Discussing jury nullification is against the ToS of lemmy.world and will get you banned, according to worldnews mod

In practice, sort of. It's a symptom or side effect of two other really good ideas:

• A jury cannot be in any way punished for any verdict they reach.
• One cannot be tried for the same offense twice if it is acquitted. Technical term for this is "double jeopardy." A guilty verdict can be appealed but a not guilty verdict is absolutely final.

The shapes of these two principles are such that they cannot interlock in any way that does not leave room for jury nullification.

Wrong. They try to filter out people who know about jury nullification, but the act itself is not illegal, as you do not have to have the knowledge to accidentally do it anyway.

You do not have to lie to the judge. There is no lying to the judge. If the jury decides to ignore evidence and nullify, the judge knows exactly why, and there's nothing they can do about it.

I was a juror in two different trials and don't recall ever being asked about my beliefs on jury nullification. It's been many years though.

Edit: it seems like I was wrong. Supposedly, jury nullification is not legal in my US state.

Edit 2: perhaps it's still not completely settled in my state yet?

Why are people downvoting this? Jury nullification itself isn't illegal, but committing perjury definitely is, which is what Maalus is pointing out

Unless the state has used all their strikes already.

... and in jail for contempt of court.

If all one had to do was utter 'JN' to get out of JD for free nobody even slightly inconvenienced would ever serve.

In reality, they dance around the fact. Ask you questions designed to get you to admit you have no 'valid' reason to nullify if you did, at which point you are either guilty of lying under oath or contempt of court.

You have to be firm in your convictions and hold your ground with a valid justification if you are going to try using nullification awareness to weasel out of jury duty because the judge will press, and press until they either think you're a true believer of a valid reason, or are just trying to shirk your duty.

Hey, only God may judge us!

Apparently.

Also crooked courts, ostensibly.

That's why I added "and actually cared" :)

I agree, but that wasn't quite the point I was trying to make.

The moderator was on a moral superiority high-horse by suggesting that "only God may judge" a guy who served as the judge for other's lives through complacent inaction and encouraging policies that put personal gain over humanity.

The only way that argument wouldn't have been hypocritical is if he agreed that God was a cruel bastard, and I don't think that was the case.

Omnipotent, omnipresent, and benevolent, yes.

Or mods. They can't do that, either.

Put it in your bio.

I blocked that bot ages ago, is it still doing its annoying as all fuck thing or did they give up on it?

Still love the mods of news banned a bunch of people that were raising criticism of the shitty bot, and then the admins just ignoring it when asked about it.

_we're looking into it _

EU laws but very US focused modding hmmm

The lemmy.world terms of service are not exactly a work of clear legal craftmanship. I don't always think it's a bad thing to change the TOS to match this situation that just came up, so that we'll have a consistent policy written down that everyone's had time to look over. But it's clearly been thrown together by a bunch of amateurs who are, for some reason, cosplaying as a mini-Facebook with all the mode of speaking and fake professionalism that entails.

Read our Terms of Service carefully before using this website (“the website"). These Terms of Service ("the Terms of Service" or “the document”) govern your access to and use of the website. The website is available for your use only on the condition that you agree to the Terms of Service set forth above and below. If you do not agree with all of the Terms of Service, then do not access or use Lemmy.World. By accessing or using the website, you and the entity you are authorized to represent (“user” "you" or "your") signify your agreement to be bound by the Terms of Service.

That part sounds very lawyerly. Then the rest of the document is clearly a wiki that's been edited by a variety of volunteer admins as time goes on as different situations come up, with random pieces of general internet advice intermixed with what the rules of the site are, not clearly separated into which one is which.

Before using the website, remember you will be interacting with actual, real people and communities. Lemmy.World is not a place for you to attack other people or groups of people. Just because you disagree with someone doesn't give you the right to harass them. Discuss ideas and be critical of principles. Show the respect you desire to receive.

Everyone has a right to browse and interact with Lemmy.World and other federated instances free of harassment and/or threats of violence. Please try and be kind to your fellow human, or at least civil. Trolling users is only funny if both parties find it funny. Trolling mods and/or site admins is ill-advised.

Do not engage in content manipulation such as posting spam content, vote manipulation through using several user accounts or consistently down-voting a user. Vote for the content, not for the person.

Those are all good advice. Will I get banned for violating them? If I consistently downvote a user I don't like, or if I don't show the respect I desire to receive? Or if I'm trolling, and someone doesn't find it funny?

Do I just need to intuit that if I use multiple accounts to make fake downvotes, I'll be banned, but if I just consistently downvote another user when I see them, I won't be? The whole reason for having a TOS is so that users, and admins, won't need to intuit things like that.

Then there's this. Wait for the end, there's a punchline:

6. Violent Content

No visual content depicting executions, murder, suicide, dismemberment, visible innards, excessive gore, or charred bodies. No content depicting, promoting or enabling animal abuse. No erotic or otherwise suggestive media or text content featuring depictions of rape, sexual assault, or non-consensual violence. All other violent content should be tagged NSFW.

6.1 War Footage

Any graphic war footage taken by either private individuals or media outlets is prohibited. Exceptions may be made for photos and videos of historical significance.

6.2 Violent Content (Exceptions)

Depictions, imagery or otherwise ancient artwork in any form, other publicly available media entertainment content depicting gore or sexual content may be excluded and allowed, as long as they are fair use, in the public domain, or tolerated by the copyright owner, and in compliance with our Content Policy, as well as all applicable laws and their local laws. For example, films depicting war or historical reenactments.

Well, that seems perfectly clear. Any graphic war footage is prohibited, except war footage. That's allowed.

it sure as fuck ain't in it today, 5 dec 2024.

First TOS is Star Trek. Second TOS is Terms Of Service.

As of an hour or so ago, it's a bannable offense to misspell Palestinians.

Yes but they think that's a good thing

It's pretty dope to be part of a community that's pro piracy.

Just looked it over and immediately applied. Big fan of the vibe. Looking forward to adding my cultural and biological distinctness to your own.

How do you migrate? So sick of the libs of .world

Thanks. I'm going to check them both out.

I had been thinking about moving to dbzero for a while. Might see if I can move my data tomorrow!

I came back on my new account to help remind you.

Lemmy has an export / import function now

Don't you mean https://lemmy.sdf.org/ ?

and doesn't federate with lemmy.ml either, which is good considering that at this point it's basically lemmygrad lite and also has extreme power tripping.

Still managed by a single admin?

Hey I never met you irl. Maybe you could be a secret NSA agent. Who knows 🤷‍♂️

/jk 😅

Yeah, I've had that happen more on .ml than on .world before switching.

neo lib regime whore larpers =/= liberal

I’d urge you to look at the mod logs and note the amount of “rule 1” violations that the .ml mods remove on a daily basis that don’t violate a single rule 1.

And while you’re at it, go ahead and note how many .ml accounts post daily in communities on .world that are as anti-liberal as it can get that aren’t removed.

.world actually upholds the rules. And there’s proof of that in the mod logs.

Isn’t basically every Lemmy instance liberal though? At least I haven’t seen any conservative Lemmy instances yet.

Anything that is not illegal is legal.

I have been to jury duty multiple times AND I was never asked about it while under oath. It was discussed but explicitly not encouraged. Hell one time the judge made every one of us potential jurors in the room say nigger under oath with the penalty of perjury if you refused. Being in a room full of people squirming over that is something I will never forget. It was a murder case and the defense was trying to prove that word had power over us and can make people emotional.

*Not an admin, the user is a mod. Look at their account on their home instance and you'll see they aren't an admin.

Calling out bad behavior from mods is good but please don't spread misinformation, intentionally or not. As it hurts the credibility of the claims.

Same shit. Many .world mods have access to an automod to give them admin powers such as bans.

https://feddit.org/post/5411829/3500674 if that can help, but your comment covered it

And thus Reddit has truly found its replacement.

Reading this from lemm.ee right now! I'm also a big fan of https://sh.itjust.works/.

Discuss.Online is currently federated with hexbear.net, but there is an active petition to defederate from it.

https://lemm.ee/ is generalist, second biggest instance, cool admins, federated with almost everyone

try discussing that german regime is ran by nazi nepo babies and see how long you last on there...

You can block those on any instance.

Tbh Hexbear and Lemmygrad users aren't very toxic unless you go into their communities and post liberal cringe