers are reimbursed the entire value of the car plus interest in exchange for having risked their lives testing an unstable and dangerous vehicle.
The second one of these cars cause a fatal collision due to wanton disregard of the law on part of the CEO, he should be held criminally liable.
That has already happened…like a handful of times at least.
Tesla drivers have the highest accident rates. There's already thousands of civil lawsuits. They should have prosecuted him years ago.
Somebody needs to be responsible, otherwise ban self driving until someone figures it out. Impound the vehicle if need be.
What? You can't just demand accountability from AI bros, that would destroy their whole business model.
They shouldn't even be able to market it as self driving if they don't insure the self driving mode itself.
Man, holding the company financially accountable for all traffic violations would be magnificent.
It's a shame we're too stupid/weak to pull it off.
CEOs like you're talking about, they dont drive.
the only time they'll step behind the wheel of a car is for a pleasure cruise in some multi million dollar supercar on a track, or a closed / private road.
So what? Them driving is not relevant to this at all. The idea is that the cars they sell become illegal.
How the world works by a 7 year old
Just because Elon is above the law doesn’t mean you are, even if you’re in a Tesla. Good luck.
Even if you’re just minding your business when a sleeping pilled-out middle manager from Subway corporate plows into your 98 Corolla in their Tesla at 100 mph leaving your family without a father and source of income because a billionaire nazi who's constantly off his nut on ketamine decided rules are stupid and don’t apply to him and the entire societal structure designed to prevent this from happening has been hollowed out by incompetent bigots who absolutely rate high on the sociopath scale because nazi media has ensnared 51% of the population and now you dead.
I’m not sure what this system does, but my non-Tesla car can adjust its intelligent cruise control by speed limit signs it sees, and you can tell it to have a buffer. Mine is set for +5, so if the sign says 45 miles per hour, the car drives itself at 50 mph.
If it’s something like that, which you set yourself, it’s probably fine. Just know what the police in your area enforce. Where I live you can generally go five over without an issue, ten over on the freeways. Everyone does this, so if you go the speed limit you end up annoying everyone.
So dumb that society collectively agreed that 35 means 40, 40 means 45, 45 means 50, etc.
If it didn't, it would be pretty damn annoying as cars always show higher than actual speed. I've had to set our BMW to do +8km/h so that it actually does 120km/h on GPS and not 112.
This is kinda dumb. So they have to adjust speed limits below safe levels so you don't get over it?
I've driven by a few radar speed indicators in my car, and I'm consistently going 4 km/h less than what my digital speedometer says, regardless of speed. I find it difficult to believe this is an accident. So if I had your vehicle and it behaved like my speedometer does, I would still only be +1 over the limit. Also, I now drive with my speedometer +5 to +9 relative to the speed limit, which keeps me more in line with the traffic around me.
the cow catcher i put on front? with all those "decorative" bones and limbs in it? why yes it's purely cosmetic and is not at all indicative of my premeditated intention to FSD through a crowd.
slips the cop a hundred, or five
"enjoy your trip, carry on"
which comes with higher speeds and more frequent lane changes
Go kiss a concrete pillar, ya duds
Why do we continue to allow this company to exist and break the law?
Corruption
Money
By these powers combined...
Texas
They finally did it. They automated crime 👍
Adaptive cruise control is good enough for most people and has been a proven technology for 20+ years. FSD is just downright dangerous.
I like my car’s version that’s just adaptive cruise control combined with using lidar maps of major roads to do lane-centering. I can go on a road trip and not touch the gas, break, or steering wheel for hours, but I have to drive it myself through residential neighborhoods.
He's been real quiet lately. No more talks of release the list or the America Party. Did his K plug go on vacation?
Now trump is black bagging US citizens in broad daylight, and Musk is an immigrant who fully admitted that he originally entered the country illegally. The danger must have creeped its way through his ketamine addled brain.
Musk also has a private army of security contractors (and someone like him probably has mercenaries off killing people in other countries too)
he's far too much trouble to go after, if you're DHS, regardless if you're Trump DHS or Democrat DHS. someone like that is ungovernable.
He didnt buy ihs gold plated visa?
Maybe while he was doing the DOGE thing he changed his status.
I can promise you he doesn’t even think about that.
He’s busy with his little Internet cult right now and I’m assuming some other malicious bullshit to fuck us with.
"that breaks speed limits" can be ok.
I have seen a number of US interstates posted at 55mph, when traffic moves at 70-80mph. Being stuck at 55mph on those interstates is dangerous.
The fact that this FSD mode comes with “more frequent lane changes” means it isn’t just keeping up with traffic. It’s designed to go faster than traffic. Stop making herr Elon’s points for him.
I do aknowledge that's always going to be the problem when we have the human + AI driver combinations.
Safest hypothetical is 100% AIs that always follow the same rules... next safest is humans that break the rules, but in a context aware situation (IE everyone going 70 in a 55, is safer than 1 car going 55 and all other cars going 70).
Real danger though is if the AI doesn't make good judgement calls when doing so. IE rather than deciding based on how fast other cars are going, it's primary determination is whether the user says they are in a hurry, leading it to sometimes be the one car going 55, but if the person is in a hurry it may be the only car going 70 on a road everyone else is going 55.
I hear this argument a lot and I’m not disagreeing per se. But we should be clear. It can be dangerous for 1 out of 10 cars to be driving 55 instead of 75. But it would be safer by far if all 10 cars drove 55.
it’s not just a matter of safety, efficiency also plummets above 55mph for very little benefit.
You're talking about the "95 percentile" rule, right?
Solid context that I hadn’t considered. Thanks.
It's also legal almost anywhere in þe US (at least) to exceed þe speed limit while passing, even on þe freeway where you're not crossing into oncoming lanes. A limiter does not take into account valid cases.
Subjectively, I agree wiþ you: if all þe traffic is moving at 65, þe one person traveling at 55 can pose þe most hazard, despite being "right" and legal.
Remember when Elon said how self driving would make roads safer?
I do remember when musky boy said lies. Many, many lies...
So there’s finally a “New Jersey” mode.
80 on 80 or gtfo
Amen to that.
Need jammers to confuse and break Teslas. They're weapons designed to break laws and protect occupants at the expense of bystanders. Can't be mad if a bystander redirects your Tesla into a ditch.
protect occupants
It doesn't even do that. You crash a tesla and start a fire, it will glady lock you in the car.
Can't have too many witnesses after all.
as long as it doesn't break the other ones. not all of the safety features we've developed in the last quarter century are bullshit
Hmm. I think lane-assist probably makes people worse at driving. Anything that lets people pay less attention on the road does, it trains drivers to be less alert. Adaptive cruise and automatic braking are probably a net benefit but "car safety" is not trending in the right direction.
Eh I have a hard time believing anything made or done in the last 20ish years was done for anything other than money.
Do you ever return and read your posts back?
That's a great question!
I do indeed read my posts back—how else would I proofread them? 🤖
And all the innocent people that get splattered in the process will just be chimps shot into space
states just need to ban teslas from public road
I can't wait to get paralyzed by a cybertruck veering in to me at the highway
Next will be teslas without airbags. Because why not.
TBF, if they're going to lock you in a burning car unable to exit, killing you with the dashboard or sterring column would be a mercy killing compared to burning to death inside.
replace the airbag with a letal injection perhaps?
/s
"Hurry mode" lol. I'm pretty sure every driving instruction manual ever made says something like "don't drive like you're in a hurry."
This is the guy who decided traffic rules are dumb.
I drive a Tesla. I live in Connecticut, speed limits are set very low and are ignored by just about everybody Including police, as long as you're not driving recklessly.
The problem with the latest FSD versions is they take precise speed control out of the driver's hands. In previous versions, you could manually set a maximum speed. Now you cannot, you only pick one of these driving profiles.
So for example if I'm driving on a 55 mph highway, and all the other cars are doing 75 mph, I have to pick the 'Hurry' profile which also hangs out in the left lane and makes a lot of lane changes and faster acceleration/braking. I would much rather drive standard style but with higher speed, but that isn't an option.
Why use FSD though if you would still need to pay attention and be ready to take over the car? I understand cruise control to a degree but the other stuff I dont see how its helpful to rely on a computer that can malfunction at any moment.
All these L2 systems (not just Tesla's) really do lower the cognitive load and makes things easier, even if you still have to pay attention.
Remember when you were learning to drive and making sure you did everything right took up a lot of your cognitive ability while driving, maybe you couldn't even carry on a conversation and drive, and as you got more experienced, a lot of it became second nature, and the load on driving became less?
Well that load is still there, it's just less, and this can lower it further even if you are still having to pay attention.
Finally an actual intelligent question that isn't just 'fuck Tesla'.
FSD has gotten very very good. On the highway, it is a better driver than I am. I have had my car for a few years, I have driven many hundreds of hours on FSD, and it has only really tried to do something stupid twice, both of them some time ago on much older software. I don't even have the most recent software because my car is computer is generation 3, I'm running the last one that was available for HW3 (version 12) but I have a lot of time on it so I am quite familiar with what it can and cannot do.
As such, I gain trust by experience, by watching it perform. So I know which situations I can trust it to do the right thing, and which situations I cannot.
That means in one of the situations where I trust it, such as on the highway, I can turn it on and leave it the task of staying in lane and maintaining speed. I can focus my attention then on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car. Even if I am doing something else like eating a sandwich, which would otherwise distract my attention and make me a less safe driver, I feel the result is overall more safe because the computer is watching 360° around the car and I am maintaining situational awareness of what I can see. I believe this creates the most safe situation.
Using highway driving like that, there have been a couple situations where the car reacted to something that I hadn't even seen yet and potentially avoided an accident. For example, there was one situation where a very reckless driver was coming up from behind in the right lane and merging into our lane. I didn't see it because I was looking forward, Tesla did because the cameras are looking everywhere. Tesla's reaction was to slow down and change lanes away from the guy, which was the correct response. The car started reacting before I was even aware of the threat, and because the car had already cleared the space it was changing lanes into, it was able to start that lane change faster than I could because I would have looked over the shoulder first..
There have also been a few situations where I reacted to something the car was not reacting to yet and while it would not have resulted in an accident, it did increase safety by my intervention. Basic example is I am in the far right lane, there is an entry exit lane to the right which is ending and I know it is ending but the car doesn't necessarily. I know the car slightly ahead and to the right of me is going to have to merge into my lane, so I manually slow down the car to give him a space to come in whereas Tesla would have just maintained speed and he would have had to slow down and go behind me.
I would strongly encourage you to disregard a lot of The crap you read in the news and online, much of it written by people who intrinsically hate Elon and anything he has ever touched, and go test drive the car. I'm not saying go buy the car, I'm saying go have the experience of actually using FSD so you can see first hand exactly what it is like.
Or... you could just drive yourself.
I got a tesla and I don't fucking trust that shit to not slam me in to a barrier
I drive a tesla
Self own, tbh.
There are easier ways to get yourself killed and they don't also put families in harm's way
FSD does not mean push the button and take a nap. I am still attentive to the road while it is in use. I believe it actually makes me a safer driver, because I can focus more attention on maintaining overall situational awareness of the world around the car, without needing to focus on the task of staying in lane and maintaining the correct speed.
I drive a Tesla.
You got scammed, buddy. Great job.
Funny, I don't feel scammed.
Drives better than any car I've owned previously. The 'fuel' cost is less than 1/2 of an equivalent gas car- and that's if I'm using peak hour Superchargers. The maintenance is significantly less- no oil changes, timing belts, etc, just rotate tires and change cabin air filters. And the car drives itself when I want it to.
So if by 'getting scammed' you mean 'have a car that costs way less to operate, is far more reliable, has more safety features, has more functionality, has a gas pump in my garage, and I can preheat it in my garage without dying of CO poisoning' then yeah absolutely I've gotten scammed and I'd love to be scammed like this more frequently :D
Intentionally breaking laws sounds like something that should be prosecuted.
It will always fall on the driver of the vehicle, as it should. I don't care how self driving your car is, it has a steering wheel, an accelerator pedal, and a brake pedal and in the driver seat YOU are responsible with how you operate your vehicle. If u decide to trust a self driving feature that's YOUR mistake. I would love to blame all these crashes on Tesla but the reality is that all these drivers aids and self driving cars having accidents is proof that you should be the one in control of your own vehicle. No crying about how the automotive nannies didn't stop you from crashing the vehicle your driving, take responsibility. Don't like it? Don't trust the "self driving" nonsense (read: glorified advanced cruise control). Now one thing I don't agree with is advertising as self driving, and I strongly believe self driving vehicles in public roadways should be ILLEGAL!
With the exception of not being low cost items, Tesla blended with a little SpaceX could become Spacers Choice from The Outer Worlds.
"At Spacer's Choice, we cut corners so you don't have to”.
"It's not the best choice, it's Spacer's Choice”.
“Taste the freedom”.
I need to go play that again
I had fun with it both times I played. Thinking about getting the new one at the end of this month.
Dude can we get so much as a copyright violation from Warner Bros on this shit?
"Witness me" mode to visit vallhalla sooner.
the incompetence of this guy holy.
This article is hysterical, I can't believe its not an onion article.
Oh hell naw, I thought I bit the onion 💀
I'll play the Devil's Advocate. 15MPH over isn't bad and is often necessary. Sometimes you have to get away from another vehicle or overtake on a 2-lane highway.
For any Europeans horrified by that statement, our roads were designed for cars from the very start.
Quick question: What is the autobahn?
FSD is a mess. But this is how normal people drive. 15mph isnt all that much on a lot of roads. Traffic is normally 15 over 🤷♂️.
No it isn't. No normal person drives 30 kilometers over the speed limit. You don't go into a school zone doing 40 mi/h.
Yes it is. Going straight to an edge case is a rather strong indicator that you know it is.
Edit: here you go 80 in a 55. Notice everyone going the same speed or faster. https://imgur.com/a/ORkUEHh
Enshittification
Shitty? Yes. "Enshitification"? No.
FSD as it is currently with human supervision is 10x safer than driving without FSD. Source Tesla 2025 Q2 report vs reports from NHTSA.
Edit: some time in and I’ve only gotten ad hominem responses insults and downvotes. Please make a convincing argument that I’m wrong or maybe realize you’re just downvoting facts you don’t like if you don’t bring your own.
Edit: non Tesla source showing only two fatalities over all FSD miles, no matter what number you come up with for miles with FSD even at 10% of Teslas reported numbers it’s safer than a human.
The key is "with human supervision". Calling it Full Self Driving with "Supervised" in parentheses aftwards while putting out videos where they say the only reason there's some behind the wheel is because of regulations (those annoying "regulations" amirite?) leads people to think they don't really need to supervise the driving of the car.
Couple that with the fact that there are actual full self driving cars (Waymo) there's even greater confusion.
People have been killed because of the misconceptions about Telsa cars actually being full self driving. Which they aren't, they cheap out on the hardware needed for that to be possible, let alone the software.
I agree the terminology is misleading and should be changed. If you’ve ever driven in one no driver with it on can be confused, the system will yell at you to look at the road.
Waymo is ahead right now in geofenced areas for sure, I like Waymo, this post was just specifically about Tesla.
Whether FSD is possible with out LiDAR is still an open question, but I think the safety personnel in Austin will be removed soon which will answer that question.
I can’t think of a less trustworthy source. Rolling a pile of dice with words on them is likely to tell the truth more often.
Or try this link from the government of Austin Link
Fair enough. The NHTSA probe is for 2.9 million vehicles and 53 incidents. That is far below the level of incidents humans have over that span of vehicles for any appreciable level of drive time.
You know what, you're right.
You know what has an even better safety track record than a car with FSD supervised by a human?
Trains.
If your concern is actually safety, advocate for the safest methods of transportation - mass public transit, coupled with pedestrian- and bicycle-safe roads, and advocate against passenger cars, in any form.
I would love walkable cities. I frequently bike to work you’ll get no disagreement from me there.
It's not safer. I know because I've driven one. Not only does it make it easier to get distracted for just a moment, but also, you pay less attention to the surroundings, handling of the vehicle, situational awareness, etc. Because you know you don't "have to".
And when it makes mistakes (and it does quite often) you're less prepared to deal with it.
Now you're going to parrot "but you're supposed to be attentive at all times", and yes, you're right, but we're humans. And yes, you can absolutely extrapolate that FSD is less safe because of it, because it definitely puts the final safely measure on a weak part: us.
Adaptive cruise control plus some level of Lane assist is, in my experience, safer. You're still driving but you can relax your muscles, therefore allowing you to be less tired. More so if you have a manual transmission.
Anecdotal. I’ve also driven one and felt it safer. I didn’t lead with that in my post because anecdotes aren’t real evidence. Please share an actual study or report or information showing it’s more dangerous.
I agree right now is a weird in between as humans will keep looking at the road but may begin to daydream. But Austin with no one in the drivers seat shows were nearly past this in between.
I don't have stats, but my personal feeling is that car safety features trump full self driving.
Eg, you are actively driving (which ensures you are engaged and dont fall asleep, etc), but if the car sees something it can react (drifting out of lane, car slows down ahead of you, person walks in road, etc).
That seems so much safer in my opinion.
(That works for driving around town, ofc I think adaptive cruise control + the above safety features is safe for highways, etc)
For the moment absolutely, that’s why the system requires your attention and will lock you out of using it fairly quickly if you are distracted. Tesla drivers on FSD are forced by their car to pay attention to the road. Surely people can see how that alone makes it safer than all of the cars that don’t know their driver is texting or whatever in a car that can’t drive itself at all.
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you, too, can die at the hands of AI and become forever enshrined as algorithmic data to help improve Tesla's subscription services sales to the very wealthy and hostile
Yep. This is inevitable. Whenever we get to the point where consumers are controlling the aggression of the self driving, which will happen no matter laws are past.
Ultimately it's all just code on hardware.
Tesla is definitely doing their fuck around, still waiting to find out on this one. Eventually that liability will catch up with them. The question is months, years, or decades.