Thou shalt not alter thy body? I don't remember that one

I agree, but they don't deserve to be called fundamentalists the way they revise the bible

It's either all part of God's plan, or none of it is.

Even funnier when they never took any religious studies class or anything.

I hate gatekeeping too but "it's up to interpretation" used to imply they know fundamentals of philosophy and have the necessary historic context knowledge to form opinions.

Hell, at some point they would have to learn latin or hebrew just to not have their arguments ignored instantly.

Meanwhile these people make fun of college philosophy lectures and only know history about WW2 and how germany could have "won" according to that one 4chan user.

If they heard anyone speaking hebrew they would call the police because "it sounded Arab."

Ecclesiastes 9:5 says dead is dead, directly contradicting everything about any afterlives or heaven. Christians pick and choose which parts to follow because they have to, it's literally impossible to follow the entire thing.

For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

It also goes on to say go have fun and live your life. That does not some compatible with the strict puritan Christianity most seem to follow.

Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
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Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun.

Well, why else do you think religions persist? Evolutionary pressure has selected it because it's useful.

Broad strokes... I know plenty of people who are Christians who attend church and hold very progressive views. I'm sorry that your experience with believers has been so poor. Please do try to remember that nobody talks about the person who isn't bothering anyone with their beliefs.

The verse was meant to discourage religious eunichs, as so many verses were just meant to enact a change within a group of people long ago, the entire book of Deuteronomy for instance was telling Jews a specific code to live by, including sanitation and hygiene laws. Good way to encode your culture's safeguards, bad way to ensure their future peace.

i mean it's a little outdated

but some of the lines are fire

"easier for a camel to enter the eye of a needle than a rich person to get into heaven" and "love thy neighbor" were good

maybe it's time for a rewrite

Deuteronomy more like Neuteronomy

You're giving transphobic bigots too much credit; no one reads a verse saying that eunuchs aren't allowed in the temple and infers that it's a sin to be trans.

They aren't reading the Bible and then developing prejudices based on what it says; that's not what's happening here.

Instead, what they are doing is starting with the prejudices they already have and then fishing through the Bible trying to find anything that even remotely matches so they can twist it into a post-hoc justification.

In this specific case, that verse doesn't justify their position in any way shape or form.

The only reason anyone would interpret that as condemnation of trans people is if they're actively looking for excuses to condemn them.

First off, that verse is talking about eunuchs rather than trans people, which is actually a really important distinction.

Further, that verse doesn't even say that being a eunuch is bad; it just says they're not allowed to enter the temple. which, for what it's worth, hasn't even existed for thousands of years.

Moreover, it is immediately followed by a verse saying the same thing about anyone whose ancestors (up to 10 generations back) were illegitimate children.

So, you can't interpret it as saying that it's a sin to be trans unless you also interpret it as saying it's a sin to have great-great-great grandparents who weren't married.

You're right that neither the Bible nor any other religious text is a legitimate reason to persecute people, but that's not what's going on here.

They aren't motivated by what the Bible teaches, they're motivated by bigotry and performing mental acrobatics to try to find anything in the Bible that they can somehow twist into an excuse for their bigotry.

Didn’t Jesus say he was the new covenant therefore ignore all the ancient laws and follow Jesus? Jesus himself is unworthy if you follow the Old Testament

• an afterlife that punishes nonbelievers who do good

Here’s a fun fact: that one is not in there. The Bible is consistent on that, at least. Death is death, but those who who are judged to be “righteous” will be given eternal life in a newly crafted reality. Everyone else goes back to dead.

I was never raised Christian due to my family being a mix of Catholics and Protestants who had all mostly given up on church going cept forbguberals and weddings..

The only exposure I ever gad to the Bible was reading comics of a Lego rendition of it called the brick testament. (Its actually creatively genius)

You've basically described everything i remember about it to a T

Goddamn I love that shit. You know how many times I've been told I'm wrong for being an Atheist because "the Bible says God is real!" That line never gets old, I tell ya what.

Maga men also are much more likely to take steroids and/or penis pills. And let's talk about semiglutides. For people who think modern medicine is evil, and all doctors and pills are trying to kill you, they sure are conveniently unaware of their own convictions when it comes to vanity.

The one thing brain worms McGee could have done and gotten a nod from me, and he fucked it up by throwing autism in there! Seriously though, I'm so glad my mom is as bull headed as she is and told the hospital staff to fuck off when they were pushing for that shit.

Like why is a cereal manufacturer still having us mutilate newborns?

i do wonder why trans children are their main target when the plastic surgery industry has many more people to bully

For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.

Matthew 19:12

Christian scholars condemned bodily modifications because they wanted to control your body instead.

Always has been.

He probably existed and if he did was most likely a great speaker but his stories are at least massively embellished.

It is generally accepted that there was a person that the stories of Jesus were based off of that existed at that time. He has as much (if not more) evidence of his existence as most historical figures from around that era. If we decided that he didn't have enough evidence, we would have to erase the vast majority of ancient history.

Now, that doesn't mean that stories of his miracles are accepted as historical. Those are still a matter of faith.

The Bible old and New testament is trans affirming although it has some passages against homosexuality. In fact the old testament says that eunuchs are allowed and even favored in heaven, but aren't allowed in temples. Jesus says that some people are made that way, some born that way, and some choose to be that way to serve God, but doesn't create a strong requirement to be kind to them, rather saying, those who can understand this should understand it. So both God and Jesus are trans affirming and says so in the Bible, but a man should not lay with another man and also there is a verse about a man should t wear the clothes of a woman, but I don't think that would apply to eunarchs which are not considered men or women or to have a gender.

This is actually a pretty cool loophole for gay people. If you are a bottom you could just become trans if you have to live in a religiously oppressive society. It gives at least one pathway to happiness and love, but I know there are many gay people who prefer to be masculine while also homosexual.

As a trans person I don't believe in religion myself but I do pray to God. Maybe an old habit. My idea of God isn't a skypervert, and authoritarian but more like a friendly spirit who helps people who have good hearts and teaches wisdom to those who have dark hearts, but still stay aligned with the ineffable platonic good.

Even as a child it always seemed really silly to me that a god would care about who you love or what you wore. That never made any sense to me. I always assumed God was more intelligent than your average human. People who believe those things are not really believers in my opinion. All their assumptions are obviously coming from a place of, not actually believing in God, but wanting to use it as a tool to hurt people they don't like. I see a totally different perspective. To me those people seem miserable and suffering in their own confusion and I always considered that to be justice for their own shittiness and their audacity to badmouth God out of their cynicism. God usually doesn't punish much, he will sometimes destroy, but when people abuse his name and know him not, then it's kind of fair game. They are in his debt and owe him for the trouble they cause him.

Nope, changing pronouns is compelling speech according to evangelical extremists. Oh and changing your name should only apply to last name's of women and young girls getting married, cuz we gotta keep in mind however many states still allow child marriage.

God is trans by common definition; not male or female, both, neither. God is non-binary.

They probably couldn't imagine such a thing to make it a sin. Evidence: because they totally would have.