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Is this a kill all men thing or like
A threat saying to fight back against catcallers
- Is this a kill all men thing or like
  A threat saying to fight back against catcallers
  Well, yes.
  
  Rockin' tune!

This is the worst discourse strategy. Makes it incredibly easy to shrug of feminist arguments.
This is not radical or helpful as in changing discourse and help make the world a better place. It just helps to feel very radical. Those are two entirely different goals and the left is self marginalizing and generally loosing a lot because we mix them up too often.
Also you should not censor this critique, so please don't
- I really agree with you. This kind of discourse we see here in the comments are really harmful for everybody. Men and Women might be sympathetic to feminist arguments and want to learn are pushed away by memes calling all men rapists or even dangerous murderers. Think how you would react if you stumbled into a really misogynistic online forum like some incel forum - you'll think "incels are bunch of idiots" and well, that is exactly what these memes here are doing for online feminism.
- it is either edgelord useful idiots who think saying edgy words make a fuck all of a difference or they want to let out steam because of patriarchy, or a prolonged and sustained psyop to completely discredit ferminism or to divide progressives/the left.
  I think it's both.

Is there even a remotely comfortable place for people to even talk about subjects like this without it devolving into "not all X" arguments and completely missing the point? I basically can't talk about any of my day to day experiences with sexism without fearing the majority of lemmy users. I shouldn't be fucking afraid dammit.
- !womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone
  
  Bless you kind fae.
- !womensstuff@piefed.blahaj.zone
- On the internet without curated access? No.
- I have no tolerance for insecure men who are scared of their bad behaviour ever being held to account. I 💯 agree with you.
- If 10% of the men that got offended by this shit would get offended by their mate catcalling or groping someone those behaviours would disappear in a week.
  
  How? We're not friends with those people. The Fratbro Alliance is a self contained circlejerk.
  
  Yes but then they would have to get angry at their bros, not just at bitches. It's totally different. We wouldn't understand.

- Wait I liked that sub many years ago. Did something happen to it?
  
  no.
- Just finish harassing all women off the platform.
  Or bring civilization to your garbage gender.
  Either works.

There's a graffiti on an abandoned building nearby, about 8 stories tall, that just says "STOP MEN."
Strangely, neither myself nor any of the men I regularly hang with have been offended by this or felt targeted. It's almost like random graffiti can't hurt you.

Amazing how either, so many people are missing the point, or pretending to so they can strawman the argument.
Literally all this graffiti says is that men who catcall can't do that any more if they're dead.
The point being, either stop catcalling on your own or people who have to experience that shit would love to stop you instead. It's not about all men, just the ones who catcall, so either you feel called out, you're missing the point or you're pretending to.
Which is it?
- Literally all this graffiti says is that men who catcall can't do that any more if they're dead.
  I don't think that's quite right. Very close, but not it. It may be what was meant, but it's not what it's actually saying. It's saying dead men can't do bad things, which is like saying there are perks to men dying, it's kind of a good thing. There's someone who already responded to you who clearly favors that interpretation.
  
  There are only perks to any group or individuals dying because they keep doing harmful things, if they would stop then there would be no more perks to them dying.
  Personally we do not want them dead, merely to stop living in a society where they both harm and are harmed.
  Yes, we know, but we had already blocked one such person, so we had to log out to see, we are glad we did block them because we don't at all agree with actual misandry, or other bigotry.
- or, you know, men who don't cat call and consider themselves feminists and allies? This is not hard.
  
  allies are always decided by the opressed group, not the person themselves, otherwise they can make it too much a part of their ego and start arguing with individuals or part of the opressed group when called out or in for harmful shit they are doing because they are "an ally" so how could they possibly getting it wrong!?
- Ever heard of the concept of collateral?
  Or let's take it a step further, neurodivergents who are already suffering from constant anxiety and false guilt that they feel like collateral, even if it's baseless.
  
  There's no such thing as neurodivergents, there are neurodivergent people, but saying "neurodivergents" is othering.
  We should know, we are.
- Honey, stop. Men aren't people, theyre huge bundles of irrational outrage looking for an outlet. They literally can't hear what youre saying.