8mo ago

Why there is so much communist propaganda on lemmy?

Even from people that never lived in a communist state

edit: im 17 and i hate communism

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I've lived all my life under capitalism and I hate it.
I've read Marx, (for real, grab the book and read it!) and I see the dude does have a point.
- The Communist Manifesto
  The language can be a bit tough to understand these days though so might want to read Ted Reese's Socialism Or Extinction instead
  
  I'd recommend Chris Harman's How Marxism Works for an intro, or Engels' Principles of Communism. The Manifesto is more of a call to action for Workers than an overview of Communism, though it's still an important work nonetheless.
- How someone can downvote two subjective statements of opinion (hates capitalism, sees a point in a book) is beyond me. There's nothing to downvote here. It's an opinion, not a statement of fact that is incorrect.
  People misuse downvotes.
  
  That's an easy question to answer. People often downvote comments that waste their time. Opinions that have no basis, or that are based on bad definitions or falsehoods, those tend to get downvoted. Because there's nothing to learn and nothing to discuss.
  
  My approach is to only downvote factual inaccuracies or extremely terrible takes. I know that's not for everyone, but I wish it was.
- I thought the same many years ago, until I saw how it went for every single country that implemented communism and then I didnt like it so much. You all seriously think is a coincidence?
  
  Not really surprising, it’s complicated to make progress when every world power has it out for you.
  
  You gotta look the context and learn about geopolitics. If Communism is so bad why the USA need to keep interfering with Cuba?
  Lets compare Cuba with other Caribbean islands, how they perform against those? Remember they are blocked by the strongest country in the world.
  Cuba developed its own covid vaccine, cuba sends doctors to africa in order to help people there, when Italia was in a health crisis Cuba sent thousands of doctors.
  Cuba has the most advanced and inclusive family laws in the world.
  Edit: btw Awesome album and Lemmy was an Anarchist.
  
  First than anything, great taste in music my dude. Ok, fair point, these countries have it hard because of economic sanctions, but that doesn't explain why they all devolve into a tyrannical, corrupt and repressive systems where people are forced to stay and a great majority seems to want to leave. People just don't have free will and freedom of speech in these places. Is not a coincidence, its by design, communism is intentionally "the dictatorship of the working class".
  And don't get me wrong, I dislike very much the unregulated capitalistic system of the USA too, yet a lot of people in the world seem to want to live there instead of any communist country. If I those were my only options, I would hate it, but I would choose the same.
  
  I don’t blame the chef when I can’t understand the recipe. I learn what the ingredients are.
- I strongly recommend you to read Animal Farm, it's very easy to understand
  
  You mean Orwell's classic anti-capitalist novel wherein a worker's rebellion against tyrannical bosses is betrayed by capitalist pigs who re-create the farm's original conditions for their own profit?
  You should read his "Homage to Catalonia", Orwell fought against capitalists in Spain's civil war and wrote a book about his experiences there.
  
  oh you are 17. When I was 17 I also was just like you.
  
  Also disliked communism?
  
  When I was 17? Hell yeah, with the information I had back then.
  I was super conservative lol.
  
  I’ve read it.
  Orwell was socialist my dude.
  Ever read one of his other books Down and Out in Paris and London?
  It helps explain why he is a socialist.
  
  I recommend actually reading Marx and Lenin, and not fictitious allegories about strawmen
  
  allegories are much better at explaining theories, you guys always say that it was never actually implemented. And I'm not gonna read something from a man who occupied my country in 1921
  
  Allegories can help explain theories, but they are never sufficient to understand it. Animal Farm is an allegory of a strawman, it barely touches reality. And it’s no wonder you are that embedded in propaganda, it’s normal.
  
  I did and it is stupid propaganda.
  
  I recommend you learn from real books about real life like those of Marx and Lenin, not fiction.

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