The Democrats' strategy

The democrats didn't do anything wrong! Who could have known doing nothing to help your constituents and also facilitating genocide is unpopular?

If only there was some historical precedent to tell us whether trying to be the "moderate, reasonable, competent republicans" will get republicans to vote for you or if it just lowers turnout.

Did not voting Democrat work?
- Pretty much everyone you are talking to voted Democrat. You know who didn't? People whose families were murdered by US munitions.
  
  You know who also didn't? The mythical anti-trump Republican voters who the Biden/Kamala campaign exclusively tried to win over.
  
  Maybe instead of getting mad at people calling out the Democrats losing strategy you should get mad at Republicans who are destroying everything and the feckless Democrats who learned nothing from this last election.
  
  Upvoted for feckless. I love that word in general, and it's perfect attached to Democrats.
  
  It’s a word with no proper opposite.
  
  Have you ever heard anyone use the word “feckfull”?
  
  Well, you just did. This being a conversation in English, feckfull is now cromulent.
  
  To my semi-surprise, 'feck' is a word.
  
  Statistically at least some of us here didn't, and that's extra true for Lemmy in general. Millions of people who voted for Biden in 2020 didn't show up in 2024. Trump's numbers hardly changed at all, but the former DNC voters stayed home in absolutely massive numbers.
  
  I'm sure some of them regret it, but depicting the only party that gives any fucks about them being hung by their necks is probably not the way to go about fixing this.
  
  There will be no 'fixing this'.
  
  Lol, you sound like you're on the MAGA's side.
  
  Yeah, my reply was too brief & misunderstandable, so let me 'splain.
  
  We need to stop deluding ourselves into thinking there's a political solution to what Trump, Musk, and the Republicans are doing. There's not.
  
  Most Americans have been thoroughly misinformed and won't care about the destruction of democracy until the repercussions smack them personally in the face, but by then the coup will be completed. Dems in Congress will not spontaneously evolve spines. I'm out there picketing, but only for my conscience and mental health, not because I imagine the fascists will hear us and yield. They won't.
  
  Politics as usual is finished in America. We will be left with whatever rights Trump & Musk decide we should have, which won't be much and won't be up for 'debate'. The current dismantling of America will lead to violence, which I neither want nor call for, and which I’m too old, weak, and generally chickenshit to participate in. The violence is going to happen, though, with the police, the military, and the un-regulated militia against we the people who hope for freedom, and we will lose. After that, reconstructing democracy in America will take generations of struggle and bloodshed.
  
  It's moot and silly to talk of 'fixing this' via elections or reforming the Democratic Party. That ship has sailed and sunk. America, 1776-2025, RIP.
  
  Lol I understood you the first time. You want to tear down the government. Just like MAGA.
Exhibit A. Congratulations!
- You can be critical of the democratic party and still have voted for them. You can think they have their heads so far up their ass that they are walking around inside out, and still have voted for them.
  
  Some of us hate the Democratic party in it's current state and want nothing more than to over turn it and "drain the swamp" but realize they are unfortunately the only safe option. That doesn't mean they don't need to change.
  
  Even if you didn't vote Democrat, you have every right to rip their proverbial heads off and shit down their proverbial necks.
  
  They are the opposition party... and they're doing nothing.
- Don't get me wrong, I supported and voted for the Democrats. But currently? They seem like a bunch of pussies letting the Republican party cuck them of our democratic nation because they're unwilling to be more ruthless. Uncivility and the breaking of precedent by the Republicans, should be met and pursued by with absolute cold efficiency and opportunism by the current Democratic party, in order to protect us, their constituents. They aren't doing that though, and seem to even be capitulating and bending the knee to Republicans.
  
  If there were like 87 Al Greens yelling during the SOTU address, getting thrown out, yelling things that everyone cares about like “you’re crashing the fucking economy you moron,” then maybe the dems would have earned a little respect. But no, they brought cute polite ping pong protest paddles.
  
  Don't get me wrong, I supported and voted for the Democrats. But currently? They seem like a bunch of pussies letting the Republican party cuck them of our democratic nation because they're unwilling to be more ruthless.
  
  Let's be clear here: they were like that before we voted for them, too. But we held our noses and did it anyway, because -- unlike the "genocide Joe" concern trolls -- we both understood what was at stake and weren't covertly supporting it.
  
  unlike the "genocide Joe" concern trolls -- we both understood what was at stake and weren't covertly supporting it.
  
  That is a major accusation, you think I covertly support a genocide?
  
  What the fuck are you smoking?
  
  Why the hell would I want mass amounts of innocent people to get slaughtered?
  
  Provide evidence of your accusation or stop making it immediately and indefinitely until you find actual evidence. I consider someone casually representing my position or others with similar views as being pro-genocide as a serious, reportable behavior on lemmy. Especially since it has become a pattern.
  
  I do not condone genocide, of anybody, period.
  
  If you weren't telling people not to vote for Harris, I wasn't talking about you.
  
  Otherwise, if you were telling people to vote third-party or not at all even though you damn well knew it would result in Trump, then yeah, you supported genocide! You refused to minimize harm and that makes you guilty, end of. Go fucking report yourself instead of getting butthurt at me for confronting you with the truth of your evil.
- Yes, anyone who has a problem with the Dems is automatically the bad guy. Democrats are perfect and never deserve criticism even from people who voted for them every damn year
  
  Who said that? I said the people and non protest voters are hanging themselves. Nice strawman!
- The only way the democrats could have won is if they changed direction. Nothing I did could have made Harris promising to build the wall popular.

I have a criticism of the DNC platform. What’s your Party Approved way for me to submit the complaint to you, Your Righteousness? Or is all criticism WongThink™?

We did the right thing by abstaining. We sent a message to the Democrats. We cost them the win, and they took genocide off the party platform. In fact, Kamala Harris is starting a movement to impeach Donald Trump. We did it!
- That’s not an answer. You fuckheads show up whenever there is even a slight effort to effect change. I assume you don’t think every single thing the DNC does is correct. What’s the Party Approved way to suggest even the slightest modification to our dear leader’s perfection?
  
  Edit: upon reflection, I literally can’t tell if you are being sarcastic. That’s what this forum has come to. Are you for real?
  
  They're a liberal doing a piss-poor satire of a communist.
  
  They aren't doing a satire of a communist specifically, just a generic lefty activist protest voter. Not all of those are communists, and not all communists are protest voters/non-voters.
  
  Their name is LeninsOvaries.
  
  For real, why do these losers keep showing up and repeating the same lame bitter jabs at imagined characters? It is sad and lame.
  
  They catastrophically ignored a massive red flag, shouted down leftists for trying to point out said red flag and then spend their time now in the middle of a coup commenting with acidic poorly written sarcastic immitations of leftists in order to cope with losing and being crushingly wrong.
  
  Do something you lame ass centrists. Admit you fucked up or shut up, admit you were wrong or leave the conversation, because ALL you are accomplishing now is to make nobody like you.
  
  Totally for real, and the reason for the comment you were originally reacting to.
- You need a /s

Yeah, the democrats are hanging everyone who did what they should by being spineless dweebs

Nope! We're only 7 weeks into Trump's presidency. Got another 3 years, 10 months, and 1 week of reminding protest non voters what they voted for.

Who do you expect them to vote for when the outcome is the same regardless?

After the past seven weeks you can't be serious. Nazi USA sending people to concentration camps, making being trans illegal, freezing all foreign aid, putting an unelected billionaire in charge of dismantling government programs so billionaires can get even more tax breaks, and sending the economy into a huge recession, while supporting the complete genocide of Palestine and leaving Ukraine to Russia == tepid support for Israel's genocide and none of the rest of those things.

Those are the same regardless. Do you hear yourself?
- Those are the same regardless. Do you hear yourself?
  
  Yes. I see no difference between perpetrating it and letting it happen, which is what the Democrats do. To any reasonable observer they're all collaborators.
  
  Oh wait, no. They ARE doing something. They're whining to you for saying mean things about them and making light of the fact that they're doing nothing to stop this.
  
  Single issue person huh? You sound like those braindead anti abortion people who would vote for the guy who wanted to eliminate SNAP when that's how they feed their kids... because he says he's a Christian or whatever.
  
  It's disgusting what's happening in Palestine. Fuck the Democrats, and fuck the entire nation of Israel. Trump is offering the worst possible outcome for the Palestinians though. Damn, look around, you've got blinders on.
  
  It's the old LIHOP vs MIHOP.

People on here would rather blame the Dems than admit they got duped by propaganda into supporting fascism.

I didn’t get duped. I voted blue no matter who just like I always have.

And I still think the Dems are spineless, feckless nerds who couldn’t oppose a blind kitten with leukemia.
- I didn’t get duped. I voted blue
  
  I mean...
  
  jk, seems you know what you'd be getting
You all get that there are still a lot of elected Democrats right? I know the Democratic party has operated for the last 20 years as if the presidency is the literal only thing they need to bother to run for, but there are actual elected officials that we expect to Serve the People. Which I know is a shocker to you liberals because anything that's not serving solely the interest of the bankers is probably upsetting to you.
- There it is. See that "you liberals" part?
  
  Now ask them where they live.