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If You're Still Supporting Israel In 2025, There's Something Wrong With You As A Person

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by Caitlin Johnstone
Jul 18, 2025

It’s 2025. Israeli soldiers are telling the Israeli press that they’re being ordered to massacre starving civilians trying to obtain food from aid centers. Countless doctors have been telling the world that Israeli snipers are routinely, deliberately shooting children in the head and chest throughout the Gaza Strip. Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and all the leading genocide experts and human rights authorities are saying that a genocide is being perpetrated in Gaza. The New York fucking Times just published an op-ed by a Zionist genocide scholar who’s finally admitting that it’s a genocide.

There’s no way to deny what this is anymore. If you still support Israel in the year 2025, it’s not because you don’t believe Israel is committing horrific atrocities. It’s because you believe those horrific atrocities are good, and you want to see more of them.

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If You're Still Supporting Israel In 2025, There's Something Wrong With You As A Person

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Is it still auntiesemitic to say death to israel now
- There are millions of people who live in Israel who aren't on board with their government's slaughter of innocents. We should be talking about stopping them, sanctioning them even. But calling for death is no better than the people egging on their genocidal policies towards Palestinians.
  So, yes. It is 100% antisemitic to say "death to Israel". It's not antisemitic to say, "we must stop Israel and restore peace".
  
  They're not calling for more human deaths, they're calling for the death of the STATE of Israel. If a government is perpetuating genocide it is certainly reasonable to wish for the dismantling of that government entity.
  
  I mean sure, but they always had the option of using language that doesn't contain that ambiguity.
  
  Fuck your language, they've been slaughtering babies for two years. Death to the genocidal state, death to the IDF, death to apartheid. From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free!
  
  @skisnow is probably just trying to silence voices that they don't want heard, @3abas
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  And you "always had the option" of being culturally sensitive @skisnow
  I gather that "death to" comes about in translation to English from Arabic/Islamic cultures.
  A state or organisation is not alive. It can't "die". The "death" therefore must be figurative. "Death to America" is not the same as "Death to Americans", for example. "Death to Israel" and "Death to the IDF" are not calls to harm a living being.
  https://mondoweiss.net/2023/11/are-israelis-jews-returning-to-jewish-minority-life/
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  @palestine@a.gup.pe
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  “Death to America” is not the same as “Death to Americans”, for example
  And it's a terrible example, because it also has been used before now by supporters of terrorist attacks on US civilians.
  
  If you're determined to take offence @skisnow then I guess nobody can stop you.
  
  I'm not taking offense, I'm just saying that if you use inflammatory phrasing you can't turn around and surprised pikachu face when some people take it the "wrong" way.
  
  Maybe i don't care about the feelings of genociders. You don't waste time arguing with pedophiles about the virtue of raping kids.
  You use violence
  
  Such intolerance is much of the problem @skisnow
  Reacting within our narrow framework, neglecting to account for the vagaries of translation.
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  I'm on mastodon @skisnow
  Mastodon users can follow hashtags. Not using them is considered impolite.
  So is failing to add alt text to images.
  See? You've learned something. Your narrow framework is not the whole world.
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  LOL
  
  "Peace"
  77 years of "peaceful" extermination displacement and genocide
  
  You're not wrong, regardless of what ultimately happens the Palestinian people need to be protected but I stand by my initial statement.
  
  'millions' is BS
  The protesters just are against Netanyahu for internal selfish reasons.
  They don't give a fuck about Palestinians.
  Like the rat Sanders always talking specifically about 'the Netanyahu government' as the culprit.
  Creating the ilusion that after he's gone it will be a democracy again to be supported while they always have been murderous scum.
  And “death to Israel” is not antisemitic.
  The illegal state shouldn't exist, so it should definitely die.
  Conflating shitrael with all jews is OC the tired and obvious cheap hasbara trick. Nice try tho.
  DEATH TO ISRAEL!!
  
  Since when is Israel an ethnic group? What's antisemitic is implying the evils of Israel are racial traits. When I wish death on Israel, that doesn't mean the people with Israeli citizenship should be killed. It means Israel should be killed. They should lose that citizenship, because the state should stop existing. The people should continue existing, as Palestinians or, because a lot of them are white-supremacists with dual citizenships, they can chose to go to their second countries.
  
  If that ever happens watch millions of israeli leaving. Because in the end they cant live as equals. Similar to Algeria or Libya they will remove themselves from the colony.
  
  There are millions of people who live in Israel who aren’t on board with their government’s slaughter of innocents
  Nah the vaaaaaast majoirty of settlers are on board, hell even some of the denationalized palestinian residents of israel are. No millions but thousands at best.
  
  Millions of people? Where in Israel?. Death to Israel!!!

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