Thou shalt not alter thy body? I don't remember that one
Thou shalt not alter thy body? I don't remember that one
Comments
49-
-
-
I agree, but they don't deserve to be called fundamentalists the way they revise the bible
-
-
Remember, God doesn't make mistakes. So if God made you trans and put you here in this time where you have the options to explore that, well... seems pretty clear to me.
-
It's either all part of God's plan, or none of it is.
-
-
Wait, this depends on how someone views it... If they're a fucking idiot with a child's understanding, a binary reality means it requires altering someones' body to transition. That's the only perspective where it's "modifying" someones' body.
If you're an adult with a developed brain and a basic highschool understanding of genetics, it's not exactly modifying ones' body, but merely influencing hormones to reflect how someone feels.
If you're an adult with a collegiate level of understanding, then people 'feeling' like a different gender is the fucking tip of the iceberg, and genetics fucking demonstrates that it's way more complex.
What is said in the bible, is that reality is more complex than dummies can understand, so leave judging up to God.
-
There were 2 big things that cover 90% of things Jesus said in the Bible.
- love people. Full stop. Yes, them too.
- don't listen to hypocrites that make up religious rules and tell you you have to obey them.
-
The other 10% includes Jesus declaring that you can’t conduct trade in a temple, and beating merchants with a whip.
-
I ain't Christian but I will happily do the Christlike act of beating a priest with a whip.
Also something I want to note Jesus made the whip meaning that wasn't just rage that was true fury that made him dedicate a day towards crafting his instrument of retribution. Which is just metal.
-
-
-
I like how dickheads pick and choose which parts of the old testament to follow and which bits of the new to ignore as suits their bigotry and hate
-
Even funnier when they never took any religious studies class or anything.
I hate gatekeeping too but "it's up to interpretation" used to imply they know fundamentals of philosophy and have the necessary historic context knowledge to form opinions.
Hell, at some point they would have to learn latin or hebrew just to not have their arguments ignored instantly.
Meanwhile these people make fun of college philosophy lectures and only know history about WW2 and how germany could have "won" according to that one 4chan user.
If they heard anyone speaking hebrew they would call the police because "it sounded Arab."
-
This reminds of a similar pet peeve - people who hate on the humanities but worship pseudo-scientific economic ideology (aka capitalist religion).
Those people need a philosophy class more than most.
-
-
Ecclesiastes 9:5 says dead is dead, directly contradicting everything about any afterlives or heaven. Christians pick and choose which parts to follow because they have to, it's literally impossible to follow the entire thing.
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
It also goes on to say go have fun and live your life. That does not some compatible with the strict puritan Christianity most seem to follow.
Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.
[..]
Live joyfully with the wife whom thou lovest all the days of the life of thy vanity, which he hath given thee under the sun, all the days of thy vanity: for that is thy portion in this life, and in thy labour which thou takest under the sun. -
Well, why else do you think religions persist? Evolutionary pressure has selected it because it's useful.
-
-
The Bible is an inconsistent mess that people can read anything into. Referring to it is an exercise in cherry-picking. It has good Jesus parts, but there's the whole rest of the morally bankrupt nonsense with evil god shit:
- vengeful god who
- commands genocide, demands worship, & creates evil
- punishes disobedience with curses, plagues, cuckoldry, cannibalism to eat your own children, slavery, infighting
- endorses genocide, killing innocents, slavery, selling daughters to sex slavery, rape, forced marriage of victim to their rapist, inequality of women
- weird purity codes against pork & shellfish; mixing fibers, crops, animals; particular facial hairstyles; tattoos; body modification; etc.
- an afterlife that punishes nonbelievers who do good
all while claiming to be the final word of god. Arguing for good while referring to the Bible requires willfully overlooking all of that: it isn't good.
-
- an afterlife that punishes nonbelievers who do good
Here’s a fun fact: that one is not in there. The Bible is consistent on that, at least. Death is death, but those who who are judged to be “righteous” will be given eternal life in a newly crafted reality. Everyone else goes back to dead.
-
I checked before writing the last comment, and it's mentioned a few times. Nonbelievers are punished in the afterlife. ::: spoiler Revelation 21:8
But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and removedmongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. ::: Only "born-again"/baptized enter heaven ::: spoiler John 3:3–5 3. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 4. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 5. Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. ::: and believers should not perish, but get everlasting life. ::: spoiler John 3:14–16 14. And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: 15. That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. 16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ::: As for those who do perish, that happens in hell. ::: spoiler Matthew 10:28 And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell. ::: Nonbelievers are denied entry. ::: spoiler Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven. ::: This all appears in the New Testament.
The older, Jewish scriptures don't mention hell. However, Deuteronomy 13 is all about Moses instructing the Israelites to murder heretics. Moral bankruptcy.
-
But only believers can be "righteous":
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:/Not of works, lest any man should boast. -Ephesians 2:8-9
-
Yep, the wages of sin being death. Not hell, not punishment, sinners merely remain dead.
-
I was never raised Christian due to my family being a mix of Catholics and Protestants who had all mostly given up on church going cept forbguberals and weddings..
The only exposure I ever gad to the Bible was reading comics of a Lego rendition of it called the brick testament. (Its actually creatively genius)
You've basically described everything i remember about it to a T
- vengeful god who
-
Well, I can’t remember exactly where but I know it’s in there somewhere.
-
"Man, how much waters did I have last night"
-Jesus (probably)
-
Jesus said nothing about people transitioning and gender, but IIRC early and medieval Christian scholars condemned bodily modifications because the body was God's creation and property and it ought to be kept intact for resurrection.
-
-
Christian scholars condemned bodily modifications because they wanted to control your body instead.
Always has been.
-
Yeah, that's basically all of major religions. Their rationale was resurrection and the rapture.
-
-
-
Meanwhile I'm here struggling to remember when exactly Christians cared about what Jesus told them to do.
-
Broad strokes... I know plenty of people who are Christians who attend church and hold very progressive views. I'm sorry that your experience with believers has been so poor. Please do try to remember that nobody talks about the person who isn't bothering anyone with their beliefs.
-
-
he can't remember because he never existed
-
He probably existed and if he did was most likely a great speaker but his stories are at least massively embellished.
-
It is generally accepted that there was a person that the stories of Jesus were based off of that existed at that time. He has as much (if not more) evidence of his existence as most historical figures from around that era. If we decided that he didn't have enough evidence, we would have to erase the vast majority of ancient history.
Now, that doesn't mean that stories of his miracles are accepted as historical. Those are still a matter of faith.
-
-
Not sure you want to appeal to the contents of the Bible. I'm sure somewhere in their fairy tale being trans is a sin.
-
God is trans by common definition; not male or female, both, neither. God is non-binary.
-
If those people could read that, they would be very upset
-
I completely agree that god came out as non-binary, in genesis, in terms of gender. In terms of biological sex, yahweh is male presenting (complete with bull horns and an oversized novelty cock). Despite their best efforts, the church didn't manage to erase all the drawings from the early yahweh cult.
-
God is not trans because he doesn't have a physical form. He could be considered nonbinary, and he does love those neopronouns He/Him
-
God is not trans because he doesn't have a physical form. He could be considered nonbinary, and he does love those neopronouns He/Him
-
-
They probably couldn't imagine such a thing to make it a sin. Evidence: because they totally would have.
-
-
We’re really stretching here to create division.
-
Removed by Moderator — Modlog
-
Cringe take that is factually wrong and out of step with modern, evidence -based medicine and research. Educate yourself before talking, otherwise people will think you're stupid.
-
Bad take. What are they forcing you to do? Say him / her instead of her / him? Oh how difficult. If I legally changed my name from Derrick to Dennis are you gonna moan at that too? "Stop trying to be someone else". Idiot.
-
You make it sound like they have chosen to be that way.
Then you claim they force people "to adhere to their madness"
Which is wrong. They want people to stop down talking their self being. They want people to accept them as humans because people can't just do that! Treating a humans like a human.
And this is what lot of assholes are against. Seeing that people who change gender are still people. Usually those assholes also don't think women are equal to men which is why people changing gender makes them angry.
-